Should Kobe be the MVP?

[MR.CJ]

That 2008 Cavs squad sucked. They got by because the East was so weak. That 2006 Laker squad could've won 50-60 games playing in the East then.

But that 2009 Cavs squad......Fuck outta here. Shaq, Mo, Antoine, Boobie, Delonte & Sebastian Telfair. I'd trade Kwame for them niggas in a heartbeat.

the 08 cavs never made it to the nba finals.

the east wasn't that weak

 

[yroholla]

Fact...Lakers in 05-06 and 06-07 none of the starters started or were start worthy when they left LA....cant say the same for the Cavs squad the last two years of LeBrons career there....Mo Williams still starts, shit even Ilgauskas still started some games for Miami, Jamison can start on most teams, Shaq as well, Delonte, Gibson, Varejao....are we really comparing the "Bum-ness" of each team right now?

 

[MR.CJ]

Fact...Lakers in 05-06 and 06-07 none of the starters started or were start worthy when they left LA....cant say the same for the Cavs squad the last two years of LeBrons career there....Mo Williams still starts, shit even Ilgauskas still started some games for Miami, Jamison can start on most teams, Shaq as well, Delonte, Gibson, Varejao....are we really comparing the "Bum-ness" of each team right now?

some of those players are still playing in cleveland.

of course they are playing now

 

[ReppinTime]

What Dleaguers did the Cavs have starting you fuckin morons, especially at a position as important as PG. Do niggas need to list the career avg's for these players the stars were surrounded with. It is not close, that Lakers squad was horrible and in the toughest western conference ever and you niggas trying to compare that to the fuckin soft ass east that was even softer then than it is now.

and the cavs dealt with injuries to some of their best players which was a big part of why their record tanked to the extent it did.

Any nigga trying to reach for that comparison is showing their extreme bias. Clearly have agendas.

 

[Maalik]

fucking all start talent right there

bron was a fool for leaving!!!

Cmon nigga....Im looking at both rosters right now. 2008 Cavs were bad but..yall got by because the east was weak. In 2009....the Cavs had help.

