Steve Harvey takes an L (along with most of you people)

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I don't even see why you would try the "tahts tha old testament" excuse.

It's the OT, but it is the words of your god, right? Or did an all-knowing being change his moral standards at some point?

If he "researches" he'll see that the New Testament doesn't in fact invalidate the entire Old Testament. All there is are a few examples in which something in the New Testament expands upon or changes a specific rule/law of the Old Testament.

 

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the set of rules changed. like i said, the OT, which christians are no doubt SUPPOSED to read, (i mean, it is in the bible!) shows us how God worked thru his set of rules. he saw mankind was not worthy of his grace and sent jesus to save us which is where the new testament starts. JESUS' teachings changed things up a bit, this is why the jews wanted him crucified and called him a blasphemer otherwise jews and christians would be the same religion.

jus like u said wit science, u believe what u believe until u get new evidence and proof that says otherwise. if ur government tells u this is the law u must obey it, then changes the law tomorrow u have to obey that new law. the OT was the only set of laws til jesus came with his new teachings. and it is still the same God in the OT and the NT.

again the OT did have diff rules, it was the same God tho, and it gave us a background to everything such as the beginning of existence, origin of mankind, etc. and even tho the laws are different, we still learn how to follow God thru the old testament thru all the different books. tells stories about diff people, how they lived their life and how their actions effected them later on in life.

they said men of God in the bible had different wives or slept with diff women...yes they did, but there were consequences to those actions. the bible wont sit there and hide it to make it seem like followers of God are perfect....cuz we are FARRRR from it....but if u really tryna read it, u will see how those same sins came back on them. u reap what u sow

 

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If he "researches" he'll see that the New Testament doesn't in fact invalidate the entire Old Testament. All there is are a few examples in which something in the New Testament expands upon or changes a specific rule/law of the Old Testament.

exactly my point. im not sayin the OT is invalid. it is part of our religion. i never said it wasnt.

 

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dog, you quoted "thou shalt not kill" from the old testament

then i quoted "kill lots of people" from the same OT and you said "that dont count, its the OT"

bruh.... bruh....

 

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exactly my point. im not sayin the OT is invalid. it is part of our religion. i never said it wasnt.

Then, do you know where the Old Testament rules/laws KTULU posted are specifically addressed and invalidated in the New Testament?

 

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Then how do you understand it enough to assert that it's true?

gotta have that faith my ninja. if u dont got it then u dont believe it. and u dont got it...........so u dont believe it. u cant marry a woman if u have no faith in her abilities to fulfill her required promises to u right? how do u know she will be faithful and be there for better for worse? u dont, all u got is ur faith. u use it daily in life yet u look at christians like theyre crazy

 

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dog, you quoted "thou shalt not kill" from the old testament

then i quoted "kill lots of people" from the same OT and you said "that dont count, its the OT"

bruh.... bruh....

my dude i didnt say the whole OT is invalid....u n fiat be sayin that maybe i came off the wrong way. the OT isnt invalid at all...just sume of the rules r changed. thou shall not kill is still in effect. jesus never said...alright yall can start merkin niggas did he?

 

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Then, do you know where the Old Testament rules/laws KTULU posted are specifically addressed and invalidated in the New Testament?

fa sho...heres his verses he put up:

Originally Posted by KTULU IS BACK View Post
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

now this is what invalidates them..........

You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. Matthew 5:38–39

n for the record an evildoer is also considered any1 who claims the word of God is false obviously because an evildoer is anyone who does not follow or believe in God. so i believe sir, that takes care of all dem joints very conveniently for the both of us

 

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gotta have that faith my ninja. if u dont got it then u dont believe it. and u dont got it...........so u dont believe it. u cant marry a woman if u have no faith in her abilities to fulfill her required promises to u right? how do u know she will be faithful and be there for better for worse? u dont, all u got is ur faith. u use it daily in life yet u look at christians like theyre crazy

Such a scenario would imply that I trust humans or that I have some kind of "faith" in humans.

"Basically, my explanation is that something unexplainable happened, and no one can ever understand it. However, I'm still asserting that my unexplainable explanation is 100% true, despite conflicting evidence. Because of faith."

 

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Such a scenario would imply that I trust humans or that I have some kind of "faith" in humans.

"Basically, my explanation is that something unexplainable happened, and no one can ever understand it. However, I'm still asserting that my unexplainable explanation is 100% true, despite conflicting evidence. Because of faith."

i see what u sayin but christianity is more than just pickin up da bible n readin it n sittin it back down til the next time u get interested. ur supposed to live the way the bible tells u so and if u are a hunned percent true to it God has promises he will fulfill for us even thru hard times BUT u must keep ur faith. not just in the message in the bible, but in GOD in ur daily life. this is why christians arent so hung up on facts n logic n evidence n such although we do question it sumtimes. theres shit im not too sure of myself but all that means is i need to try harder to learn til i find the answer who am i to expect i can have all the answers? im not gon try n act like i do

 

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fa sho...heres his verses he put up:

Originally Posted by KTULU IS BACK View Post
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

now this is what invalidates them..........

