Steve Harvey takes an L (along with most of you people)

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Well what made me lose my faith was just a realization that:

1. I only believed in god because i was raised that way and social pressures.

2. And when i went off to college, the evidence that god didn't exist became way more apparent. Ive always been naturally skeptical, but admittedly was to influenced to try and look for logical answers to my questions about theology. Or I was too ignorant to postulate a question whose answer would satisfy my curiosity.

College (or really just leaving your folks house) is often time when most people renounce their faith because you no longer have parental influence/pressure to believe.

But that's really just how i came to be an atheist. With some people, tragedy is a huge motivator (if a god exists, why'd he allow this? which despite what xtians may say is a very good question). Or disillusionment with the church. It really varies from person to person.

Really, I equate losing faith as "waking up from the Matrix". The clues that shit isn't what it seems, that your being lied to and used are there, its just a matter of realizing it and choosing to face reality.

And as for what would it take for me to think a diety exists? Good question, because pretty much any impossible thing that could be done, I might just attribute it to "impossible shit being done" rather than saying "holy crap...A GOD EXISTS!!".

Calling something a god is a tall order because your saying that this being is worthy of worship and devotion. And really even if a being did create me and all of creation, does that entitle it to devotion, especially considering no one asked to be created?

About 11-12 years ago I did a song that I'm thinking about remaking called "Didn't ask to be here". It was basically an analysis of the worldly bullshit that we bring new life into then expect them to be ok w/ it once they are here. Many children are born into and raised in situations that make death seem like a vacation in the Bahamas. The bolded comes to mind when I think back on that song because I've asked the same question myself. For arguments sake, let's say that there is irrefutable evidence that God does exist. Given the world that we live in, all of it's painful imperfections and it's volatile history....why worship a being that either directly or indirectly promotes and allows for such a violent & chaotic existence......all in his/her name? How does one's followers rationalize this in their own minds? Is bad stuff really ok just because it's the will of a higher diety? Nothing in the history of mankind has been so divisive and overrun w/ violence and death as a room full of individuals w/ differing religious beliefs. Even believers of the same faith fight over their own individual interpretations of the same book. You don't have to be a scientist or a well versed theologean to realize that there are pieces missing to both sides of the argument....some more than others IMO. Even the Geico caveman can understand that. The problem is and will always be arrogant, misinformed, overzealous, extremist who wish to spread their brand of belief to the world by any means necessary. There is only 1 thing that is fact and that is that no one will truly know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, the answer until it's too late.

Pac - I'm probably wrong but I'll never know it til' I'm gone.

 

[thedesolateone]

this thread is bout to go platinum

 

[Nut Did N' Cider]

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Nice rebuttal

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

...GREAT Thread...a good healthy debate...good points on both sides...

didn't see any good points from the pro-superstition side

 

[fiat_money]

didn't see any good points from the pro-superstition side

Maybe it's a reference to the primary creationist argument of "Although evolution is an observable biological process, since the complete methodology of every form of biological evolution that occurred in the past is not yet known; it's obvious that some form of magical being is the creator of all organisms.".

Wait--that's not a good argument.

Damn.

 

[glowy]

More proof of evolution.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/science/10cnd-evolve.html

 

[Go figure...]

Best shit Said in this Thread.....

how so?

thats like sayin, if i came from my mother why i still got my mother??

i understand ppl have chosen their side before they come in this forum....but seriously........

...............naw seriously

 

[fiat_money]

how so?

thats like sayin, if i came from my mother why i still got my mother??

i understand ppl have chosen their side before they come in this forum....but seriously........

...............naw seriously

That kind of sums up the foolishness of the "If we came from monkeys, why we still got monkeys?" argument.

Excluding the fact that "monkeys" is being used incorrectly.

 

[Go figure...]

ok, so scientists have been able to gather data and images n all that from places of the universe lightyears away from where we at right now. as much as they have seen, all da diff planets n black holes n other galaxies n crazy shit happenin out there, there is only ONE place (EARTH) that holds life. the earth was made perfect so that humans can live and breathe. no other planet, not even the moon, is a place where ANY living thing can walk on and find food, water, and basically survive. not ONE other place other than the earth we live on. while u on ur computer or goin to school or work theres fuckin black holes suckin up matter, stars explodin and comets clashin sumwhere out there this very moment, yet we're the only motherfuckers out here wit internet and buildings and government and life and death and debates about a higher being.