Rk Player Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS

1 LeBron James 24 81 81 37.7 9.7 19.9 .489 1.6 4.7 .344 7.3 9.4 .780 1.3 6.3 7.6 7.2 1.7 1.1 3.0 1.7 28.4

2 Mo Williams 26 81 81 35.0 6.5 13.9 .467 2.3 5.2 .436 2.6 2.8 .912 0.6 2.9 3.4 4.1 0.9 0.1 2.2 2.7 17.8

3 Zydrunas Ilgauskas 33 65 65 27.2 5.3 11.1 .472 0.2 0.6 .385 2.1 2.7 .799 2.4 5.1 7.5 1.0 0.4 1.3 1.4 2.8 12.9

4 Delonte West 25 64 64 33.6 4.5 9.8 .457 1.4 3.6 .399 1.4 1.7 .833 0.5 2.7 3.2 3.5 1.5 0.2 1.4 2.0 11.7

5 Anderson Varejao 26 81 42 28.5 3.3 6.2 .536 0.0 0.0 .000 1.9 3.1 .616 2.0 5.1 7.2 1.0 0.9 0.8 1.0 3.0 8.6

6 Daniel Gibson 22 75 0 23.9 2.7 7.0 .391 1.4 3.8 .382 0.9 1.1 .767 0.4 1.7 2.1 1.8 0.6 0.2 0.8 2.2 7.8

Rk Player Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS

1 LeBron James 25 76 76 39.0 10.1 20.1 .503 1.7 5.1 .333 7.8 10.2 .767 0.9 6.4 7.3 8.6 1.6 1.0 3.4 1.6 29.7

2 Antawn Jamison 33 25 23 32.4 6.5 13.4 .485 1.1 3.2 .342 1.7 3.3 .506 1.5 6.2 7.7 1.3 1.1 0.5 1.2 2.7 15.8

3 Mo Williams 27 69 68 34.2 5.5 12.4 .442 2.3 5.4 .429 2.6 2.9 .894 0.4 2.6 3.0 5.3 1.0 0.3 2.5 2.5 15.8

4 Shaquille O'Neal 37 53 53 23.4 4.9 8.7 .566 0.0 0.0 .000 2.1 4.3 .496 1.8 4.9 6.7 1.5 0.3 1.2 2.0 3.2 12.0

5 Sebastian Telfair 24 4 0 19.3 4.0 8.8 .457 0.5 2.3 .222 1.3 1.5 .833 0.0 1.0 1.0 3.0 0.5 0.0 1.5 1.5 9.8

6 Delonte West 26 60 3 25.0 3.2 7.3 .445 0.4 1.3 .325 1.9 2.4 .810 0.5 2.3 2.8 3.3 0.9 0.5 1.5 1.4 8.8

7 Anderson Varejao 27 76 7 28.5 3.5 6.1 .572 0.0 0.1 .200 1.5 2.3 .663 2.5 5.1 7.6 1.1 0.9 0.9 0.9 2.9 8.6

8 J.J. Hickson 21 81 73 20.9 3.6 6.4 .554 0.0 0.0 .000 1.4 2.0 .681 1.4 3.6 4.9 0.5 0.4 0.5 1.1 1.6 8.5

9 Zydrunas Ilgauskas 34 64 6 20.9 3.0 6.8 .443 0.2 0.4 .478 1.2 1.6 .743 1.8 3.6 5.4 0.8 0.2 0.8 1.0 2.9 7.4

1 Kobe Bryant 27 80 80 41.0 12.2 27.2 .450 2.3 6.5 .347 8.7 10.2 .850 0.9 4.4 5.3 4.5 1.8 0.4 3.1 2.9 35.4

2 Lamar Odom 26 80 80 40.3 5.6 11.6 .481 1.0 2.7 .372 2.7 3.9 .690 2.3 7.0 9.2 5.5 0.9 0.8 2.7 3.2 14.8

3 Smush Parker 24 82 82 33.8 4.2 9.5 .447 1.5 4.0 .366 1.5 2.2 .694 0.5 2.9 3.3 3.7 1.7 0.2 1.8 2.6 11.5

4 Chris Mihm 26 59 56 26.1 3.9 7.8 .501 0.0 0.0 2.4 3.4 .716 2.3 4.0 6.3 1.0 0.3 1.2 1.4 3.6 10.2

5 Brian Cook 25 81 46 19.0 3.2 6.3 .511 0.4 1.0 .429 1.0 1.2 .832 1.1 2.3 3.4 0.9 0.5 0.4 0.8 2.5 7.9

6 Kwame Brown 23 72 49 27.5 2.8 5.4 .526 0.0 0.0 .000 1.8 3.3 .545 2.5 4.0 6.6 1.0 0.4 0.6 1.4 2.7 7.4

7 Devean George 28 71 5 21.7 2.4 6.0 .400 0.7 2.3 .313 0.8 1.2 .674 1.2 2.7 3.9 1.0 0.9 0.5 0.8 2.2 6.3

8 Luke Walton 25 69 6 19.3 2.0 4.8 .412 0.3 0.8 .327 0.8 1.1 .750 1.3 2.3 3.6 2.3 0.6 0.2 1.1 1.7 5.0

 

[Maalik]

What Dleaguers did the Cavs have starting you fuckin morons, especially at a position as important as PG. Do niggas need to list the avg's for these players the stars were surrounded with. It is not close, that Lakers squad was horrible and in the toughest western conference ever and you niggas trying to compare that to the fuckin soft ass east that was even softer then than it is now.

and the cavs dealt with injuries to some of their best players which was a big part of why their record tanked to the extent it did.

Any nigga trying to reach for that comparison is showing their extreme bias. Clearly have agendas.

Its crazy...don't even know why im arguing. Niggas is biased.

 

[yroholla]

some of those players are still playing in cleveland.

of course they are playing now

I kno some are still in Cleveland....i made it a point to name those players who are still on the Cavs to show that these are still start worthy players....I have no doubts that at least jamison and Varejao can start on most teams in the NBA....if u disagree u must be just sayin stuff to keep the argument alive

 

[MR.CJ]

I kno some are still in Cleveland....i made it a point to name those players who are still on the Cavs to show that these are still start worthy players....I have no doubts that at least jamison and Varejao can start on most teams in the NBA....if u disagree u must be just sayin stuff to keep the argument alive

depends on the team

 

[Maalik]

Basically were supposed to give a shit that kobe scored 81 and averaged 35 on a team that he asked be built around him

A one dimesional scorer who averages went up but the lakers missed the playoffs(3rd time ever) had their lowest wins since 1992-94 after magic retired

Great logic thats definitely a mvp resume

Nigga log the fuck off...Kobe told Shaq to bounce. Like he knew Rick Fox, Payton, Fisher, Malone was gonna bail out too. Your whole life is agenda/spin.

LOL @ anyone who debates with this clown. If I aint follow Kobe's career, I'd agree with half of the half-baked shit Tommy says

 

[Maalik]

Should Michael Jordan have won the MVP in 86 & 88?

Season↓ Age↓ Team↓ GP↓ GS↓ MIN↓ FG%↓ 3P%↓ FT%↓ OFF↓ DEF↓ REB↓ AST↓ STL↓ BLK↓ TOV↓ PF↓ PTS↓

1986–87 23 Chicago 82 82 40.0 .482 .182 .857 2.0 3.2 5.2 4.6 2.88 1.52 3.32 2.9 37.1

1988–89 25 Chicago 81 81 40.2 .538 .276 .850 1.8 6.2 8.0 8.0 2.89 .80 3.58 3.0 32.5

Season↓ Conference Division Finish↓ Wins↓ Losses↓ Win%

1986–87 Eastern Central 5th ¤ 40 42 .488

1988–89 Eastern Central 5th ¤ 47 35 .573

 

[BDBIID]

This D.Rose award..mane

Kobe my fav player but he ain't the only reason the lakers have the record after the all-star break. It comes down to a lot of components.

