So Obama gave Hu Jintao the big fancy state dinner. But in return, Hu had to...

[Swiffness!]

yes that IS why we are superior, you can actually become filthy rich in this country doing nothing but spreading laughable bullshit info about the Gov't.

I think it was Iran where the gov't started screening "Sicko" in order to get people going "Oh wow, life is terrible in America", but they stopped because they realized the audience was reacting to the film like "WOW! You're allowed to diss the gov't like this in America??".

 

[Bully_Pulpit]

I cant take Americans preaching about human rights seriously. Just cant.

America became a super power by violating many a nation's people's human rights. But China cant?

Shit black people's human rights get violated everyday by their local police departments & Americans wouldnt have it any other way. But China is out of line? If I was them I'd tell Obama to go sit his "bRack" ass down somewhere.

"just wike u bRacks. U owe us trillion of dolla but have nerve to cop attitude...fuk out here...I feew sawwy fa ya madda."

I couldnt agree with you more

 

[water ur seeds]

I can dig it bro, but the thing is that the US/UK/EU haven't really been so great at the whole 'ruling the world' part. For example, the rape of african/arab people/soil. I mean If we both were chillin in Iraq right now we wouldn't be happy with the US occupation. In fact we would probably hate the US with a passion for all the slaughters and mayhem they caused right?

I have posted on this site from Chinese (and Singapore) soil, I can tell you first hand that they are taking a turn for the better but really, it takes time. You cannot expect a country with 1.3 billion people to change within a decade, I for one think it's not even possible to have a democracy in such a ridiculous large and diverse country. Also don't believe everything you hear about the censorhsips/lack of freedom of speech, everybody thats been to Shanghai for example(and can read mandarin) knows they have like 11000 different newspapers over there and it really isn't as closed anymore as 2/3 or even early 2000's, we have been thrown to death with zillions of indepht docs made in China etc.

In the end we are comparing several demons, I choose not to dance with either and just call them for what they are bro

(and yes I still think Man United will get kicked out of the CL by Marseille)

oh and about the JMT link, yeah shadow business is what made many of our fine 'western' companies great, infact we build the democracies etc after ww2 on shadow business. It was populair to go overseas for cheap labour lol, it was even government policy lol.

yeah its no secrete ww saved the us economy... and most clothes are made in asia... its no excuse for the way they treat their employers...

we are not talking about the war or the u.s or the way we treat the countries we occupy, we are talking about the way the chinese treat their OWN people...

the censorship is still very real over their, i got a bredren that had to move back their and got a bredren in south korea and they feel trapped...

you try and google tinnamon square *spell check*, and look at certain websites, its a nanny state, they only let you see what the government want you to see, at least we can learn what want... the info is out there, but in china its not...

the size of the country is irrelevant, look at australia, america even russia tbh putin might be a nutter, but at least they can go on the internet and have relative freedom of speech, even if the mob run tings...

 

[janklow]

Hu btw actually is on advocate for free speech in China, you need to understand that China is a huge country and change in policies will not come overnight(+ the given that democracy is not the answer for China but thats another discussion). W-Europe needed WW1 and 2 to get a social democracy.

alright, but if you can say "it's a huge country and you can't change things overnight," then i think we can use that same sentiment to excuse anything about the US. so we're once again back to noting that everyone is terrible and does terrible things and saying we can't criticize something if our own country sucks in any manner means no one can talk about anything ever. except maybe Luxembourg or something.

anyway, Hu might be a proponent of free speech... but the press freedoms still aren't there and this was more what the issue's about. you can call out Obama on any of the dirt you mention because of the free press; you can't do that in China. and oddly enough, the US has always had that concept even through all our past drama.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

china is currently imprisoning the 2010 nobel peace prize winner

so the 2009 nobel preace prize winner has them over for dinner

lol

 

[Alkindus]

LOL, obviously some of u are missing the political motivations of this press conference. Where were those journalists the last 60 years? you know, there have literally been 60 wars world wide where the US provided weapons and supported one side. In fact why aren't there any journalists right now asking Obama questions about why the US supported that dicator ben ali of tunesia and even provided his escape?where were these journalists when US officials were getting the public all hyped up on getting justice in Iraq(lol) where are these journalists every year when the US dismisses the UN resolutions/sanctions against Israel(when 178 of the 180 countries are in favour of the resolutions the last 30 years)? hell wasn't the US itself an apartheid state only 50 years ago? Only a handfull of journalists man. a...hand...full lol. fuck hindside.

