Spinoff: For The 10 Thousandth Time...The "African American" vs "Black American" Thread...

[mryounggun]

I'll feel better about dropping 'African-American' when this country affords everybody the same rights and privileges. And why is it that I've never heard anyone call for any other ethnic group to let go of their heritage like that? My mom spent most of her young adult life in NY so I used to spend summers there with Granny. Never heard anyone tell the Italian-American cats, 'Fam, you ain't never been to Italy. Your great, great grandparents came over here 80 years ago. Cut it out. You're American.

And they don't even identify as 'Italian-American'. If you ask, they'll tell you 'I'm Italian'.

Until they go to Italy and Italians say to them, 'Your not Italian, your AMERICAN. Your mannerisms are American, you walk American, etc etc.' I think when we all realize that we are all Americans and we drop the 'pre ethnicity' role call, shit will make much more sense

Yeah, we're all American. But this country was founded on certain principals that don't usually apply to people of color. I'm so not one of the Al Sharpton niggas who always looking for a mountain top to scream 'Black power' from. But should I identify myself as American first, if the very principals that this country was founded on don't apply to people who look like me? Should forget that my lineage goes back to West Africa and pledge myself fully to a place where I can't walk down the street without being stopped, handcuffed and searched?

Nah, I'm good.

African American works fine for me. Black, as well. 'Black American'? Lol. Nah.

Bruh I understand what your saying. I never said forget your lineage. Plus in most countries around the world you can walk around without being stopped, handcuffed, and searched. All I'm saying is, your American. If you get a passport, it says American not African American and I think more Americans should realize that we're all one regardless of our fucked up backgrounds. Every country has its downfalls. I'm typing this from China right now. I went out to a bar with a few Kenyans and even Chinese people knew right away that I was American. I'm just saying bruh, America is ours to claim just like everyone else's

And I get what you're saying. I just don't agree with you. That's ok, son. We ain't gotta agree. What part of China you in? I was there a couple years back hanging with a bunch of cats from around the world. Shit was like the United Nations at the bar and shit. Lol.

 

[A1000MILES]

^^^ You are an immigrant...Americans are not...Do you see the difference...?

the man said the point of immigration was to become american

don't just read my reply read what he said then read my reply

No...You came here for that specific reason...Ery black person that ever came here did not...Some did come to assimilate...Some came to marry...Some came to study...Some had no choice, like me...Point is, an immigrant is not the same as someone who has generations of family here on both sides...You usually won't have the same mentality or upbringing...

 

[bkkbully]

^^^ You are an immigrant...Americans are not...Do you see the difference...?

the man said the point of immigration was to become american

don't just read my reply read what he said then read my reply

Yes, exactly. There are several benefits to holding an American passport. I'm sure you know already. But I'm confused as if your a US citizen or just a non-US citizen working in America. Obviously there are drastically different viewpoints

 

[bkkbully]

I'll feel better about dropping 'African-American' when this country affords everybody the same rights and privileges. And why is it that I've never heard anyone call for any other ethnic group to let go of their heritage like that? My mom spent most of her young adult life in NY so I used to spend summers there with Granny. Never heard anyone tell the Italian-American cats, 'Fam, you ain't never been to Italy. Your great, great grandparents came over here 80 years ago. Cut it out. You're American.

And they don't even identify as 'Italian-American'. If you ask, they'll tell you 'I'm Italian'.

Until they go to Italy and Italians say to them, 'Your not Italian, your AMERICAN. Your mannerisms are American, you walk American, etc etc.' I think when we all realize that we are all Americans and we drop the 'pre ethnicity' role call, shit will make much more sense

Yeah, we're all American. But this country was founded on certain principals that don't usually apply to people of color. I'm so not one of the Al Sharpton niggas who always looking for a mountain top to scream 'Black power' from. But should I identify myself as American first, if the very principals that this country was founded on don't apply to people who look like me? Should forget that my lineage goes back to West Africa and pledge myself fully to a place where I can't walk down the street without being stopped, handcuffed and searched?

