Sony Execs Warned Not To Cast Denzel Washington In Big Flicks Because Black Leads ‘Don’t Play Well’

[Jabu_Rule]

You know, I'm inclined to say things lim, "We need to do xyz..," but I'm never quite sure what's already been tried..

Have We indeed tried and failed to start our own Hollywood here in the States. Has it in fact been shut down, or have we either just shied away from and/or settled for Whitey's money?

Is depending on Hollywood really the only viable option we have on the table?

Currently, if you go to the Reason, you will see a brother producing and directing his own series about the streets of Brooklyn Called Money and Violence. You need distribution connects to be heard or you remain underground. Only other way is the internet and Mom and Pop (if they are left). They have quality actors reminiscent of the wire (nowhere near the budget or professional film production company backing). People been doing their own thing in the streets.

 

[Copper]

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To be a black film it needs to appeal to something unique to black ppl or deal with race or deal with issues urban/black ppl relate to.

but Guardians is a white film that was based on a law breaking gang of aliens saving a planet from being destroyed by a tyrant?

the stipulations you put on black films are insurmountable odds for black cinema to overcome to be successful in the eyes of naysayers like you and racist execs

I'm not naysayer.I want black films to do well,but the stats say they don't do numbers outside the country at the rate white films do.

your very conservative about what you consider a black film and very liberal about what you think a white film is...given your biased restrictions its impossible for black films to "do numbers"

 

[loch121]

You know, I'm inclined to say things lim, "We need to do xyz..," but I'm never quite sure what's already been tried..

Have We indeed tried and failed to start our own Hollywood here in the States. Has it in fact been shut down, or have we either just shied away from and/or settled for Whitey's money?

Is depending on Hollywood really the only viable option we have on the table?

Currently, if you go to the Reason, you will see a brother producing and director his own series about the streets of Brooklyn Called Money and Violence. You need distribution connects to be heard or you remain underground. Only other way is the internet and Mom and Pop (if they are left). They have quality actors reminiscent of the wire (nowhere near the budget) or professional film production company backing. People been doing their own thing in the streets.

I like that show,but that acting ain't no where near The Wire

 

[Jabu_Rule]

I'm not sure if this counts to folks, but 12 years a slave did better oversees then in the states. It also launched the career of a black actress and was based on an autobiography of an intelligent black man. It had a black main actor and director. Gross 130mill (60% ww), cost 20mill.

 

[loch121]

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To be a black film it needs to appeal to something unique to black ppl or deal with race or deal with issues urban/black ppl relate to.

but Guardians is a white film that was based on a law breaking gang of aliens saving a planet from being destroyed by a tyrant?

the stipulations you put on black films are insurmountable odds for black cinema to overcome to be successful in the eyes of naysayers like you and racist execs

I'm not naysayer.I want black films to do well,but the stats say they don't do numbers outside the country at the rate white films do.

your very conservative about what you consider a black film and very liberal about what you think a white film is...given your biased restrictions its impossible for black films to "do numbers"

IDK why you say that.

I'm the same in both

A white film is a film with mainly white actors

A black film is a film with mostly black actors dealing with something specific to black ppl

There are movies that have black ppl in them that don't have anything to do with the black experience.

Same with music

Just because an artist is black doesn't mean they make black music.They can be a pop act or do country music,folk,or rock.but if they did rap,rnb,raggae etc it would be black music.

Some movies are pop movies that just happen to have a black person or 2 in them.

If a black guy does country western music would you call what they do black music?

 

[Jabu_Rule]

You know, I'm inclined to say things lim, "We need to do xyz..," but I'm never quite sure what's already been tried..

Have We indeed tried and failed to start our own Hollywood here in the States. Has it in fact been shut down, or have we either just shied away from and/or settled for Whitey's money?

Is depending on Hollywood really the only viable option we have on the table?

Currently, if you go to the Reason, you will see a brother producing and director his own series about the streets of Brooklyn Called Money and Violence. You need distribution connects to be heard or you remain underground. Only other way is the internet and Mom and Pop (if they are left). They have quality actors reminiscent of the wire (nowhere near the budget) or professional film production company backing. People been doing their own thing in the streets.

