Rewriting Evolution ~ Darwin was wrong

[zombie]

God made evolution, both god and evolution can live in harmony.

you are confused, mon! are you a atheist, or are you a christian.... you playing the fence. pick a side and stick to it.

by your logic, 1st version of man was damn near a monkey. and Jesus is a caveman or something close.

no wonder you think babylon is a "mental state". your understanding is sorely lacking.

I am a christian i am just not as closed minded and clearly uneducated as you are and can you please stop with the "mon"shit .I never said babylon was a mental state dummy i said it was a demonic force that inhabits the whole world. there are over nine different major branches of christianity we don't all have the exact same theology.

You seem to follow what i call childlike and infantile evangelical branch that is so popular in america today.

far from a child.. i got different speeds, like you suppose to. when im dealing with ignorant MFers, i tend to act up a lil more than i would normally.

and atheists, are as ignorant as they come.

i pray to God that he blesses me with more patience dealing with ignorance.. atheists really test my blood level. if i can talk to a atheist without my blood boiling, then i can talk to anybody.

I am not an atheist, so relax . when you read the bible you have to think . evolution may explain how our physical bodies came to be but who you are from a spiritual standpoint is not really your physical body, we are made in god's image but what is the image of a spirit?

The image is something in the very nature of humans, in the way in which we are made. It refers to something a human is rather than something a human has or does. By virtue of being human, one is in the image of God.

Also, the image refers to the elements in the human makeup that enable fulfillment of human destiny. The image is the powers of personality that make humans, like God, beings capable of interacting with other persons, of thinking and reflecting, and of willing freely.

Yes but what is really a human?? All the things you listed do not oppose evolution, what you are basically saying here is that the image of god is the human spirit which can also be called human consciousness which i believe to be correct. Still this does not exclude evolution.

If you really want to break it down, there were only 3 "true" humans that ever lived on planet earth.

Adam and Eve before the fall

and

Jesus Christ

All 3 of them lived how humans were intended to live. Prior to the fall in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve had perfect fellowship with the Father. Jesus Christ, likewise, had perfect fellowship with the Father.

Jesus Christ obeyed the Father perfectly. Adam and Eve didn't thus the reason why the fall happened.

Also, Jesus Christ always displayed love for humans.

You see, God intended that a similar sense of fellowship, obedience, and love characterize humans relationship to God, and that humans be bound with one another in love. We are completely human only when manifesting these characteristics. And this has only been achieved by Adam and Eve before the fall, and Jesus Christ.

Evolution on the other hand cares nothing about love, obedience, or fellowship. Why? Because God is erased from the equation. When that is done love is out the door(survival of the fittest), obedience is non-existent (do as thou wilt), and fellowship is scoffed at (hating God and fellow man).

None of what you just posted proves that god could not simply be guiding evolution, he created the environment evolution happens primarily as a reaction to the environment so since a god would know all possible reactions he could be the force behind our evolution. This is the reason why the answers to how we came to be in existence won't be answered by biology. biology is just a reaction to the universe existing, if science can find out and understand how reality came into being then and only then will science have it's questions about the existence or non-existence of god answered. Physics is stuck at the quantum level, where we have even less real proof and where there is even more loopholes and guesswork. currently we think that all matter exists because of quantum fluctuations in a vaccum which is the same as saying that the universe exist because it is possible for it to.

 

[DMTxTHC]

I dont see the mold on my cheese grow legs and become aware of its existence and start to raid my fridge.

That would be GOAT..

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Oh yeah where did the first atom even come from? It just popped out of thin air and exploded? Lol. Evolution, natural selection, Big Bang got more holes in it than Swiss cheese. The pride of man really brings them down to a low level of being and thinking. Tragic.

 

[Ajackson17]

This is why we can't have nice threads. The name calling and telling people about their level of thinking, etc is really just petty.

 

[DMTxTHC]

Oh yeah where did the first atom even come from? It just popped out of thin air and exploded? Lol. Evolution, natural selection, Big Bang got more holes in it than Swiss cheese. The pride of man really brings them down to a low level of being and thinking. Tragic.

