So It Wasn't Ole Girl's Fault That Brock Turner Took That Ass When She Passed Out Drunk By Dumpster

[deadeye]

I'm really disgusted how some of you support rape culture. Then comparing the lack of support for a murder case where the victim was running from the cop to a rape case cause the chick was not black.

What the fuck have society come to? It seems that ppl in here would be okay with their family member getting raped if they were drunk or dressed inappropriately.

How did we get to this point as human beings?

@ShottaDaBeast

How exactly is "rape culture" being supported?

If anything, people are just advocating good judgment and responsible behavior.

So it wasn't her fault. The dude pursued her after being turned down by her earlier that night.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/10/us/stanford-rape-case-court-documents/

Spoiler

The sentencing memo said that the victim's sister was "caught completely off guard" when Turner tried to kiss her the night of the assault. She alerted a friend after Turner grabbed her waist and later picked him out of a lineup as the "aggressive" man at the party.

Judge in Stanford rape case faces backlash

After being twice rejected by her sister, Turner went after the victim when she was "alone and inebriated."

Turner took the victim to a dimly lit, isolated area and sexually assaulted her behind a dumpster.

"This behavior is not typical assaultive behavior that you find on campus, but it is more akin to a predator who is searching for prey," the prosecutor wrote.

Another woman told investigators that Turner was "grabby" and "touchy," putting his hands on her waist, stomach and upper thighs when she danced with him at a fraternity party about a week before the sexual assault. The woman told police Turner made her uncomfortable.

i'm not sure if you're trolling or serious. read the my previous post and reevaluate your stance on this dude you're caping for.

As for the indirect support of rape culture there is no need to explain. you're a 40+ year old man, if you need to debate on a forum what rape culture is then go speak to your pastor.

Poor comprehension skills.

I didn't say anything about not knowing what rape culture is.......I only asked you to give examples of how it was being supported in this thread.

Since you couldn't do that, you had to resort to personal attacks to cover up your own ineptitude.

Dude don't do this... I understood what you were asking. If anyone is inept it would be you. So leave your insults and back and forth you do here with woman to yourselves. Your posting style is disgusting and comes off as an creepy sexist.

Also, I shouldn't have to give example when you could read it yourself. Go suck your momma pussy

@ShottaDaBeast

Too emotional bruh.

Either that or you're reaction whoring.

Still didn't answer the question either, but I'll leave it alone since I'm not one to argue with fools.

Good day sir.

 

[Qiv_Owan]

13 pages?

Yall really having a discussion about this

So instead of letting her like the rest of the world, yall saying he had a right to rape her and its her fault he did...

Move this shit to donkey

 

[The Lonious Monk]

You said "the chick blacking out was instrumental in her being assaulted", and I argued back that is like saying, because I didn't lock my door, I was instrumental in being robbed. Which is not truthful, I didn't make someone walk up to my door and walk in without my permission(stick their dick in me). Someone taking advantage of me while I wasn't home(blacked out) is not me facilitating being robbed. But since there is no other way, I have to lock my door(stay sober) just to make sure I am not taken advantage of? And if I don't, I'm partially at fault?

I'm not sure what you're arguing here. When I say something is instrumental in something. I mean it plays a factor in it. There is no question that the chick being blacked out played a factor in the rape. Dude was clearly an opportunistic rapist that looked for someone vulnerable and took advantage of it. Most of these rapists are not dudes knocking chicks over the head and taking the pussy. Most of them are drugging females or find females that are in bad shape, and then raping them. In cases like that, the woman's actions most certainly play a role. Nothing she does prompts what the guy does, but it sure as hell is a factor.

Think of it like this. A couple weeks ago, my wife forgot to lock our car door at a parking lot. When she got back someone had opened the door and rummaged through the car. They stole like $40 my wife had in the glove box for some reason. Now it's not my wife's fault that someone was in the parking lot testing doors until they found one that was open, but the fact that she left the door unlocked was instrumental in what happened. Had she not done that. That $40 likely wouldn't have been stolen. None of us can say what would have happened if that woman hadn't blacked out that night. But if he was the coward I believe he probably is, she may not have been raped had she kept her faculties in tact. It's not blaming her to say that. It's just a matter of pointing out a possible truth.

13 pages?

Yall really having a discussion about this

So instead of letting her like the rest of the world, yall saying he had a right to rape her and its her fault he did...