I like that show,but that acting ain't no where near The Wire

I said reminiscent. I was only speaking on the fact that these are untrained first time actors. With better direction and budget, i can see them being much better in other films. They know how to read their lines and most stay within character.

 

[desertrain10]

We should make our own Hollywood but we will never be able to compete on the same scale

So

the lack of diversity

we really comparing Guardians of the Galaxy to baggage claim though?

those films are really white films? their huge productions with a white lead and few people of color in the cast

fast 6 had 2 white leads the rest were a multi racial cast and made 238 million here and 789 million world wide..all fast and furious has made like 937 all together

if those films you named are white films then Men In black is a black film which has 429 million

if you want to compare films make sure their similar films with similar budgets and a predominately cast of one color

Nah. that was just one example,but I wasn't comparing those specific films

A black film has to have a almost all black cast so fast 6 or men In Black are black films

Will has a white co star and Paul Walker is the star of fast and Furious films

neighbors and baggage claim are more in the same ballpark

Zach Affron who is a super star overseas had a big role in Neighbors ... Baggage Claim had no household names in it.. I don't see how you can fairly compare the two ticket sale wise

So you consider Fast an Furious a white film because Paul Walker was one of its many leads even though 75% of the rest of the cast were non whites?

Lol ...You are bending over backwards to defend these hollywood execs

It's clearly not just about turning a profit

I'm not bending over backwards for anything

fast and Furious is in no way an urban/black film

Ur moving the goal post

If you are arguing that movies with non white, blk lead(s) don't fair well overseas which the execs at Sony suggested, Fast N Furious would be one of the many exceptions right? Men in black too. The Wild, Wild West

Sure we get why Hollywood isn't churning out (big budget) movies with predominantly blk casts but that's not what we are arguing here

No one including the execs in question is arguing anything other than why or why not more black actors given the opportunity to star, costar in more Hollywood big budget films

There is little evidence to suggest that had the actor who played the main character in Guardians of the Galaxy or Interstellar was replaced with a Will Smith, Denzel or even a Michael B Jordan that that movie would have not had the same success solely because of the color of their skin

Weak sauce lol

 

[Jabu_Rule]

After Earth actually didn't fail. It made more wordwide too.

Gross: 243 mill (75% ww), Budget: $130 million

 

[cannonspike1994]

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To be a black film it needs to appeal to something unique to black ppl or deal with race or deal with issues urban/black ppl relate to.

but Guardians is a white film that was based on a law breaking gang of aliens saving a planet from being destroyed by a tyrant?

the stipulations you put on black films are insurmountable odds for black cinema to overcome to be successful in the eyes of naysayers like you and racist execs

I'm not naysayer.I want black films to do well,but the stats say they don't do numbers outside the country at the rate white films do.

your very conservative about what you consider a black film and very liberal about what you think a white film is...given your biased restrictions its impossible for black films to "do numbers"

IDK why you say that.

I'm the same in both

A white film is a film with mainly white actors

A black film is a film with mostly black actors dealing with something specific to black ppl

There are movies that have black ppl in them that don't have anything to do with the black experience.

1.

If a black guy does country western music would you call what they do black music?

yes all music originated from black people.

 

[loch121]

.

To be a black film it needs to appeal to something unique to black ppl or deal with race or deal with issues urban/black ppl relate to.

but Guardians is a white film that was based on a law breaking gang of aliens saving a planet from being destroyed by a tyrant?

the stipulations you put on black films are insurmountable odds for black cinema to overcome to be successful in the eyes of naysayers like you and racist execs

I'm not naysayer.I want black films to do well,but the stats say they don't do numbers outside the country at the rate white films do.

your very conservative about what you consider a black film and very liberal about what you think a white film is...given your biased restrictions its impossible for black films to "do numbers"

IDK why you say that.

I'm the same in both

A white film is a film with mainly white actors

A black film is a film with mostly black actors dealing with something specific to black ppl

There are movies that have black ppl in them that don't have anything to do with the black experience.

1.

If a black guy does country western music would you call what they do black music?

yes all music originated from black people.

LMFAO.I refuse to take responsibility for country western music.

 

[cannonspike1994]

.

