So It Wasn't Ole Girl's Fault That Brock Turner Took That Ass When She Passed Out Drunk By Dumpster

[Mciti]

Yall niggas fucking insane. So what the hell would yall had done if you found a chick half dressed drunk in a dark alley Way? It's inhumane to have sex with the unwilling, doesn't matter how she is dressed my nigga. that shit is sick.

 

[deadeye]

I'd like to be able to leave my doors unlocked but unfortunately there are people out there who will take my stuff when I'm not home. So because I know they cannot help themselves, for whatever reason they have, I have to lock my stuff up.

A lock doesn't always stop a thief from breaking into someones home and taking their stuff.

But they do keep " honest" people honest

They keep out people who don't have a reason to break in. However if my house was the only house that had food and some honest person needed food to feed their kids but I turned them away, bet your ass they're breakin in.

Sounds like you're saying males deemed "undesirable" NEED to rape...strange argument to make

There may be some truth to that.

It might not be a need, but it could be strong urge to do so.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

No one is playing devils advocate, no one is defending the rapist.

Just saying, if you get drunk enough to pass out around strangers and get raped; there has to be some personal accoutability.

The very notion that you "should be able to pass out anywhere and wake up whole" is some fairytale shit.

Of course there's personal accountability but when it comes to rape that really ain't the time to tell somebody what they may have done wrong in a situation. It's really playing captain obvious for no real reason. Of course you shouldn't get blackout drunk and pass out in public...but raping somebody is a bigger offense than that so that why's it kind of pointless to try and play tit for tat with the personal accountability game on this one

But maybe that's not why this convo is happening. Maybe it's happening because somewhere in the psyche of mankind it needs to happen. The IC isn't the only place these thoughts are occurring. I would bet there are millions of people with these thought rolling around in their head. Is it her fault? Does she have some responsibility? Why is it happening in the first place? Why don't we love each other more but choose to hurt each other? Does it come from the home? The system? The topic isn't just kept to the realm of the specific question is it her fault.

The convo is not good when it becomes a shit storm of shit just flying around, but conversations hammering out thoughts can be therapeutic and shouldn't be shunned or shut down, imo.

 

[7figz]

This perception of only one party being at fault might just be wrong.

Guy violates her, commits a crime. (His fault)

Girl gets wasted and puts her health and safety at risk. (Her fault)

She's still a victim, he's still a criminal and they both have faults. Or am I missing something ?

Shit, if she OD'd and died (and never got raped) - I think everybody would clearly say it's her fault.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

This perception of only one party being at fault might just be wrong.

Guy violates her, commits a crime. (His fault)

Girl gets wasted and puts her health and safety at risk. (Her fault)

She's still a victim, he's still a criminal and they both have faults. Or am I missing something ?

Shit, if she OD'd and died (and never got raped) - I think everybody would clearly say it's her fault.

We assume them to be responsible for their own safety when we warn them(not to get passed out drunk)*, but we never directly say it's partly your fault, and we especially don't say it to them if it ever happens. Maybe that's where the intense guilt comes from?

 

[7figz]

This perception of only one party being at fault might just be wrong.

Guy violates her, commits a crime. (His fault)

Girl gets wasted and puts her health and safety at risk. (Her fault)

She's still a victim, he's still a criminal and they both have faults. Or am I missing something ?

Shit, if she OD'd and died (and never got raped) - I think everybody would clearly say it's her fault.

We assume them to be responsible for their own safety when we warn them(not to get passed out drunk)*, but we never directly say it's partly your fault, and we especially don't say it to them if it ever happens. Maybe that's where the intense guilt comes from?

Which guilt are you referring to ?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

This perception of only one party being at fault might just be wrong.

Guy violates her, commits a crime. (His fault)

Girl gets wasted and puts her health and safety at risk. (Her fault)

She's still a victim, he's still a criminal and they both have faults. Or am I missing something ?

Shit, if she OD'd and died (and never got raped) - I think everybody would clearly say it's her fault.

We assume them to be responsible for their own safety when we warn them(not to get passed out drunk)*, but we never directly say it's partly your fault, and we especially don't say it to them if it ever happens. Maybe that's where the intense guilt comes from?

Which guilt are you referring to ?

The guilt, I would guess, she feels for being raped.

Women not in that position feel guilt, like they could have somehow done something different and it wouldn't have happened guilt. We teach women that they hold some responsibility in their own safety when we teach them ways to protect themselves against would be rapists, and then if it ever happens, all those things come flooding back to the mind and guilt sets in. In the beginning we assume them to have some responsibility, but then if it happens we tell them 'no no, it's not your fault'.

 

[Bussy_Getta]

Smh

 

[Copper]

Horrible thread

Horrible thread starter

 

[Will Munny]

If a person got so drunk they passed out and woke up without their wallet, would you tell that person not to get so drunk anymore?

 

[Bussy_Getta]

If a person got so drunk they passed out and woke up without their wallet, would you tell that person not to get so drunk anymore?