You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. Matthew 5:38–39

n for the record an evildoer is also considered any1 who claims the word of God is false obviously because an evildoer is anyone who does not follow or believe in God. so i believe sir, that takes care of all dem joints very conveniently for the both of us

The invalidation of the underlined Babylonian law only applies to the underlined Babylonian law. So if it's not a law/rule about equivalent revenge/retaliation/compensation for a misdeed, the invalidation doesn't apply. None of the passages KTULU posted mention any form of equivalent retaliation/compensation for a misdeed, therefore Matthew 5:38-39 does nothing to invalidate them.

 

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i see what u sayin but christianity is more than just pickin up da bible n readin it n sittin it back down til the next time u get interested. ur supposed to live the way the bible tells u so and if u are a hunned percent true to it God has promises he will fulfill for us even thru hard times BUT u must keep ur faith. not just in the message in the bible, but in GOD in ur daily life. this is why christians arent so hung up on facts n logic n evidence n such although we do question it sumtimes. theres shit im not too sure of myself but all that means is i need to try harder to learn til i find the answer who am i to expect i can have all the answers? im not gon try n act like i do

Such is the foundation of religion's opening argument:

 

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The invalidation of the underlined Babylonian law only applies to the underlined Babylonian law. So if it's not a law/rule about equivalent revenge/retaliation/compensation for a misdeed, the invalidation doesn't apply. None of the passages KTULU posted mention any form of equivalent retaliation/compensation for a misdeed, therefore Matthew 5:38-39 does nothing to invalidate them.

nah da whole freakin point is they were taught do unto others as they've done to u but jesus sayin do unto others as you would have them do to u. love thy neighbor n all that. therefore, if ya mans hittin up ur wifey u cant kill em, u actually have to forgive him. ya dig?

 

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Such is the foundation of religion's opening argument:

u wouldnt know if u dont live it. cant tell u nothin more than that. if u not tryna live it......well i guess thats ur argument then. shruggin my shoulders now...

 

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nah da whole freakin point is they were taught do unto others as they've done to u but jesus sayin do unto others as you would have them do to u. love thy neighbor n all that. therefore, if ya mans hittin up ur wifey u cant kill em, u actually have to forgive him. ya dig?

Then why post Matthew 5:37-38 at all? Why not post a verse where Jesus says something to the effect of "The punishment for adultery is no longer to be death.". The "Golden Rule" angle doesn't apply here either, as the "others" in this case (the adulterers) are the ones who have already done something "wrong".

From the same chapter:
“17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." - Matthew 5:17-18

 

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Then why post Matthew 5:37-38 at all? Why not post a verse where Jesus says something to the effect of "The punishment for adultery is no longer to be death.". The "Golden Rule" angle doesn't apply here either, as the "others" in this case (the adulterers) are the ones who have already done something "wrong".

From the same chapter:
“17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." - Matthew 5:17-18

click.....
http://www.rationalchristianity.net/abolish_law.html

and there is no verse where jesus specifically says the punishment for adultery is no longer to be death. u gotta use ur brain, the same logic u tell christians to use. yall need shit to be so specific u need it spelled out for u when its right there in front of u.

 

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christians still think being gay is a sin, right?

but theres no mention of that in the NT.

the rules about gays are in the OT.

right?

 

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but you know what, here's the important point:

its easy to find all those verses where God says "kill all these people, kill their children, and then kill these people, and then stone these other people to death, and then kill...."

Christians believe that Jesus is God. The same God that gave those disgusting commands.

You're cool with worshiping a sick fuck like that? For real?

 

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christians still think being gay is a sin, right?

but theres no mention of that in the NT.

the rules about gays are in the OT.

right?

click...................
http://bible-truths.com/homosex.htm

 

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click.....
http://www.rationalchristianity.net/abolish_law.html

and there is no verse where jesus specifically says the punishment for adultery is no longer to be death. u gotta use ur brain, the same logic u tell christians to use. yall need shit to be so specific u need it spelled out for u when its right there in front of u.

Exactly. Additionally, nowhere on the linked page does it say the punishments for breaking the laws/rules of the Old Testament (in this case, adultery) are no longer valid. And since the laws/rules of the Old Testament are acknowledged in the New Testament (such as how Jesus acknowledges adultery on multiple occasions), the mere existence of the New Testament doesn't abolish the laws/rules of the Old Testament.

So, using one's brain, it is quite easy to conclude that things written as "true" in the Christian bible--that are neither challenged nor refuted in the Christian bible--would still be considered "true" in the Christian bible.