So It Wasn't Ole Girl's Fault That Brock Turner Took That Ass When She Passed Out Drunk By Dumpster

[BiblicalAtheist]

Is it really MY fault if I forgot to lock my doors and someone steals my stuff? No it's not my fault. I didn't make them take my stuff without permission. And I should not be made to feel guilty(dumb ass didn't lock your door), and I shouldn't be charged with neglect of my personal property. It is not right to punish people for the actions of another. Yeah I should have locked my door, but it doesn't make it my fault I was robbed.

It's weird that we do try and punish or at least make people feel bad that they didn't protect themselves better against criminals, like we have some control over the actions of someone else.

The problem is that they are two different things.

If a chick gets blacked out drunk and gets raped, there are two facts that can be pointed out.

One, the chick blacking out was instrumental in her being assaulted.

Two, the person that assaulted her was wrong and is a criminal.

Now reasonable people should be able to take two things away from the incident.

One, it would be prudent for females (and males) to not let themselves get to the point where they cannot defend themselves in any way.

Two, the rapist should go to jail.

The problem is, you get a lot of people arguing about shit and stuff starts to get crossed. Suddenly, it a suggestion for how women might prevent something happening to them in the future become a criticism against the women who had those things happen to them.

No we can't say 'because you didn't adequately protect yourself(or even take measures), you're partially at fault'. House is being used here as a euphemism for body. Good behaving people, going about their life, doing things they enjoy are not instrumental in the criminal acts others decide to do against them.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

If that were the case, me going to the store, getting robbed in the process, I was instrumental in getting robbed because I went to the store? Sounds silly, but that is what is being implied.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Is it really MY fault if I forgot to lock my doors and someone steals my stuff? No it's not my fault. I didn't make them take my stuff without permission. And I should not be made to feel guilty(dumb ass didn't lock your door), and I shouldn't be charged with neglect of my personal property. It is not right to punish people for the actions of another. Yeah I should have locked my door, but it doesn't make it my fault I was robbed.

It's weird that we do try and punish or at least make people feel bad that they didn't protect themselves better against criminals, like we have some control over the actions of someone else.

The problem is that they are two different things.

If a chick gets blacked out drunk and gets raped, there are two facts that can be pointed out.

One, the chick blacking out was instrumental in her being assaulted.

Two, the person that assaulted her was wrong and is a criminal.

Now reasonable people should be able to take two things away from the incident.

One, it would be prudent for females (and males) to not let themselves get to the point where they cannot defend themselves in any way.

Two, the rapist should go to jail.

The problem is, you get a lot of people arguing about shit and stuff starts to get crossed. Suddenly, it a suggestion for how women might prevent something happening to them in the future become a criticism against the women who had those things happen to them.

No we can't say 'because you didn't adequately protect yourself(or even take measures), you're partially at fault'. House is being used here as a euphemism for body. Good behaving people, going about their life, doing things they enjoy are not instrumental in the criminal acts others decide to do against them.

Where did I say that? See what you're doing. That's exactly my point.

If your house got robbed, and I came over and notice that you didn't have a lock on your door. The obvious thing for me to say is "Hey, you can't lock your door. If in the future you want to reduce your chances of getting robbed, you better get a lock on your door." That's a completely reasonable and helpful thing to point out. You're basically changing it into me saying "Hey, you getting robbed is your own fault. You should have had a lock on your door." That is not at all the same thing.

If that were the case, me going to the store, getting robbed in the process, I was instrumental in getting robbed because I went to the store? Sounds silly, but that is what is being implied.

There is a difference between going to the store and getting blacked out drunk. Is it really necessary for us to act like there aren't levels of risk that can be applied to our actions?

 

[Shuffington]

Why do we assume "hey... A rapist gone rape....so if you get raped.. thats on you.(*shrugs)"

Why are we okay with that ?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Why do we assume "hey... A rapist gone rape....so if you get raped.. thats on you.(*shrugs)"

Why are we okay with that ?

