SO, who won the Token-White sweepstakes in 2011??

[thefabmd2dc]

If Elvis is really the king of rock and roll so many people wouldn't have exposed him for not writing his own music and stealing most of his music from black artists he watched when he was growing up.
Kenny G is the highest selling jazz musician but overall in terms of the genre more people will say they liked Miles Davis more then him and consider him the greatest jazz musician of all time.

If you think a white person's opinion holds so much power that it overrides common sense then you just doing yourself in.

 

[supersajinfo]

Nobody considers Kenny G the greatest jazz musician of all time Its Miles all day nobody dissects his music like they do Miles.
Hip Hop most folks consider tupac or biggie to be the greatest .But on topic all those people in your poll flopped hard Kreayshawn lost all her buzz and got railroaded out of hip hop, kkoke is in jail,MGk signed to bad boy ,yela nobody takes seriously,pauly d is just a one season away from obscurity,Asher Roth is a failure ,Mac Millar sales are fake he just had Alot of distribution .black artist who are Indy won from coast to coast.

 

[H-Rap 180]

Aren't there some struggle ass bars you should be spitting over the latest Drake instrumental with? -Get lost kid.

Hey Kid, it's a hard enough struggle trying to fit the entire alphabet on a $2 cotton hat....snap backs back?

If Elvis is really the king of rock and roll so many people wouldn't have exposed him for not writing his own music and stealing most of his music from black artists he watched when he was growing up.
Kenny G is the highest selling jazz musician but overall in terms of the genre more people will say they liked Miles Davis more then him and consider him the greatest jazz musician of all time.

If you think a white person's opinion holds so much power that it overrides common sense then you just doing yourself in.

Your opinion as a white person means nothing to me, I was speaking more in terms of common consensus based on the revisionist rewritten history that most people your color and mine treat as Gospel.

 

[supersajinfo]

H I really dont see the value or purpose in this poll. None of these dudes are called the next big thing.Most are gimmicks and peopl see through them.

 

[H-Rap 180]

Nobody considers Kenny G the greatest jazz musician of all time Its Miles all day nobody dissects his music like they do Miles.
Hip Hop most folks consider tupac or biggie to be the greatest .But on topic all those people in your poll flopped hard Kreayshawn lost all her buzz and got railroaded out of hip hop, kkoke is in jail,MGk signed to bad boy ,yela nobody takes seriously,pauly d is just a one season away from obscurity,Asher Roth is a failure ,Mac Millar sales are fake he just had Alot of distribution .black artist who are Indy won from coast to coast.

I know many whites who consider Kenny G the greatest Jazz musician and they site him being the #1 seller in Jazz as proof.....funny how people keep nit-picking Kenny G as of that was the thread-premise.

So let me get this straight: labels are giving deals to artists that they know will ultimately flop? What's the point?? Ain't that hustling backwards?

Kenny G Vs Miles Davis.........Emenim Vs Rakim......

Kreayshawn is one hit away from being the next Ke$ha, MGK got himself a major-label deal, Mac Miller had the 8th best first week sales in 2011 HipHop, Yelawolf outsold Styles P, and Asher Roth is on the greatest HipHop label ever created.

K-Koke is on Roc Nation so he is just as relevant as Jay Electronica...Oh behave!!

Pauli D is just a token signee so that 50-Cent can prove to his fans that he is still the jolliest Negro in HipHop.

Coltrane>>>>>>>Miles

 

[H-Rap 180]

H I really dont see the value or purpose in this poll. None of these dudes are called the next big thing.Most are gimmicks and peopl see through them.

Then why did they all get major label deals on hip hops most storied labels this year!!

Name another year this type of fuckerry went down.

 

[thefabmd2dc]

Well first off, a revisionist history is not the standard. It is something that ultimately becomes an accepted standard for"some" by way of popularity,social climate, or knowledge.

Miles Davis was never the highest selling jazz musician that was always Kenny G, when you brought up this point you weren't talking about a popular opinion.