Nah, I'm good.

African American works fine for me. Black, as well. 'Black American'? Lol. Nah.

Bruh I understand what your saying. I never said forget your lineage. Plus in most countries around the world you can walk around without being stopped, handcuffed, and searched. All I'm saying is, your American. If you get a passport, it says American not African American and I think more Americans should realize that we're all one regardless of our fucked up backgrounds. Every country has its downfalls. I'm typing this from China right now. I went out to a bar with a few Kenyans and even Chinese people knew right away that I was American. I'm just saying bruh, America is ours to claim just like everyone else's

And I get what you're saying. I just don't agree with you. That's ok, son. We ain't gotta agree. What part of China you in? I was there a couple years back hanging with a bunch of cats from around the world. Shit was like the United Nations at the bar and shit. Lol.

lol real shit! All good fam. Right now I'm in Shanghai. Was in Hangzhou for a few days and was in Hong Kong a week before.

 

[fuc_i_look_like]

lol this nigga said Blacks should be "proud" to be American

 

[zombie]

I'd rather just be called American. Fuck the 'African American' part. 'Cause when you go to Africa you will realize how American you really are. So unless your a fresh African immigrating to America, I don't see the sense in calling us 'African American' anymore. The same with any racial group in America. The whole point is to immigrate to become American.

i did not come to this country to become american i came here to get money, americans got this shit confused people do not come here to be american we come here to get money.

It doesn't matter though. America = MONEY. Why you think people spend their lives trying to get to the US? Because of the $$$ and opportunities. You ain't different from no one my nigga. We all know this shit. Once you immigrate, you become AMERICAN. Unless your company sponsored you a work permit and you have the same passport as your mother country

I am not american no matter what my passport says, passports and documents do not define what a person is. If i lost those documents what would i be? a black male. if i immigrate to china and get a passport would i be chinese ? your identify is more than just your nationality. NATIONALITY is the least part of what you are.

and loyalty to the nation state is an out dated concept

 

[A1000MILES]

Why the fuck not?...Blacks damn built this country...You should take pride in the fact that your ancestors' made you equal to the British/French/etc white people who brought them here...It's not like America is just paradise for blacks but if you from here why should you have to feel any less than American?...Why do you need to be classified a step further?

lol this nigga said Blacks should be "proud" to be American

 

[BIGG WILL]

I'll feel better about dropping 'African-American' when this country affords everybody the same rights and privileges. And why is it that I've never heard anyone call for any other ethnic group to let go of their heritage like that? My mom spent most of her young adult life in NY so I used to spend summers there with Granny. Never heard anyone tell the Italian-American cats, 'Fam, you ain't never been to Italy. Your great, great grandparents came over here 80 years ago. Cut it out. You're American.

And they don't even identify as 'Italian-American'. If you ask, they'll tell you 'I'm Italian'.

This is it. Goated.

 

[BIGG WILL]

Yall telling me we have 'black" folks not wanting to be called African-American, but will call each other Nigga all day and night?

lol, come on son....

 

[bkkbully]

I'd rather just be called American. Fuck the 'African American' part. 'Cause when you go to Africa you will realize how American you really are. So unless your a fresh African immigrating to America, I don't see the sense in calling us 'African American' anymore. The same with any racial group in America. The whole point is to immigrate to become American.

i did not come to this country to become american i came here to get money, americans got this shit confused people do not come here to be american we come here to get money.