There are bad people in the world: robbers, rapists, murderers, etc... It's not fair, but law abiding citizens have to take measures to protect themselves from those people. Why is it perfectly reasonable to suggest things you can do to reduce the likelihood of you being robbed or murdered, but not reasonable to suggest things that can be done to reduce the chances of being raped?

There is a difference between accepting that the world is an imperfect place and dealing with it and saying "It's ok that bad things happen."

 

[Dupac]

being unconscious does not in any way invite rape.....

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Is it really MY fault if I forgot to lock my doors and someone steals my stuff? No it's not my fault. I didn't make them take my stuff without permission. And I should not be made to feel guilty(dumb ass didn't lock your door), and I shouldn't be charged with neglect of my personal property. It is not right to punish people for the actions of another. Yeah I should have locked my door, but it doesn't make it my fault I was robbed.

It's weird that we do try and punish or at least make people feel bad that they didn't protect themselves better against criminals, like we have some control over the actions of someone else.

The problem is that they are two different things.

If a chick gets blacked out drunk and gets raped, there are two facts that can be pointed out.

One, the chick blacking out was instrumental in her being assaulted.

Two, the person that assaulted her was wrong and is a criminal.

Now reasonable people should be able to take two things away from the incident.

One, it would be prudent for females (and males) to not let themselves get to the point where they cannot defend themselves in any way.

Two, the rapist should go to jail.

The problem is, you get a lot of people arguing about shit and stuff starts to get crossed. Suddenly, it a suggestion for how women might prevent something happening to them in the future become a criticism against the women who had those things happen to them.

No we can't say 'because you didn't adequately protect yourself(or even take measures), you're partially at fault'. House is being used here as a euphemism for body. Good behaving people, going about their life, doing things they enjoy are not instrumental in the criminal acts others decide to do against them.

Where did I say that? See what you're doing. That's exactly my point.

If your house got robbed, and I came over and notice that you didn't have a lock on your door. The obvious thing for me to say is "Hey, you can't lock your door. If in the future you want to reduce your chances of getting robbed, you better get a lock on your door." That's a completely reasonable and helpful thing to point out. You're basically changing it into me saying "Hey, you getting robbed is your own fault. You should have had a lock on your door." That is not at all the same thing.

If that were the case, me going to the store, getting robbed in the process, I was instrumental in getting robbed because I went to the store? Sounds silly, but that is what is being implied.

There is a difference between going to the store and getting blacked out drunk. Is it really necessary for us to act like there aren't levels of risk that can be applied to our actions?

You said "the chick blacking out was instrumental in her being assaulted", and I argued back that is like saying, because I didn't lock my door, I was instrumental in being robbed. Which is not truthful, I didn't make someone walk up to my door and walk in without my permission(stick their dick in me). Someone taking advantage of me while I wasn't home(blacked out) is not me facilitating being robbed. But since there is no other way, I have to lock my door(stay sober) just to make sure I am not taken advantage of? And if I don't, I'm partially at fault?

 

[zzombie]

being unconscious does not in any way invite rape.....

No but you are more likely to be a rape victim if you are unconscious... therefore the responsible thing to do is not drink yourself unconscious

 

[Westie]

being unconscious does not in any way invite rape.....

No but you are more likely to be a rape victim if you are unconscious... therefore the responsible thing to do is not drink yourself unconscious

That is untrue.

 

[zzombie]

being unconscious does not in any way invite rape.....

No but you are more likely to be a rape victim if you are unconscious... therefore the responsible thing to do is not drink yourself unconscious

That is untrue.

okay. let me say it again you are more vulnerable to being a rape victim if you are unconscious because after all you won't be able to run away or fight back

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Wtf does a victim look like?

So when an old woman in a nursing home with dementia is raped, what should she do for prevention? People do horrible things to all types of people, not all rapists have a dress code.