1.Ron is finally playing well and not like a retard

2.Lamar is playing more consistent

3.Bynum playing with a Fire

Kobe was playing well all year for the most part, the other guys stepping up is the reason of LA going on this run. And that is no slight at 24.

 

[MR.CJ]

Should Michael Jordan have won the MVP in 86 & 88?

Season↓ Age↓ Team↓ GP↓ GS↓ MIN↓ FG%↓ 3P%↓ FT%↓ OFF↓ DEF↓ REB↓ AST↓ STL↓ BLK↓ TOV↓ PF↓ PTS↓

1986–87 23 Chicago 82 82 40.0 .482 .182 .857 2.0 3.2 5.2 4.6 2.88 1.52 3.32 2.9 37.1

1988–89 25 Chicago 81 81 40.2 .538 .276 .850 1.8 6.2 8.0 8.0 2.89 .80 3.58 3.0 32.5

Season↓ Conference Division Finish↓ Wins↓ Losses↓ Win%

1986–87 Eastern Central 5th ¤ 40 42 .488

1988–89 Eastern Central 5th ¤ 47 35 .573

no and magic deserved it.

the bulls didn't have 50 wins in those 2 years, thats why jordan won it in the 87-88 season

 

[yroholla]

basically were supposed to give a shit that kobe scored 81 and averaged 35 on a team that he asked be built around him

a one dimesional scorer who averages went up but the lakers missed the playoffs(3rd time ever) had their lowest wins since 1992-94 after magic retired

great logic thats definitely a mvp resume

lmfao.................

 

[MR.CJ]

This D.Rose award..mane

Kobe my fav player but he ain't the only reason the lakers have the record after the all-star break. It comes down to a lot of components.

1.Ron is finally playing well and not like a retard

2.Lamar is playing more consistent

3.Bynum playing with a Fire

Kobe was playing well all year for the most part, the other guys stepping up is the reason of LA going on this run. And that is no slight at 24.

yep.............

 

[peagle05]

This D.Rose award..mane

Kobe my fav player but he ain't the only reason the lakers have the record after the all-star break. It comes down to a lot of components.

1.Ron is finally playing well and not like a retard
2.Lamar is playing more consistent
3.Bynum playing with a Fire

Kobe was playing well all year for the most part, the other guys stepping up is the reason of LA going on this run. And that is no slight at 24.

...........

 

[yroholla]

Btw rose currently has 34 points and 10 assists bulls on the verge of winning again Noah out again

56-20

Can you explain how Kobe is a one dimensional scorer tho???

 

[Maalik]

Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1986-87 27 LAL NBA 80 80 36.3 8.5 16.4 .522 0.1 0.5 .205 6.7 7.9 .848 1.5 4.8 6.3 12.2 1.7 0.5 3.8 2.1 23.9
1988-89 29 LAL NBA 77 77 37.5 7.5 14.8 .509 0.8 2.4 .314 6.7 7.3 .911 1.4 6.4 7.9 12.8 1.8 0.3 4.1 2.2 22.5

No.........Magic didn't deserve it. His numbers were shit compared to Jordan's & a prime reason why weighing team records so heavily is retarded. The better player is the better player. And contribution to a team's success is relative, considering how good the team was to begin with. A star taking a 12-70 team to a 42-40 record = A star taking a 42-40 team to a 72-10 record. LOL @ Jordan lovers saying Jordan didn't deserve the MVP in 1987-1989 because it would prove my point about Kobe deserving it in 2006-2007. Lying ass niggas.

 

[yroholla]

Can someone explain how Kobe is a one dimensional scorer??? Tommy Im talkin to you by the way...

 

[MR.CJ]

Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS

1986-87 27 LAL NBA 80 80 36.3 8.5 16.4 .522 0.1 0.5 .205 6.7 7.9 .848 1.5 4.8 6.3 12.2 1.7 0.5 3.8 2.1 23.9

1988-89 29 LAL NBA 77 77 37.5 7.5 14.8 .509 0.8 2.4 .314 6.7 7.3 .911 1.4 6.4 7.9 12.8 1.8 0.3 4.1 2.2 22.5

No.........Magic didn't deserve it. His numbers were shit compared to Jordan's & a prime reason why weighing team records so heavily is retarded. The better player is the better player. And contribution to a team's success is relative, considering how good the team was to begin with. A star taking a 10-70 team to a 40-40 record = A star taking a 40-40 team to a 70-10 record. LOL @ Jordan lovers saying Jordan didn't deserve the MVP in 1987-1989 because it would prove my point about Kobe deserving it in 2006-2007. Lying ass niggas.

like i said, the bulls didn't have 50 wins. just like the lakers didn't have 50 wins.

thats why kobe didn't win it or jordan

so who lying?

 

[TRILLip Brooks]

if rose doesn't win, it will be the biggest robbery since mj in 97