Move this shit to donkey

Literally no one is saying that. I don't know why some of you are so obsessed with that straw man argument.

 

[Qiv_Owan]

The title of the thread

 

[The Lonious Monk]

The title of the thread

I don't agree with the thread title, but nowhere in it did it say the guy had the right to rape her.

 

[Qiv_Owan]

You gonna dislocate ur spine if u keep reaching that damn hard for an argument

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

You said "the chick blacking out was instrumental in her being assaulted", and I argued back that is like saying, because I didn't lock my door, I was instrumental in being robbed. Which is not truthful, I didn't make someone walk up to my door and walk in without my permission(stick their dick in me). Someone taking advantage of me while I wasn't home(blacked out) is not me facilitating being robbed. But since there is no other way, I have to lock my door(stay sober) just to make sure I am not taken advantage of? And if I don't, I'm partially at fault?

I'm not sure what you're arguing here. When I say something is instrumental in something. I mean it plays a factor in it. There is no question that the chick being blacked out played a factor in the rape. Dude was clearly an opportunistic rapist that looked for someone vulnerable and took advantage of it. Most of these rapists are not dudes knocking chicks over the head and taking the pussy. Most of them are drugging females or find females that are in bad shape, and then raping them. In cases like that, the woman's actions most certainly play a role. Nothing she does prompts what the guy does, but it sure as hell is a factor.

Think of it like this. A couple weeks ago, my wife forgot to lock our car door at a parking lot. When she got back someone had opened the door and rummaged through the car. They stole like $40 my wife had in the glove box for some reason. Now it's not my wife's fault that someone was in the parking lot testing doors until they found one that was open, but the fact that she left the door unlocked was instrumental in what happened. Had she not done that. That $40 likely wouldn't have been stolen. None of us can say what would have happened if that woman hadn't blacked out that night. But if he was the coward I believe he probably is, she may not have been raped had she kept her faculties in tact. It's not blaming her to say that. It's just a matter of pointing out a possible truth.

13 pages?

Yall really having a discussion about this

So instead of letting her like the rest of the world, yall saying he had a right to rape her and its her fault he did...

Move this shit to donkey

Literally no one is saying that. I don't know why some of you are so obsessed with that straw man argument.

Facilitate has a lot different meaning that instrumental, forgive me for rolling with the definition of instrumental. Maybe facilitate wasn't coming to mind and instrumental had to be used idk. But facilitate; (to make easier), leaving your door unlocked does make it easier for a criminal to take advantage of you, but its still quite an error to blame someone for the action of another because they didn't adequately inhibit facilitating them. We are lashing out at non criminal people for making it easier for criminals target them. Which is weird.

 

[Westie]

When isn't a rape a woman's fault to some of yall? I'll give you real life 3 instances from people I know:

1 woman walking home at night, a man with a knife jumps from the bushes, holds a knife to her throat and rapes her. She was walking home alone at night. Her fault?

1 girl goes home with a guy she was seeing. She was 16, he was in his 20s. He gave her alcohol, she was going to sleep with him. When she asked him to get a condom, he forced himself in her raw, held her down and raped her. Held a gun to her and told her he'd kill her if she said anything. She went home with a grown man. Her fault right?

1 woman had her house broken into by an ex she had recently broken up with. He came in through a window while she was sleep and raped her. Her fault for breaking up with him?

@Westie

It's not the woman's fault in any of those examples.

Now, there's nothing that could've been done to prevent the 1st and 3rd examples.

However, in the second example........again, it's not her fault...........but she might not have been in that situation if she hadn't made a decision to go home with an older man.

That's also the result of a lack of adult supervision as well.

But wait..........weren't you and @Kat in my thread a few weeks back saying that it was nothing wrong with teenage girls having sex???
http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...at-one-of-the-young-ladies-at-my-church-is/p1

Told me to mind my business right?

Maybe the 16yr old who got raped could've benefited from the advice of someone who was concerned about her as much as I'm concerned about the young lady at my church.

But nah, all y'all wanna do is talk about how "creepy" it is for me to be worried about her.

Funny how your opinions can change when it's convenient for you.

So its funny a 16 year old got raped? Teehee told ya so????

Show me where I mentioned adult supervision or an old random nigga not minding his business. You know there wasn't one? You know the person I'm talking about?