Someone who appears to look weak or submissive. Probably doesn't make much eye contact or stares at the ground mostly. Slouchy posture, timid looking. I'm not saying that makes them vicitm* but if looking strong/confident you're told to "carry your head high, make eye contact, stand up straight, appear like you know your surroundings" weak looking people would look like the opposite of all that.

not sure that works in jail

 

[deadeye]

If a person got so drunk they passed out and woke up without their wallet, would you tell that person not to get so drunk anymore?

Someone stealing your wallet

Someone stealing your vagina

:-|

@BoyPussy

nh

Granted, those are 2 different extremes......but they both resulted from irresponsible behavior.

 

[deadeye]

I'm really disgusted how some of you support rape culture. Then comparing the lack of support for a murder case where the victim was running from the cop to a rape case cause the chick was not black.

What the fuck have society come to? It seems that ppl in here would be okay with their family member getting raped if they were drunk or dressed inappropriately.

How did we get to this point as human beings?

@ShottaDaBeast

How exactly is "rape culture" being supported?

If anything, people are just advocating good judgment and responsible behavior.

 

[deadeye]

When isn't a rape a woman's fault to some of yall? I'll give you real life 3 instances from people I know:

1 woman walking home at night, a man with a knife jumps from the bushes, holds a knife to her throat and rapes her. She was walking home alone at night. Her fault?

1 girl goes home with a guy she was seeing. She was 16, he was in his 20s. He gave her alcohol, she was going to sleep with him. When she asked him to get a condom, he forced himself in her raw, held her down and raped her. Held a gun to her and told her he'd kill her if she said anything. She went home with a grown man. Her fault right?

1 woman had her house broken into by an ex she had recently broken up with. He came in through a window while she was sleep and raped her. Her fault for breaking up with him?

@Westie

It's not the woman's fault in any of those examples.

Now, there's nothing that could've been done to prevent the 1st and 3rd examples.

However, in the second example........again, it's not her fault...........but she might not have been in that situation if she hadn't made a decision to go home with an older man.

That's also the result of a lack of adult supervision as well.

But wait..........weren't you and @Kat in my thread a few weeks back saying that it was nothing wrong with teenage girls having sex???
http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...at-one-of-the-young-ladies-at-my-church-is/p1

Told me to mind my business right?

Maybe the 16yr old who got raped could've benefited from the advice of someone who was concerned about her as much as I'm concerned about the young lady at my church.

But nah, all y'all wanna do is talk about how "creepy" it is for me to be worried about her.

Funny how your opinions can change when it's convenient for you.

So its funny a 16 year old got raped? Teehee told ya so????

Show me where I mentioned adult supervision or an old random nigga not minding his business. You know there wasn't one? You know the person I'm talking about?

Stop being salty people called you a creep.

Like you're really a fucking weirdo taking joy out of a 16 year old being sexually assaulted and held at gunpoint, in an attempt to prove a point on a message board.

In a situation that is nowhere near parallel btw. You're actually a horrible person.

@Westie

Sorry for any misunderstanding.

I wasn't taking any joy out of a 16yr old getting raped.

I was taking joy in exposing your hypocrisy and bird logic.

 

[deadeye]

At least I do.

I do try to teach prevention from being in those situations.

Hold up.....

How is that any different than what I've been saying all along???

 

[deadeye]

Edit.

@Kat

What did you say Kathryn?

 

[deadeye]

Should we have sympathy for the dumb, irresponsible drunkard, alcoholic bitch? Yes we should and our hearts should go out to her because we should be able to get inebriated to the point of passing out by dumpster to sleep off the effects of mild alcohol poisoning unmolested.

Here"s the harsh reality that Westie and these Sav-A-Hoe white knight muthafuckas don't want to admit to. If the idiot, irresponsible, alcoholic, drunkard bitch hadn't black out in some random secluded area than she wouldn't had set herself up to be raped.