Look China will have the same selective free speech as we have here in the Netherlands and USA in due time. China was closed of the rest of the world 30 years ago and has changed tremendoulsy the last 3 decades, it's an extremly dynamic place, this is not the China of 20/10 or even 1 year ago. The pace on which the economy/land etc is changing is immense, the one child policies are already getting worked on, the censoring isn't as bad as most of you claim and is changing for the better everyday(slowly off course). Like I stated earlier, Shanghai alone has like 10.000 different news papers.

Now if you don't understand why China dwarves the States(lack of long standing cultural traditions, only 300 million people) and democracy doesn't work, I will use this example about Spain: Catalonia(famous for FC Barcelona) wants to be independed from Madrid, 90% of the catalonians even voted in favour for that shit last year +-....why doesn't that happen? because if the Spanish government would grant independency to the Catalonians, the Basks etc also would like independency(cause spain also is a very diverse country) which will cause a domino effect and will be the end of Spain. Spain is like one province in China. It's a ridiculously huge/diverse country, with over 50 ancient cultures, its way more complex to rule/guide than the US/Spain etc. There will be free speech, they are heading in the right direction but this will take atleast another decade.

Look, this titan is coming whether you like it or not. I'm not afraid for the Chinese, I'm afriad for those war mongering piece of shit lobby groups that got your azzez in afganistan and iraq. Those mofo's that feel they are superior and think they can cluster bomb a million people in the name of justice. Like you cats are afraid for some extremists in pakistan gettin their hands on those nukes, I'm afraid for those US war monegring supremist mofo's think they have the right to disrespect/bomb everybody in the world,, that already got your azzez in Iraq, are preaching for a war with Iran and are now labeling(what should be our best friend) China as the enemy and got your president disrespecting the Chinese president and got you mofo's thinking it's cool and get all patriotic with your 'superior' free speech.

 

[janklow]

LOL, obviously some of u are missing the political motivations of this press conference.

i don't think anyone missed that, especially in light of the thread title. we're talking about the legitimacy of grilling (or whatever) Jintao at a press conference

you know, there have literally been 60 wars world wide where the US provided weapons and supported one side.

list 'em

In fact why aren't there any journalists right now asking Obama questions about why the US supported that dicator ben ali of tunesia and even provided his escape?where were these journalists when US officials were getting the public all hyped up on getting justice in Iraq(lol) where are these journalists every year when the US dismisses the UN resolutions/sanctions against Israel(when 178 of the 180 countries are in favour of the resolutions the last 30 years)? hell wasn't the US itself an apartheid state only 50 years ago?

you ARE aware that:

--journalists in the US are allowed, and have been allowed, to report on everything you have stated;

--journalists HAVE reported on all of the things you have stated

Look China will have the same selective free speech as we have here in the Netherlands and USA in due time.

good for them. that's the point we're getting at here.

-the one child policies are already getting worked on

unrelated note: this has been changed for years now depending on where you're from in China.

I'm afriad for those war mongering piece of shit lobby groups that got your azzez in afganistan and iraq. Those mofo's that feel they are superior and think they can cluster bomb a million people in the name of justice. Like you cats are afraid for some extremists in pakistan gettin their hands on those nukes, I'm afraid for those US war monegring supremist mofo's think they have the right to disrespect/bomb everybody in the world,, that already got your azzez in Iraq, are preaching for a war with Iran and are now labeling(what should be our best friend) China as the enemy and got your president disrespecting the Chinese president and got you mofo's thinking it's cool and get all patriotic with your 'superior' free speech.

so basically, you don't want us to ever criticize China unless our country never does anything wrong, right? but then, no one can criticize us because they're also all doing something wrong. or did something wrong. except for Luxembourg. so what is the point?

ps. if you really think there's no one from China who thinks they're superior... or that they'd be morally justified in bombing people they don't like... or are cool with major political figures disrespecting other nations... i don't know what to tell you. unless your argument is just "Americans are different from and/or inferior to all other human beings"

 

[Justa Phella]

i mean lmfao @ the contrast:

"We're all happy family here!"