LOL, where did God come from?.. creationism has mad holes in it b..

And how can it be a low-level of thinking when research on this topic has been going on for over a century?..

 

[BoldChild]

 

[Melanin_Enriched]

We have rainbows because it represents a promise from our skydaddy to not flood the planet again.

-High level thinking.

 

[zombie]

Alright somebody with knowledge of this evolutionist theory explain this to me. How is it that we have many different species of organism that can exist in the exact same habitat living under the exact same conditions? It seems to me the theory of evolution would say that every organism that lives in the trees in the forest would evolve into the same species. Every organism that lives in desert would become another etc.

Why would there be a Lion, antelope, cheetah, wildebeest etc all in the same Serengeti when they are all living under the same conditions? Wouldn't they have evolved into the same thing?

They don't evolve into the same animal because one populations way of survival is not the same as the others, example : if you eat meat and i eat grass then we become different from each other. Also if i mutate a slight difference then my children pass it on and over time me and you end up looking very different especially, if i move somewhere else. You may be forced to live in a pack i may be forced to live and hunt alone that's why lions and leopards became different even though they started from a common ancestor.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

God made evolution, both god and evolution can live in harmony.

you are confused, mon! are you a atheist, or are you a christian.... you playing the fence. pick a side and stick to it.

by your logic, 1st version of man was damn near a monkey. and Jesus is a caveman or something close.

no wonder you think babylon is a "mental state". your understanding is sorely lacking.

I am a christian i am just not as closed minded and clearly uneducated as you are and can you please stop with the "mon"shit .I never said babylon was a mental state dummy i said it was a demonic force that inhabits the whole world. there are over nine different major branches of christianity we don't all have the exact same theology.

You seem to follow what i call childlike and infantile evangelical branch that is so popular in america today.

far from a child.. i got different speeds, like you suppose to. when im dealing with ignorant MFers, i tend to act up a lil more than i would normally.

and atheists, are as ignorant as they come.

i pray to God that he blesses me with more patience dealing with ignorance.. atheists really test my blood level. if i can talk to a atheist without my blood boiling, then i can talk to anybody.

I am not an atheist, so relax . when you read the bible you have to think . evolution may explain how our physical bodies came to be but who you are from a spiritual standpoint is not really your physical body, we are made in god's image but what is the image of a spirit?

The image is something in the very nature of humans, in the way in which we are made. It refers to something a human is rather than something a human has or does. By virtue of being human, one is in the image of God.

Also, the image refers to the elements in the human makeup that enable fulfillment of human destiny. The image is the powers of personality that make humans, like God, beings capable of interacting with other persons, of thinking and reflecting, and of willing freely.

Yes but what is really a human?? All the things you listed do not oppose evolution, what you are basically saying here is that the image of god is the human spirit which can also be called human consciousness which i believe to be correct. Still this does not exclude evolution.

If you really want to break it down, there were only 3 "true" humans that ever lived on planet earth.

Adam and Eve before the fall

and

Jesus Christ

All 3 of them lived how humans were intended to live. Prior to the fall in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve had perfect fellowship with the Father. Jesus Christ, likewise, had perfect fellowship with the Father.

Jesus Christ obeyed the Father perfectly. Adam and Eve didn't thus the reason why the fall happened.

Also, Jesus Christ always displayed love for humans.

You see, God intended that a similar sense of fellowship, obedience, and love characterize humans relationship to God, and that humans be bound with one another in love. We are completely human only when manifesting these characteristics. And this has only been achieved by Adam and Eve before the fall, and Jesus Christ.

Evolution on the other hand cares nothing about love, obedience, or fellowship. Why? Because God is erased from the equation. When that is done love is out the door(survival of the fittest), obedience is non-existent (do as thou wilt), and fellowship is scoffed at (hating God and fellow man).