And that's another issue people are glossing over. The hoe was by a dumpster, a fuckin' dumpster. Now, I don't know if this degenerate fuck came upon ole girl and dragged her by the dumpster, but come the fuck on, you have to more mindful of your well being.

I could've gave the bitch a half assed break if she were in her car, at the frat house, or on the Meyer Green Lawn, but the bitch was by drunk by a dumpster.

Also, what muthafuckas who are giving ole girl a pass are forgetting is rape is a crime. We've taught since we were wsee lads and lasses that we have protect ourselves from being victims of crime. Like somebody said earlier, we tell our children not to speak to and go off with strangers because we don't want them to get abducted or molested. We don't hang out in gang bang areas because you don't want to be shot or harassed by the police. You lock the doors on your car or house because you don't want muthafuckas taking your shit. As I began this thread, you don't flash money and high side, (especially if you're in sketchy areas or establishments because you don't want to be assaulted, robbed, shot and/or murdered. These are just common sense things to do in order to avoid bad shit from happening.

However, as it concerns domestic violence and rape, we've allowed dumb, emotional, illogical, misandrists to control the narrative and as a result they're doing women a grave, (and potentially fatal) disservice with this, you don't have to protect yourself from crime philosophy.

I have a 16 year old goddaughter, two nieces. I'm going to straight up tell them that any man that isn't a relative or a faggot wants to fuck you. Even he may denied it, fact of the matter is men talk to and come around because they're sexually attracted to you. Therefore, you have to make certain decisions in regards to this namely do you want to be around him.

Also, you have to mindful of how you act, dress, and carry yourself. You also have to accept that that men are bigger and stronger than you. Unfortunately, we live in world with sexual deviants and a man might want to rape you, with that being said, there are certain precautions that you need to take. Never go to a dude's house unless you're prepared to give him some and when you're with a dude if he offers you a drink, make sure that you seen him open it, never leave the drink alone with him, and never get so fucked up, that you can't control yourself.

This is advice that women should be getting, but they don't because it's "victim blaming.". It's a damn shame that in 2016, women put attention whoring and irresponsible behavior above their safety, well being, and lives.

 

[ShottaDaBeast]

I'm really disgusted how some of you support rape culture. Then comparing the lack of support for a murder case where the victim was running from the cop to a rape case cause the chick was not black.

What the fuck have society come to? It seems that ppl in here would be okay with their family member getting raped if they were drunk or dressed inappropriately.

How did we get to this point as human beings?

@ShottaDaBeast

How exactly is "rape culture" being supported?

If anything, people are just advocating good judgment and responsible behavior.

So it wasn't her fault. The dude pursued her after being turned down by her earlier that night.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/10/us/stanford-rape-case-court-documents/

Spoiler

The sentencing memo said that the victim's sister was "caught completely off guard" when Turner tried to kiss her the night of the assault. She alerted a friend after Turner grabbed her waist and later picked him out of a lineup as the "aggressive" man at the party.

Judge in Stanford rape case faces backlash

After being twice rejected by her sister, Turner went after the victim when she was "alone and inebriated."

Turner took the victim to a dimly lit, isolated area and sexually assaulted her behind a dumpster.

"This behavior is not typical assaultive behavior that you find on campus, but it is more akin to a predator who is searching for prey," the prosecutor wrote.

Another woman told investigators that Turner was "grabby" and "touchy," putting his hands on her waist, stomach and upper thighs when she danced with him at a fraternity party about a week before the sexual assault. The woman told police Turner made her uncomfortable.

i'm not sure if you're trolling or serious. read the my previous post and reevaluate your stance on this dude you're caping for.

As for the indirect support of rape culture there is no need to explain. you're a 40+ year old man, if you need to debate on a forum what rape culture is then go speak to your pastor.

 

[deadeye]

I'm really disgusted how some of you support rape culture. Then comparing the lack of support for a murder case where the victim was running from the cop to a rape case cause the chick was not black.