Stop being salty people called you a creep.

Like you're really a fucking weirdo taking joy out of a 16 year old being sexually assaulted and held at gunpoint, in an attempt to prove a point on a message board.

In a situation that is nowhere near parallel btw. You're actually a horrible person.

@Westie

Sorry for any misunderstanding.

I wasn't taking any joy out of a 16yr old getting raped.

I was taking joy in exposing your hypocrisy and bird logic.

Explain my hypocrisy and bird logic.

 

[Westie]

At least I do.

I do try to teach prevention from being in those situations.

Hold up.....

How is that any different than what I've been saying all along???

I'll tell you how it's different. Me teaching my daughters, who have never had anything happen to them to be aware of their surrounding and to not trust strangers drinks or be alone in settings like that is completely different than stating that a woman who has already been raped should have done all of those things. Its too fucking late. Who are you helping with that? I have already said in this thread numerous times that it's fine to tell young women that before the fact but stating that she should have done this things after the fact helps no one. You also need to keep in mind that most women aren't raped because they are passed out. Some of you in here acting like only stupid decisions lead you to getting raped that is completely untrue.

 

[Kwan Dai]

At least I do.

I do try to teach prevention from being in those situations.

Hold up.....

How is that any different than what I've been saying all along???

I'll tell you how it's different. Me teaching my daughters, who have never had anything happen to them to be aware of their surrounding and to not trust strangers drinks or be alone in settings like that is completely different than stating that a woman who has already been raped should have done all of those things. Its too fucking late. Who are you helping with that? I have already said in this thread numerous times that it's fine to tell young women that before the fact but stating that she should have done this things after the fact helps no one. You also need to keep in mind that most women aren't raped because they are passed out. Some of you in here acting like only stupid decisions lead you to getting raped that is completely untrue.

While it may not help after the fact. How does a grown, sane woman not know how to protect herself? It's unfortunate what happened to this young lady. Her poor choices led to life changing consequences. So, even if rape never crossed this young ladies mind, why didn't getting robbed, killed, or maybe even drunk driving and hurting someone else cross her mind?

I get it people need someone to blame, a villain and want to live their lives doing whatever the fuck they want despite the consequences. That is the American way. You know the cliche "this is a free country". I totally sympathize with this young lady but it's hard to not look at her and ask why the fuck would you risk\gamble with your life like that?

 

[Westie]

At least I do.

I do try to teach prevention from being in those situations.

Hold up.....

How is that any different than what I've been saying all along???

I'll tell you how it's different. Me teaching my daughters, who have never had anything happen to them to be aware of their surrounding and to not trust strangers drinks or be alone in settings like that is completely different than stating that a woman who has already been raped should have done all of those things. Its too fucking late. Who are you helping with that? I have already said in this thread numerous times that it's fine to tell young women that before the fact but stating that she should have done this things after the fact helps no one. You also need to keep in mind that most women aren't raped because they are passed out. Some of you in here acting like only stupid decisions lead you to getting raped that is completely untrue.

While it may not help after the fact. How does a grown, sane woman not know how to protect herself? It's unfortunate what happened to this young lady. Her poor choices led to life changing consequences. So, even if rape never crossed this young ladies mind, why didn't getting robbed, killed, or maybe even drunk driving and hurting someone else cross her mind?

I get it people need someone to blame, a villain and want to live their lives doing whatever the fuck they want despite the consequences. That is the American way. You know the cliche "this is a free country". I totally sympathize with this young lady but it's hard to not look at her and ask why the fuck would you risk\gamble with your life like that?

You say her poor choices led to this. People make poor choices every day they don't result and rape. The fact is there was a rapist around. He was a predator. She was in a location in a bad state which led to a predator being able to pray on her period. that doesn't put responsibility on her for what happened. And I'm sure this woman did not mean to pass out by the way. She couldn't handle her liquor, you've never been too drunk? And if you read more into the story and she wasn't even alone. She got fucked up as many people do. How does that make her responsible for someone doing something that despicable to her?

 

[Westie]

By the way, this guy is 100% a villain and to blame. Is he a victim of circumstance to? He couldn't control himself? Can you control with your dick goes?

 

[Kwan Dai]

At least I do.

I do try to teach prevention from being in those situations.

Hold up.....

How is that any different than what I've been saying all along???