Its easier to bring up revisionist history when your talking about popularity because ultimately that is going to connect with more people to effect how something is viewed. When you bring up something concrete like sales and try to bring up revisionist history you once again do your own argument in.

 

[stealthbomber]

lol @ hrap not accepting that he's the internet version of huey newton. i agree with dizzmatic, the world is different than the last time u stepped outta your apartment. we that have lives dont catch feeling about what some random old nigga says online. as much as u think your witty comebacks sting they really dont. another concept u need to understand is FUCK A RAPPERS RACE, IF THEY CAN RAP LET EM LIVE. u make it sound like the kkk's still running around stringing niggas up in broad daylight. its people like u that keep racism going.

 

[H-Rap 180]

Well first off, a revisionist history is not the standard. It is something that ultimately becomes an accepted standard for"some" by way of popularity,social climate, or knowledge.

Miles Davis was never the highest selling jazz musician that was always Kenny G, when you brought up this point you weren't talking about a popular opinion.

Its easier to bring up revisionist history when your talking about popularity because ultimately that is going to connect with more people. When you bring up something concrete like sales and try to bring up revisionist history you once again do your own argument in.

In a way this whole thread seems to point out the diaspora you seem

You don't know what common consensus and popular opinion is.

You engage in semantics because answering the original question in the thread is beyond your level of intellect.

Its easier to deflect, distract, and derail than answer a simplistic question in regards to recent signings in HipHop.

 

[supersajinfo]

They are doing it because they are desperate to recreate and harness the underground and independent circuit of hip hop culture and rap music.Kreayshawn is a joke a gimmick and she has said she is confused and doesn't want to make music.ASAP Rocky is a jumbled mess of different coast and sounds and folks know he is not a true a southerner and is a biter,MGK whole gimmick is a fast spitting white rapper oh wait he sounds just like yela who is a fringe rapper that is in his 30s.They are throwing anything at the wall to make it stick they realized the same walls they made to lock intelligent,creative black artist out have kept them locked in.They can't create or manufacture buzzes now. Kreayshawn is a complete failure v nasty ruined her career completely.

 

[H-Rap 180]

lol @ hrap not accepting that he's the internet version of huey newton. i agree with dizzmatic, the world is different than the last time u stepped outta your apartment. we that have lives dont catch feeling about what some random old nigga says online. as much as u think your witty comebacks sting they really dont. another concept u need to understand is FUCK A RAPPERS RACE, IF THEY CAN RAP LET EM LIVE. u make it sound like the kkk's still running around stringing niggas up in broad daylight. its people like u that keep racism going.

LOL you random old Cracka's seem aggravated.

You are the E-version of Bill O'Reily.

Your inability to answer the simplest of questions is a testament to your lack of knowledge.

Many whites such as yourself get frustrated when a Black person makes observations based on who got signed to a major label deal in the rap industry in 2011 but you old Cracka's shouldn't allow a stranger to irritate you to the degree that I do.

 

[supersajinfo]

I peep and understand what he HRap is getting at their has been a serious attempt to get a new gen eminem and a serious try to recreate the Indy circuit

 

[H-Rap 180]

They are doing it because they are desperate to recreate and harness the underground and independent circuit of hip hop culture and rap music.Kreayshawn is a joke a gimmick and she has said she is confused and doesn't want to make music.ASAP Rocky is a jumbled mess of different coast and sounds and folks know he is not a true a southerner and is a biter,MGK whole gimmick is a fast spitting white rapper oh wait he sounds just like yela who is a fringe rapper that is in his 30s.They are throwing anything at the wall to make it stick they realized the same walls they made to lock intelligent,creative black artist out have kept them locked in.They can't create or manufacture buzzes now. Kreayshawn is a complete failure v nasty ruined her career completely.

This is a knowledgable post were you shared your own observations based on industry activities, I appreciate that because most posters are too sensitive or feminine to actually stay on topic and speak on the issue that this thread was based on.