To be a black film it needs to appeal to something unique to black ppl or deal with race or deal with issues urban/black ppl relate to.

but Guardians is a white film that was based on a law breaking gang of aliens saving a planet from being destroyed by a tyrant?

the stipulations you put on black films are insurmountable odds for black cinema to overcome to be successful in the eyes of naysayers like you and racist execs

I'm not naysayer.I want black films to do well,but the stats say they don't do numbers outside the country at the rate white films do.

your very conservative about what you consider a black film and very liberal about what you think a white film is...given your biased restrictions its impossible for black films to "do numbers"

IDK why you say that.

I'm the same in both

A white film is a film with mainly white actors

A black film is a film with mostly black actors dealing with something specific to black ppl

There are movies that have black ppl in them that don't have anything to do with the black experience.

1.

If a black guy does country western music would you call what they do black music?

yes all music originated from black people.

LMFAO.I refuse to take responsibility for country western music.

its still black music

 

[loch121]

After Earth actually didn't fail. It made more wordwide too.

Gross: 243 mill (75% ww), Budget: $130 million

Going back to something I said earlier sci fi films translate better than comedy.Black ppl just don't usually make sci fi films.

Sci fi films get huge budgets and more ppl follow sci fi than urban rom com's or comedies.

There are exceptions,but look at who most the exceptions are.it's always Will Smith or Denzel.Samuel jackson is in a bunch of movies but he's rarely the star by himself in block busters like Avengers,Star Wars,Pulp Fiction,Django

Will Smith and Denzel break the norm because of who they are.That's not the rule though.

Will be killing them overseas and Denzel movies do pretty good overseas too.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

After Earth actually didn't fail. It made more wordwide too.

Gross: 243 mill (75% ww), Budget: $130 million

Going back to something I said earlier sci fi films translate better than comedy.Black ppl just don't usually make sci fi films.

Sci fi films get huge budgets and more ppl follow sci fi than urban rom com's or comedies.

There are exceptions,but look at who most the exceptions are.it's always Will Smith or Denzel.Samuel jackson is in a bunch of movies but he's rarely the star by himself in block busters like Avengers,Star Wars,Pulp Fiction,Django

Will Smith and Denzel break the norm because of who they are.That's not the rule though.

Will be kill them overseas and Denzel movies do pretty good overseas too.

So? At one point, they weren't in there at all and the Executive was specifically talking about Denzel, so i guess he was wrong. Do Black Romantic comedies even get international release like that? I would think that they would target the black american audience anyway.

 

[loch121]

After Earth actually didn't fail. It made more wordwide too.

Gross: 243 mill (75% ww), Budget: $130 million

Going back to something I said earlier sci fi films translate better than comedy.Black ppl just don't usually make sci fi films.

Sci fi films get huge budgets and more ppl follow sci fi than urban rom com's or comedies.

There are exceptions,but look at who most the exceptions are.it's always Will Smith or Denzel.Samuel jackson is in a bunch of movies but he's rarely the star by himself in block busters like Avengers,Star Wars,Pulp Fiction,Django

Will Smith and Denzel break the norm because of who they are.That's not the rule though.

Will be kill them overseas and Denzel movies do pretty good overseas too.

So? At one point, they weren't in there at all and the Executive was specifically talking about Denzel, so i guess he was wrong. Do Black Romantic comedies even get international release like that? I would think that they would target the black american audience anyway.

They drop them but they don't do well intl

 

[loch121]

Sony must not agree with dude because the head wants Idris as James Bond.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...e-next-james-bond.html?source=TDB&via=FB_Page

 

[BEAM]

Sony must not agree with dude because the head wants Idris as James Bond.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...e-next-james-bond.html?source=TDB&via=FB_Page

Idris Elba as Bond would be incredible.

White people be bullshyttin..

 

[MasterJayN100]

 

[Karl.]

I also read a leak that said they want Idris Elba as the next Bond.

 

[MR.CJ]

After Earth actually didn't fail. It made more wordwide too.

Gross: 243 mill (75% ww), Budget: $130 million

Didn't know that

 

[D0wn]

After Earth actually didn't fail. It made more wordwide too.

Gross: 243 mill (75% ww), Budget: $130 million

Didn't know that

America

its cause, America spent all it's effort panning the flick.