It doesn't matter though. America = MONEY. Why you think people spend their lives trying to get to the US? Because of the $$$ and opportunities. You ain't different from no one my nigga. We all know this shit. Once you immigrate, you become AMERICAN. Unless your company sponsored you a work permit and you have the same passport as your mother country

I am not american no matter what my passport says, passports and documents do not define what a person is. If i lost those documents what would i be? a black male. if i immigrate to china and get a passport would i be chinese ? your identify is more than just your nationality. NATIONALITY is the least part of what you are.

and loyalty to the nation state is an out dated concept

Lol, yes nigga thats exactly what I'm saying. If you lost those documents you just go to an Embassy/Consulate and get another set of documents. Your still American. If you immigrate to China and you get a Chinese passport your ass would be CHINESE. I actually know a lot of people who are (were) Western and immigrated to Asian countries and now they are 'name your Asian nationality'. This isn't about loyalty to the state, its just about international law fam...

 

[zombie]

^^^ You are an immigrant...Americans are not...Do you see the difference...?

the man said the point of immigration was to become american

don't just read my reply read what he said then read my reply

No...You came here for that specific reason...Ery black person that ever came here did not...Some did come to assimilate...Some came to marry...Some came to study...Some had no choice, like me...Point is, an immigrant is not the same as someone who has generations of family here on both sides...You usually won't have the same mentality or upbringing...

Most immigrants came here for a better life and nothing more i would have went to the uk if i thought it would have been better, there was nothing about america that made it more special other than they were the ones who took me. assimilation is the last thing in the back of an immigrants mind Lol you think a border jumper gives a rats ass about being american?

people marry ameicans to get citizenship so that they can have more opportunities or for love. being an american was not their focus. the problem with america is that it is not a real identity it's only a nationality and that is why there is hypenated america.

 

[bkkbully]

Yall telling me we have 'black" folks not wanting to be called African-American, but will call each other Nigga all day and night?

lol, come on son....

Lol completely missing the point bruh...

 

[fuc_i_look_like]

Why the fuck not?...Blacks damn built this country...You should take pride in the fact that your ancestors' made you equal to the British/French/etc white people who brought them here...It's not like America is just paradise for blacks but if you from here why should you have to feel any less than American?...Why do you need to be classified a step further?

lol this nigga said Blacks should be "proud" to be American

Oh nah, don't get me wrong. I hate the term African American too. But it's ridiculous to think Blacks should be proud of this nation knowing the history of our oppression from day one. A country where Black life is viewed so worthless that citizens and cops repeatedly kill us w/o ever having to worry about punishment.

 

[A1000MILES]

Yeah...Fuck America for that, I agree...Still though...American blacks are just that, American...

 

[bkkbully]

^^^ You are an immigrant...Americans are not...Do you see the difference...?

the man said the point of immigration was to become american

don't just read my reply read what he said then read my reply

No...You came here for that specific reason...Ery black person that ever came here did not...Some did come to assimilate...Some came to marry...Some came to study...Some had no choice, like me...Point is, an immigrant is not the same as someone who has generations of family here on both sides...You usually won't have the same mentality or upbringing...

Most immigrants came here for a better life and nothing more i would have went to the uk if i thought it would have been better, there was nothing about america that made it more special other than they were the ones who took me. assimilation is the last thing in the back of an immigrants mind Lol you think a border jumper gives a rats ass about being american?

people marry ameicans to get citizenship so that they can have more opportunities or for love. being an american was not their focus. the problem with america is that it is not a real identity it's only a nationality and that is why there is hypenated america.

I can't stand when people say that, because Americans are a true identity and a true culture. I've only found this out in the last few years or so only because I've traveled. America has a culture (though a young one). You can see it everywhere in the world actually. There are millions of people around the globe who emulate how Americans dress, talk, walk, speak, the movies, the American slang, the music etc etc. Our greatest exports are weapons and entertainment. The influence spreads vastly

 

[zombie]

^^^ You are an immigrant...Americans are not...Do you see the difference...?

the man said the point of immigration was to become american

don't just read my reply read what he said then read my reply

No...You came here for that specific reason...Ery black person that ever came here did not...Some did come to assimilate...Some came to marry...Some came to study...Some had no choice, like me...Point is, an immigrant is not the same as someone who has generations of family here on both sides...You usually won't have the same mentality or upbringing...