*ICE COLD*

nothing funnier then this shit man hahahahahhaa, great story china got played

 

[kingblaze84]

I see lots of great posts here, from all sides. Obama did get the upper hand in this press conference because he proved that despite all of America's wild issues, it still has freedom of speech and the press. It may not give America any true moral victories, but from a world perspective, America did look more free.

 

[King Erauno]

LMAO @ those stares Mr Prez gave Jintao

 

[Alkindus]

i don't think anyone missed that, especially in light of the thread title. we're talking about the legitimacy of grilling (or whatever) Jintao at a press conference

list 'em

you ARE aware that:

--journalists in the US are allowed, and have been allowed, to report on everything you have stated;

--journalists HAVE reported on all of the things you have stated

good for them. that's the point we're getting at here.

unrelated note: this has been changed for years now depending on where you're from in China.

so basically, you don't want us to ever criticize China unless our country never does anything wrong, right? but then, no one can criticize us because they're also all doing something wrong. or did something wrong. except for Luxembourg. so what is the point?

ps. if you really think there's no one from China who thinks they're superior... or that they'd be morally justified in bombing people they don't like... or are cool with major political figures disrespecting other nations... i don't know what to tell you. unless your argument is just "Americans are different from and/or inferior to all other human beings"

Well, I don't really have the time to list all those wars man(best believe it ain't bullshit though, from providing weapons all over africa, us is the biggest arms trader in the world man, dont pretend you dont know that the US supported/provided Israel with weapons, or that they provide the etiopians and south sudanese with arms etc)....and you are saying that last week when ben ali fled tunisia with US help, there were journalists asking obama wtf, why are you helping that dictator escape and why the fuck did you support him all this time(this doesn't happen, and has rarely happned in the past because that would open up a lot of the peoples eyes regarding the pretentious democratic non-sense, believing a president actually has any power etc)? You know thats bullshit Jank. Look I'm just not jumping on the bandwagon man, the US critisising China on human rights is ridiculous....

We can be critical of anyone, but the moment we are starting to babble about us being superior is the moment we are wrong man. I'm not a fan of polarisation.

 

[Sh0t]

My heart goes out to the Catalonians and Basques that want to secede. Same for all those ethnicities in China.Hopefully one day they will support we Californians when we fight our war of independence from Washington.

America has freedom of speech and the press in some media, not all. There is not much on tv or radio. IN print and on the internet there it is close to unlimited. Economic freedom in the us is diminishing. Trendline-wise, America is sloping down, China is sloping up. IN time, China might be much better at it.

Here are a few of my 'favorite' people the US has provided weapons, money, support for:
Noriega, Suharto, Pol Pot(!), the USSR, North Korea, Georgia, Saddam Hussein, Iran, various two week dictators in Haiti, Mobutu, OBL

Attacking all sides is by far the most fun. Down with the Chinese AND US Government. Both are unnecessary Evils.

 

[The Prime Minister]

LoL Obama's mean mug is too trill....

But the press really should've asked dude what's up with all their copyright infringements, and why the Chinese make knock off EVERYTHING.

 

[janklow]

Well, I don't really have the time to list all those wars man (best believe it ain't bullshit though, from providing weapons all over africa, us is the biggest arms trader in the world man-

let me just pause you here to point out that selling arms and "60 wars world wide where the US provided weapons and supported one side" are not the same thing. i mainly ask for a list because you're throwing out the number as if you can explicitly support it.

and you are saying that last week when ben ali fled tunisia with US help, there were journalists asking obama wtf, why are you helping that dictator escape and why the fuck did you support him all this time (this doesn't happen-

again, here is what i am saying:

--in the US, journalists CAN ask that question, and if you replaced "the US" with "China," it would not be the same answer;

--people in the US DO say stuff like that. seriously, do you not read the wide array of claims and accusations Americans print up? i mean, that's not meant to be flip, maybe you don't.

also, Ben Ali lighting out for France indicates to me that "with US help" may be more an unsubstantiated rumor than a fact, but it's not like i know either.

Look I'm just not jumping on the bandwagon man, the US critisising China on human rights is ridiculous....

i'm not saying you're on a bandwagon, i'm saying this is about press freedom. seriously, you're going to tell me that the US and China have equally free presses? or are you going to avoid that question and make this about some "human rights" comparison between the US and China again? because the thing is, you keep telling me "where do you get off lecturing China on human rights," while i've long since said "they've both done ridiculous shit, why are we debating this?"