I'll tell you how it's different. Me teaching my daughters, who have never had anything happen to them to be aware of their surrounding and to not trust strangers drinks or be alone in settings like that is completely different than stating that a woman who has already been raped should have done all of those things. Its too fucking late. Who are you helping with that? I have already said in this thread numerous times that it's fine to tell young women that before the fact but stating that she should have done this things after the fact helps no one. You also need to keep in mind that most women aren't raped because they are passed out. Some of you in here acting like only stupid decisions lead you to getting raped that is completely untrue.

While it may not help after the fact. How does a grown, sane woman not know how to protect herself? It's unfortunate what happened to this young lady. Her poor choices led to life changing consequences. So, even if rape never crossed this young ladies mind, why didn't getting robbed, killed, or maybe even drunk driving and hurting someone else cross her mind?

I get it people need someone to blame, a villain and want to live their lives doing whatever the fuck they want despite the consequences. That is the American way. You know the cliche "this is a free country". I totally sympathize with this young lady but it's hard to not look at her and ask why the fuck would you risk\gamble with your life like that?

You say her poor choices led to this. People make poor choices every day they don't result and rape. The fact is there was a rapist around. He was a predator. She was in a location in a bad state which led to a predator being able to pray on her period. that doesn't put responsibility on her for what happened. And I'm sure this woman did not mean to pass out by the way. She couldn't handle her liquor, you've never been too drunk? And if you read more into the story and she wasn't even alone. She got fucked up as many people do. How does that make her responsible for someone doing something that despicable to her?

Of course people make poor choices everyday. And some lead to harmful life altering experiences. In this case it was rape. Agreed there was a predator around. What is also a FACT is this young lady didn't take the proper precautions to protect herself. Failure to do so, makes her irresponsible. Whether she meant to black from INTOXICATION or not doesn't matter. Most of us don't intend to do the dumb shit we ultimately end up doing. No, I have never been too drunk to be taken advantage of. Her getting as you say "fucked up" was a poor decision. I won't argue with you if, you are ok with "getting fucked". But the irony here is she literally got "got fucked up". I cannot explain this any other way and it's a total shame that you are willing to absolve anyone who is willing to risk\gamble with their lives in such a manner. It's very scary to think people like you exist. It's dangerous to not reflect on ones poor choices in life and see where we gave control to someone else.

What was done to this young lady was despicable. The way she carried herself was also quite despicable.

 

[Kwan Dai]

By the way, this guy is 100% a villain and to blame. Is he a victim of circumstance to? He couldn't control himself? Can you control with your dick goes?

If, we apply your logic then no. From what little I know about the details he too was highly intoxicated.

Haven't you ever been too drunk?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Facilitate has a lot different meaning that instrumental, forgive me for rolling with the definition of instrumental. Maybe facilitate wasn't coming to mind and instrumental had to be used idk. But facilitate; (to make easier), leaving your door unlocked does make it easier for a criminal to take advantage of you, but its still quite an error to blame someone for the action of another because they didn't adequately inhibit facilitating them. We are lashing out at non criminal people for making it easier for criminals target them. Which is weird.

Yeah, technically facilitate is alright to use too, but as I said to Maximus, I'd stay away from that term because the connotation when saying a woman facilitated a rape is that she actively helped the racist. That's an unfair way of phrasing things. Women don't help rapist rape them, but sometimes they do make choices that make it possible for the rapist to commit the act. And sometimes the act would occur no matter what the woman does. It's a tricky subject and I do believe it should be addressed with care. I just don't agree that it's wrong for people to instruct women to be careful and mindful of the evil out there. Rape is pretty much the only subject where that seems to be out of line. No one gets mad at parents for telling their kids not to talk to strangers. It's essentially the same thing.

 

[Westie]

By the way, this guy is 100% a villain and to blame. Is he a victim of circumstance to? He couldn't control himself? Can you control with your dick goes?

If, we apply your logic then no. From what little I know about the details he too was highly intoxicated.

Haven't you ever been too drunk?

Passing out by yourself and sexually assaulting someone are two different things. But you want to start rationalizing rape so our convo is over.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Facilitate has a lot different meaning that instrumental, forgive me for rolling with the definition of instrumental. Maybe facilitate wasn't coming to mind and instrumental had to be used idk. But facilitate; (to make easier), leaving your door unlocked does make it easier for a criminal to take advantage of you, but its still quite an error to blame someone for the action of another because they didn't adequately inhibit facilitating them. We are lashing out at non criminal people for making it easier for criminals target them. Which is weird.