However I disagree with you downplaying the "gimmick-rappers" and writing them off.

V-Nasty parlayed her way into a retail album that was big enough to actually get a review on this very website that we post on, let's not forget that.

I sense a shift in the culture based on my own personal observations and I believe that the trends we see in 2011 will continue into 2012 and you will see less artists who represent the streets getting the same level of visibility as the influx of homo/emo/euro rappers or the suburban-frat rappers like Wiz/Miller

off top correct me if I'm wrong but the top sellers this year:

LiL Wayne, Jay/Kanye, Drake, J.Cole, Wiz Khalifah, Lupe, Emenim/Royce, Wale, Mac Miller, Beastie Boys.......now were are the streets being represented in that lineup??

The imbalance is becoming more prominent and I'm just stating my observations regardless of if people weep and catch feelings.

If we watch today's trends we can effectively gauge the direction of the music and make adjustments accordingly.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

lol @ hrap not accepting that he's the internet version of huey newton. i agree with dizzmatic, the world is different than the last time u stepped outta your apartment. we that have lives dont catch feeling about what some random old nigga says online. as much as u think your witty comebacks sting they really dont. another concept u need to understand is FUCK A RAPPERS RACE, IF THEY CAN RAP LET EM LIVE. u make it sound like the kkk's still running around stringing niggas up in broad daylight. its people like u that keep racism going.

Wow....emotions still getting caught. I seriously don't believe the overall theme of this thread it's about racism. But since you brought that topic up..

The funny thing is racism was never buried. You just can't go to sleep and wake up and *POOF* it's gone.

Time to play Devil's advocate: What if ALL the Hip Hop was White oriented and a Black artist with came in and was crowned the best thing in the culture...would you let 'em live?

 

[stealthbomber]

LOL you random old Cracka's seem aggravated.

You are the E-version of Bill O'Reily.

Your inability to answer the simplest of questions is a testament to your lack of knowledge.

Many whites such as yourself get frustrated when a Black person makes observations based on who got signed to a major label deal in the rap industry in 2011 but you old Cracka's shouldn't allow a stranger to irritate you to the degree that I do.

lol bill o reilly... i answered the question in my first post. i just wanted to pop back in and make that statement.

 

[stealthbomber]

Wow....emotions still getting caught. I seriously don't believe the overall theme of this thread it's about racism. But since you brought that topic up..

The funny thing is racism was never buried. You just can't go to sleep and wake up and *POOF* it's gone.

Time to play Devil's advocate: What if ALL the Hip Hop was White oriented and a Black artist with came in and was crowned the best thing in the culture...would you let 'em live?

obvioulsy its not all gone. but constantly bringing it up when it has no effect on anything is just screaming closet racist. not that i give a fuck, but im just saying stop beating around the bush and just say u dont want white people in hip hop.

 

[supersajinfo]

Well damn just read H raps post he is right we are having a huge disconnect .The rise in intelligent and in sightful artist has risen too with Lupe,Wale,J.Cole

But we do need some serious balance now that you brought it to light like that.They say the truth shall set you free

 

[StillFaggyAF]

no one on that list besides maybe MGK and Yelawolf will have any impact on hip hop

 

[stealthbomber]

lol yall got me fuggin defending white people, all im saying is 99% of people who listen to rap listen to it for enjoyment, not cuz its a black guy on the other end.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

obvioulsy its not all gone. but constantly bringing it up when it has no effect on anything is just screaming closet racist. not that i give a fuck, but im just saying stop beating around the bush and just say u dont want white people in hip hop.

Soulless Hip Hop...I seriously don't wanna know what would that sound like..

lol yall got me fuggin defending white people, all im saying is 99% of people who listen to rap listen to it for enjoyment, not cuz its a black guy on the other end.

Why is it hard to listen to some Black artists that raps about some experiences you possibly went through so you could relate?