u tellin me this earth was made so perfect as to create an atmosphere for life that no other place in existence can create, where nature works so perfectly to keep things in rotation between humans, animals, creatures and insects, where you and I have a conscience, and a brain, the ability to tell right from wrong, where the rest of infinite existence has nothing close to this....and u claim it is all chance? that this shit just happened by accident? that the universe created itself, then created the solar system, then created a perfect earth which created human beings with consciences and minds and brains???????

fuck all the talk and past discussions, really ask urself and really think about this shit, u tellin me out of all the infinite space out there with no other signs of life in trillions of lightyears of sight, we just formed for no reason just because?

i mean, u might think what u wanna think about christians' God, muslims' God, and any other god in every other religion, but throw all that out the window for a minute, the arguments atheists make, the arguments diff sects of same religions make, the arguments everyone makes, the shit u dont agree wit n think.....u REALLY think there isnt SOME kind of higher power that created us in the midst of all that shit out there????????????

u dont believe in God, but u believe in random unseen forces causing changes by itself whenever it so chooses. yall contradictin urself

 

[blackrain]

how so?

thats like sayin, if i came from my mother why i still got my mother??

i understand ppl have chosen their side before they come in this forum....but seriously........

...............naw seriously

because it's the simplest answer to that dumb ass statement steve harvey made...

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

ok, so scientists have been able to gather data and images n all that from places of the universe lightyears away from where we at right now. as much as they have seen, all da diff planets n black holes n other galaxies n crazy shit happenin out there, there is only ONE place (EARTH) that holds life.

stopped reading here

you're clearly pretty uninformed about the state of modern astronomy

it's very hard just to SEE planets in other star systems, let alone see if life is growing on them

ya big dummy

like we already discussed in this thread, there are BILLIONS of worlds out there that we haven't seen and might never be able to

but simply because of the commonplace nature of the materials needed for life, it is a high statistical probability that there are millions and millions of planets out there harboring life, some of it being intelligent

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

u tellin me this earth was made so perfect as to create an atmosphere for life that no other place in existence can create, where nature works so perfectly to keep things in rotation between humans, animals, creatures and insects,

lol at this part tho

99% of all the species that have EVER existed on this planet are already EXTINCT

yeah, good job there god

a 99% failure rate

Woo. Swag.

 

[Go figure...]

lol at this part tho

99% of all the species that have EVER existed on this planet are already EXTINCT

yeah, good job there god

a 99% failure rate

Woo. Swag.

lol, what other place has species? we've been tryin to find other forms of life for how long now?? we've gathered information from space from how far away? still nothing??

all that studyin n all those books will make u smart, still wont give u common sense tho

 

[fiat_money]

Back to square one I see:

Ether, in its purest form.

 

[Go figure...]

stopped reading here

you're clearly pretty uninformed about the state of modern astronomy

it's very hard just to SEE planets in other star systems, let alone see if life is growing on them

ya big dummy

like we already discussed in this thread, there are BILLIONS of worlds out there that we haven't seen and might never be able to

but simply because of the commonplace nature of the materials needed for life, it is a high statistical probability that there are millions and millions of planets out there harboring life, some of it being intelligent

@ the bolded.....that dont mean shittttttt.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

we've been tryin to find other forms of life for how long now??

okay, answer this question for me please: How long do you think we have had the technology to be able to examine extrasolar planets close enough to determine whether they might have life on them?

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

@ the bolded.....that dont mean shittttttt.

ah, so you're uninformed about math as well. fascinating. i thought chicago had decent schools.

 

[Go figure...]

stopped reading here

you're clearly pretty uninformed about the state of modern astronomy

it's very hard just to SEE planets in other star systems, let alone see if life is growing on them

ya big dummy

like we already discussed in this thread, there are BILLIONS of worlds out there that we haven't seen and might never be able to

but simply because of the commonplace nature of the materials needed for life, it is a high statistical probability that there are millions and millions of planets out there harboring life, some of it being intelligent

@ bolded, right but we can tell whats on those planets cant we? the type of weather, the type of terrain, the size and dimensions? temperatures????????? so what r u really sayin

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

@ bolded, right but we can tell whats on those planets cant we? the type of weather, the type of terrain, the size and dimensions? temperatures????????? so what r u really sayin

lemme axe you sumpin: have you ever seen a photograph of an extrasolar planet?

do you understand where the technology is right now?

we couldn't even get pictures of the other planets in our own solar system until the 1960's and you want science to just give up after only 50 years and say that "IT MUST BE MAGIC SUPER JEW WIZARDRY"

 

[Go figure...]

ah, so you're uninformed about math as well. fascinating. i thought chicago had decent schools.

nah chicago public school system is horrible where the fuck u hear that from.