Yeah, technically facilitate is alright to use too, but as I said to Maximus, I'd stay away from that term because the connotation when saying a woman facilitated a rape is that she actively helped the racist. That's an unfair way of phrasing things. Women don't help rapist rape them, but sometimes they do make choices that make it possible for the rapist to commit the act. And sometimes the act would occur no matter what the woman does. It's a tricky subject and I do believe it should be addressed with care. I just don't agree that it's wrong for people to instruct women to be careful and mindful of the evil out there. Rape is pretty much the only subject where that seems to be out of line. No one gets mad at parents for telling their kids not to talk to strangers. It's essentially the same thing.

Imo instrumental was a worse word than facilitate lol. I'm leery to call it fault or even facilitate because we cannot control the actions of another, and those words imply some level of control over what someone else does. That is why I chose the word 'responsibility' because that is the only way we can somewhat guard ourselves against moral deviants, it's our duty to ourselves because others cannot control themselves. And it's sad it has to be that way in the first place but what else are we to do?

 

[Kwan Dai]

By the way, this guy is 100% a villain and to blame. Is he a victim of circumstance to? He couldn't control himself? Can you control with your dick goes?

If, we apply your logic then no. From what little I know about the details he too was highly intoxicated.

Haven't you ever been too drunk?

Passing out by yourself and sexually assaulting someone are two different things. But you want to start rationalizing rape so our convo is over.

The common denominator here is both were intoxicated and both of their judgment could have been impaired.

That's beside the point though. This is a unique circumstance. This young lady could have protected herself.

But I get it. Good day to you.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Facilitate has a lot different meaning that instrumental, forgive me for rolling with the definition of instrumental. Maybe facilitate wasn't coming to mind and instrumental had to be used idk. But facilitate; (to make easier), leaving your door unlocked does make it easier for a criminal to take advantage of you, but its still quite an error to blame someone for the action of another because they didn't adequately inhibit facilitating them. We are lashing out at non criminal people for making it easier for criminals target them. Which is weird.

Yeah, technically facilitate is alright to use too, but as I said to Maximus, I'd stay away from that term because the connotation when saying a woman facilitated a rape is that she actively helped the racist. That's an unfair way of phrasing things. Women don't help rapist rape them, but sometimes they do make choices that make it possible for the rapist to commit the act. And sometimes the act would occur no matter what the woman does. It's a tricky subject and I do believe it should be addressed with care. I just don't agree that it's wrong for people to instruct women to be careful and mindful of the evil out there. Rape is pretty much the only subject where that seems to be out of line. No one gets mad at parents for telling their kids not to talk to strangers. It's essentially the same thing.

Imo instrumental was a worse word than facilitate lol. I'm leery to call it fault or even facilitate because we cannot control the actions of another, and those words imply some level of control over what someone else does. That is why I chose the word 'responsibility' because that is the only way we can somewhat guard ourselves against moral deviants, it's our duty to ourselves because others cannot control themselves. And it's sad it has to be that way in the first place but what else are we to do?

I don't see why you think that. From Webster's, instrumental just means serving as a crucial means. That fits what happened exactly. If this dude was an opportunistic rapist, her being unconscious is what provided the means for him to attack. Saying that does not apply any culpability on her for the fact that he chose to rape her. It only points out the fact that her state is what opened up the possibility for him to do what he did. The fault for him doing what he did is still 100% on him. If she hadn't of blacked out and he instead knocked her out. Her unconscious state would still have been instrumental in her being raped.

 

[Westie]

By the way, this guy is 100% a villain and to blame. Is he a victim of circumstance to? He couldn't control himself? Can you control with your dick goes?

If, we apply your logic then no. From what little I know about the details he too was highly intoxicated.

Haven't you ever been too drunk?

Passing out by yourself and sexually assaulting someone are two different things. But you want to start rationalizing rape so our convo is over.

The common denominator here is both were intoxicated and both of their judgment could have been impaired.

That's beside the point though. This is a unique circumstance. This young lady could have protected herself.

But I get it. Good day to you.

This young lady could have protected herself but the young man shouldn't have controlled himself get the fuck out of here. You are part of the problem hope you know that.