Most immigrants came here for a better life and nothing more i would have went to the uk if i thought it would have been better, there was nothing about america that made it more special other than they were the ones who took me. assimilation is the last thing in the back of an immigrants mind Lol you think a border jumper gives a rats ass about being american?

people marry ameicans to get citizenship so that they can have more opportunities or for love. being an american was not their focus. the problem with america is that it is not a real identity it's only a nationality and that is why there is hypenated america.

I can't stand when people say that, because Americans are a true identity and a true culture. I've only found this out in the last few years or so only because I've traveled. America has a culture (though a young one). You can see it everywhere in the world actually. There are millions of people around the globe who emulate how Americans dress, talk, walk, speak, the movies, the American slang, the music etc etc. Our greatest exports are weapons and entertainment. The influence spreads vastly

most of americas so called cultural creations cannot find there birth solely in america. american music is really african and european music. americans don't walk different, and entertainment by itself cannot be a culture. america is too young to have it's own culture. what you have in this nation is pockets of other peoples culture.

 

[zombie]

Yeah...Fuck America for that, I agree...Still though...American blacks are just that, American...

define american?

 

[mryounggun]

I'll feel better about dropping 'African-American' when this country affords everybody the same rights and privileges. And why is it that I've never heard anyone call for any other ethnic group to let go of their heritage like that? My mom spent most of her young adult life in NY so I used to spend summers there with Granny. Never heard anyone tell the Italian-American cats, 'Fam, you ain't never been to Italy. Your great, great grandparents came over here 80 years ago. Cut it out. You're American.

And they don't even identify as 'Italian-American'. If you ask, they'll tell you 'I'm Italian'.

Until they go to Italy and Italians say to them, 'Your not Italian, your AMERICAN. Your mannerisms are American, you walk American, etc etc.' I think when we all realize that we are all Americans and we drop the 'pre ethnicity' role call, shit will make much more sense

Yeah, we're all American. But this country was founded on certain principals that don't usually apply to people of color. I'm so not one of the Al Sharpton niggas who always looking for a mountain top to scream 'Black power' from. But should I identify myself as American first, if the very principals that this country was founded on don't apply to people who look like me? Should forget that my lineage goes back to West Africa and pledge myself fully to a place where I can't walk down the street without being stopped, handcuffed and searched?

Nah, I'm good.

African American works fine for me. Black, as well. 'Black American'? Lol. Nah.

Bruh I understand what your saying. I never said forget your lineage. Plus in most countries around the world you can walk around without being stopped, handcuffed, and searched. All I'm saying is, your American. If you get a passport, it says American not African American and I think more Americans should realize that we're all one regardless of our fucked up backgrounds. Every country has its downfalls. I'm typing this from China right now. I went out to a bar with a few Kenyans and even Chinese people knew right away that I was American. I'm just saying bruh, America is ours to claim just like everyone else's

And I get what you're saying. I just don't agree with you. That's ok, son. We ain't gotta agree. What part of China you in? I was there a couple years back hanging with a bunch of cats from around the world. Shit was like the United Nations at the bar and shit. Lol.

lol real shit! All good fam. Right now I'm in Shanghai. Was in Hangzhou for a few days and was in Hong Kong a week before.

Gotcha. This Canadian kid I know works outta Shanghai. I'm prolly gonna be there before the end of next year at some point. I hear Shanghai and Hong Kong are similar to NY and LA, which makes me less excited to visit. I spent a couple weeks in Beijing a couple years ago. Shit was dope.

 

[xxCivicxx]

How come white people from all different backgrounds/places can band together under the color 'white' but black people gotta stay separated/fragmented? Niggas don't hear me tho

 

[zombie]

How come white people from all different backgrounds/places can band together under the color 'white' but black people gotta stay separated/fragmented? Niggas don't hear me tho

because niggas are stupid