Stiff;8232722 said:
ThaNubianGod;8231823 said:
J.J._Evans;8231802 said:
ThaNubianGod;8231779 said:
I'm sick of this #blacklivesmatter movement honestly. It has no focus and we spend more time debating the term....than the actually issues. It's just become a trendy thing for people to say, while they do absolutely nothing about it....other than criticize someone like SAS on forums or social networks.
Plus SAS is right. How can you use a phrase like that, and not make black on black crime one of the main focuses. Back in the 90's there were some real movement to end BvB violence across our culture, but that fell off by 2000. Now it's taboo to even bring up the subject.
The old culture was about a movement through unity
But now......it's all about the individual, money, and violence.
Gangsta rap has been popular since the '90s.
Do rap lyrics negatively mold some young minds and some weak minds?.....Yes, I believe so.
Unfortunately there are too many prominent black and white people making huge money from hip hop, so I doubt that we will ever have an honest conversation about it.
"Gangsta rap" of old actually had a message. What you see now is nothing more than a glorified stereotype.
And I never said hiphop molds young minds, so stop reaching. Hiphop is nothing more than a reflection of our culture, which should tell you the current problems.
The big problem is that socially, anyone who's black and speaks on BvB crime, gets called out. It's a joke, a sad joke.
That's bullshit and you know it. Anybody who speaks on Black on Black crime in the context of trying to minimize police brutality gets called out as they should.
Had SAS just said his peace about violence in the black community (perhaps coupled with some steps he plans to take to help) nobody would've knocked it.
The Black community has a litany of issues facing it, both external and internal. Anytime you want to come and try to delegitimize the claims of people who are riled up to fight external issues by bringing up internal issues you're going to look disingenuous like SAS does.
Why wasn't SAS talking about fighting against Black on Black crime before police got under scrutiny like they are?? Same reason Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh weren't.
The issue isn't whether or not they care about black on black crime. The argument is that white/non-black people killing black people is no worse than black people killing black people so if you 'complain' about white police killing black people then you should complain just as much about black people killing other black people ; the former isn't especially bad or notable. You can be a hardcore carnivore and point out that it's hypocritical to criticize people for eating cats and dogs in cultures where that's the norm and say nothing about Westerners eating pigs, chickens and cows. It's not minimizing police brutality, it's saying some people have a bias against white officers that makes them regard it as worse when it isn't. I think it works better for white civilian-black civilian crime or the assumed racial aspect of police brutality cases if not unjust police-civilian violence.
I agree the situation is different because police officers are less likely to be reprimanded for their behavior so other police officers see this and realize they have less of an incentive not to kill people. Police officers have certain legal rights that civilians don't and those rights are coupled with responsibilities, I understand why people hold them to a higher standard because they voluntarily took on the role of being an authority figure but still, I don't think that police-civilian violence is
fundamentally worse than civilian-civilian violence. When they abuse their authority they should be treated like everyone else. It's understandable that that they feel endangered in certain situations but that should be taken into consideration when either civilians or police officers act in what they think was self-defense.
If you resent white people or police officers as a group for the decisions that some of them make then you have to resent black people as a group for the decisions that some of them make. Again, police brutality is a a somewhat different problem than civilian on civilian crime but as far as resenting police officers as a group is concerned, it doesn't make sense to resent a civilian who kills someone you care about less because they will be punished for it or because they have no legal right to use any non-defensive force or violence. It's not really fair to assume that everyone involved in anti-police brutality campaigns isn't as outraged with black on black crime or has some particular issue with white police officers but that's probably why the argument comes up. Making police brutality a black or minority problem is another issue.
What about American on American crime when people are talking about ISIS?
Where is the mention of women on women violence when discussing domestic violence?
What about children fighting each other when they are victims of child abuse?
See how stupid all of that sounds?
It is inconsistent for Americans to regard anti-American terrorist attacks carried about by Islamic extremists as worse than American on American violence. They should complain about it and they can resent individual terrorists but anti-Arab or Muslim prejudice makes no sense when non-Arab/Muslim-Americans kills other non-Arab/Muslim Americans every day and for reasons other than religion. They should just oppose unnecessary violence in general.
Men and women suffer from domestic abuse at roughly the same rates but it doesn't make sense for women to resent men as a group when women hurt women and vice versa or to portray domestic violence as a male crime when some women perpetuate it or rape as a women's issue when men are sometimes the victims of it.
We generally don't consider children to be moral agents and that's why they're not held to the same standard (as agents).
The topic of black lives matter is about the justice system when cops get away with killing innocent blacks or using lethal force when it is not necessary
Cops use unnecessary force and violence with non-black people as well.
I don't know why I wasted so much time on this, it was frustrating.