Someone stealing your wallet

Someone stealing your vagina

:-|

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

If a person got so drunk they passed out and woke up without their wallet, would you tell that person not to get so drunk anymore?

Someone stealing your wallet

Someone stealing your vagina

:-|

But in both cases something is being stolen. Obviously your sense of personal security is a much worse thing to have stolen, but the point is the same. Deep down we do blame her. We say we don't when we tell her afterwards it's not her fault, but in the beginning we are indirectly holding her accountable for what happens to her. Even if she wasn't drunk, women still feel they brought it on themselves. And its true, she should be able to drink, dress, flirt without the fear of being raped, but we start off teaching them, because we have too because others don't want to be good humans, that they have responsibility in what happens to them.

 

[Will Munny]

If a person got so drunk they passed out and woke up without their wallet, would you tell that person not to get so drunk anymore?

Someone stealing your wallet

Someone stealing your vagina

:-|

So at which point does the severity of the crime absolve the victim of using common sense? How about when alcohol is in play?

Answer the question.

Also, your username when used in combination with your profile picture is maybe the most disturbing thing I've seen on the IC... And I was here for the Aquafina Floe era....

 

[jono]

Two days, two rape topics. The usual suspects making the usual nonsense arguments

 

[ShottaDaBeast]

I'm really disgusted how some of you support rape culture. Then comparing the lack of support for a murder case where the victim was running from the cop to a rape case cause the chick was not black.

What the fuck have society come to? It seems that ppl in here would be okay with their family member getting raped if they were drunk or dressed inappropriately.

How did we get to this point as human beings?

 

[MallyG]

Cant wait till fags start using the logic yall use when the inevitable takes place.

And it will be within your lifetime.

I'm rollin' @ the bcotton cosign. lolololol

 

[CapitalB]

I'm really disgusted how some of you support rape culture. Then comparing the lack of support for a murder case where the victim was running from the cop to a rape case cause the chick was not black.

What the fuck have society come to? It seems that ppl in here would be okay with their family member getting raped if they were drunk or dressed inappropriately.

How did we get to this point as human beings?

iunno myG..

women in my family dont conduct themselves like idiots..

and say they did and that was the consequence knowin the women in my family theyd call her a fuckin idiot. lol

dont no suckas live here..

 

[Westie]

I'm really disgusted how some of you support rape culture. Then comparing the lack of support for a murder case where the victim was running from the cop to a rape case cause the chick was not black.

What the fuck have society come to? It seems that ppl in here would be okay with their family member getting raped if they were drunk or dressed inappropriately.

How did we get to this point as human beings?

iunno myG..

women in my family dont conduct themselves like idiots..

and say they did and that was the consequence knowin the women in my family theyd call her a fuckin idiot. lol

dont no suckas live here..

You have a family member that's been raped tho.

People I detailed

- 1 had dementia

- 1 was walking home from work

- 1 was in her bed sleeping

- I'll call the last one an idiot ok.

What about any of these women's clothing or demeanor attracted a rapist?

 

[Westie]

When isn't a rape a woman's fault to some of yall? I'll give you real life 3 instances from people I know:

1 woman walking home at night, a man with a knife jumps from the bushes, holds a knife to her throat and rapes her. She was walking home alone at night. Her fault?

1 girl goes home with a guy she was seeing. She was 16, he was in his 20s. He gave her alcohol, she was going to sleep with him. When she asked him to get a condom, he forced himself in her raw, held her down and raped her. Held a gun to her and told her he'd kill her if she said anything. She went home with a grown man. Her fault right?

1 woman had her house broken into by an ex she had recently broken up with. He came in through a window while she was sleep and raped her. Her fault for breaking up with him?

@Westie

It's not the woman's fault in any of those examples.

Now, there's nothing that could've been done to prevent the 1st and 3rd examples.

However, in the second example........again, it's not her fault...........but she might not have been in that situation if she hadn't made a decision to go home with an older man.

That's also the result of a lack of adult supervision as well.

But wait..........weren't you and @Kat in my thread a few weeks back saying that it was nothing wrong with teenage girls having sex???
http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...at-one-of-the-young-ladies-at-my-church-is/p1

Told me to mind my business right?

Maybe the 16yr old who got raped could've benefited from the advice of someone who was concerned about her as much as I'm concerned about the young lady at my church.

But nah, all y'all wanna do is talk about how "creepy" it is for me to be worried about her.

Funny how your opinions can change when it's convenient for you.

So its funny a 16 year old got raped? Teehee told ya so????

Show me where I mentioned adult supervision or an old random nigga not minding his business. You know there wasn't one? You know the person I'm talking about?

Stop being salty people called you a creep.

Like you're really a fucking weirdo taking joy out of a 16 year old being sexually assaulted and held at gunpoint, in an attempt to prove a point on a message board.

In a situation that is nowhere near parallel btw. You're actually a horrible person.

 

[Kat]

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