What the fuck have society come to? It seems that ppl in here would be okay with their family member getting raped if they were drunk or dressed inappropriately.

How did we get to this point as human beings?

@ShottaDaBeast

How exactly is "rape culture" being supported?

If anything, people are just advocating good judgment and responsible behavior.

So it wasn't her fault. The dude pursued her after being turned down by her earlier that night.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/10/us/stanford-rape-case-court-documents/

Spoiler

The sentencing memo said that the victim's sister was "caught completely off guard" when Turner tried to kiss her the night of the assault. She alerted a friend after Turner grabbed her waist and later picked him out of a lineup as the "aggressive" man at the party.

Judge in Stanford rape case faces backlash

After being twice rejected by her sister, Turner went after the victim when she was "alone and inebriated."

Turner took the victim to a dimly lit, isolated area and sexually assaulted her behind a dumpster.

"This behavior is not typical assaultive behavior that you find on campus, but it is more akin to a predator who is searching for prey," the prosecutor wrote.

Another woman told investigators that Turner was "grabby" and "touchy," putting his hands on her waist, stomach and upper thighs when she danced with him at a fraternity party about a week before the sexual assault. The woman told police Turner made her uncomfortable.

i'm not sure if you're trolling or serious. read the my previous post and reevaluate your stance on this dude you're caping for.

As for the indirect support of rape culture there is no need to explain. you're a 40+ year old man, if you need to debate on a forum what rape culture is then go speak to your pastor.

Poor comprehension skills.

I didn't say anything about not knowing what rape culture is.......I only asked you to give examples of how it was being supported in this thread.

Since you couldn't do that, you had to resort to personal attacks to cover up your own ineptitude.

 

[ShottaDaBeast]

I'm really disgusted how some of you support rape culture. Then comparing the lack of support for a murder case where the victim was running from the cop to a rape case cause the chick was not black.

What the fuck have society come to? It seems that ppl in here would be okay with their family member getting raped if they were drunk or dressed inappropriately.

How did we get to this point as human beings?

@ShottaDaBeast

How exactly is "rape culture" being supported?

If anything, people are just advocating good judgment and responsible behavior.

So it wasn't her fault. The dude pursued her after being turned down by her earlier that night.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/10/us/stanford-rape-case-court-documents/

Spoiler

The sentencing memo said that the victim's sister was "caught completely off guard" when Turner tried to kiss her the night of the assault. She alerted a friend after Turner grabbed her waist and later picked him out of a lineup as the "aggressive" man at the party.

Judge in Stanford rape case faces backlash

After being twice rejected by her sister, Turner went after the victim when she was "alone and inebriated."

Turner took the victim to a dimly lit, isolated area and sexually assaulted her behind a dumpster.

"This behavior is not typical assaultive behavior that you find on campus, but it is more akin to a predator who is searching for prey," the prosecutor wrote.

Another woman told investigators that Turner was "grabby" and "touchy," putting his hands on her waist, stomach and upper thighs when she danced with him at a fraternity party about a week before the sexual assault. The woman told police Turner made her uncomfortable.

i'm not sure if you're trolling or serious. read the my previous post and reevaluate your stance on this dude you're caping for.

As for the indirect support of rape culture there is no need to explain. you're a 40+ year old man, if you need to debate on a forum what rape culture is then go speak to your pastor.

Poor comprehension skills.

I didn't say anything about not knowing what rape culture is.......I only asked you to give examples of how it was being supported in this thread.

Since you couldn't do that, you had to resort to personal attacks to cover up your own ineptitude.

Dude don't do this... I understood what you were asking. If anyone is inept it would be you. So leave your insults and back and forth you do here with woman to yourselves. Your posting style is disgusting and comes off as an creepy sexist.

Also, I shouldn't have to give example when you could read it yourself. Go suck your momma pussy