None of what you just posted proves that god could not simply be guiding evolution, he created the environment evolution happens primarily as a reaction to the environment so since a god would know all possible reactions he could be the force behind our evolution. This is the reason why the answers to how we came to be in existence won't be answered by biology. biology is just a reaction to the universe existing, if science can find out and understand how reality came into being then and only then will science have it's questions about the existence or non-existence of god answered. Physics is stuck at the quantum level, where we have even less real proof and where there is even more loopholes and guesswork. currently we think that all matter exists because of quantum fluctuations in a vaccum which is the same as saying that the universe exist because it is possible for it to.

If God created evolution on a macro scale, one species evolving into a new amd better species, you have to throw out what the Bible clearly says in Genesis 1 and 2. Upon doing that your left with doubting the whole existence of the word of God because it can't be trusted.

Genesis 2:7 states "and man became a living being." If God was the guiding force behind evolution, why would He specifically state that man "became" a living being when God formed him and breathed into him the breath of life? If your position is correct, that means that man owes his existence to some other primitive life form, that is separate from what God laid out in the scriptures. It totally contradicts what scripture teaches, which is that man was formed by God on the 6th day of creation. God was the direct cause of everything, He is the intelligent source of everything we see, He is the uncaused cause that set everything in motion. Amen.

 

[Stiff]

Alright somebody with knowledge of this evolutionist theory explain this to me. How is it that we have many different species of organism that can exist in the exact same habitat living under the exact same conditions? It seems to me the theory of evolution would say that every organism that lives in the trees in the forest would evolve into the same species. Every organism that lives in desert would become another etc.

Why would there be a Lion, antelope, cheetah, wildebeest etc all in the same Serengeti when they are all living under the same conditions? Wouldn't they have evolved into the same thing?

They don't evolve into the same animal because one populations way of survival is not the same as the others, example : if you eat meat and i eat grass then we become different from each other. Also if i mutate a slight difference then my children pass it on and over time me and you end up looking very different especially, if i move somewhere else. You may be forced to live in a pack i may be forced to live and hunt alone that's why lions and leopards became different even though they started from a common ancestor.

But doesn't the theory of evolution and natural selection state that ALL organisms come from a common ancestor? If that's the case why would one even start to eat grass while the other start to eat meat if they are living under the same conditions with the same variables?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

This is why we can't have nice threads. The name calling and telling people about their level of thinking, etc is really just petty.

God actually is more forceful with His speech when He describes the pride of man and foolish thinking. When you serve the LORD you have to earnestly contend for the faith. Calling people out, by pointing out error is called speaking the truth. Toes may be stepped on, because the truth hurts.

God actually calls the people who subscribe to the wisdom of this world, fools. And He describes them as such, because their thinking has become foolish due to pride. When you speak the truth, it will cut to the soul because the truth is what sets us free.

 

[Ajackson17]

Probably because they started eating it one day I guess. Let me see if there are any books on this, but I think carnivores were the first of their kind.

 

[zombie]

God made evolution, both god and evolution can live in harmony.

you are confused, mon! are you a atheist, or are you a christian.... you playing the fence. pick a side and stick to it.

by your logic, 1st version of man was damn near a monkey. and Jesus is a caveman or something close.

no wonder you think babylon is a "mental state". your understanding is sorely lacking.

I am a christian i am just not as closed minded and clearly uneducated as you are and can you please stop with the "mon"shit .I never said babylon was a mental state dummy i said it was a demonic force that inhabits the whole world. there are over nine different major branches of christianity we don't all have the exact same theology.

You seem to follow what i call childlike and infantile evangelical branch that is so popular in america today.

far from a child.. i got different speeds, like you suppose to. when im dealing with ignorant MFers, i tend to act up a lil more than i would normally.

and atheists, are as ignorant as they come.

i pray to God that he blesses me with more patience dealing with ignorance.. atheists really test my blood level. if i can talk to a atheist without my blood boiling, then i can talk to anybody.

I am not an atheist, so relax . when you read the bible you have to think . evolution may explain how our physical bodies came to be but who you are from a spiritual standpoint is not really your physical body, we are made in god's image but what is the image of a spirit?

The image is something in the very nature of humans, in the way in which we are made. It refers to something a human is rather than something a human has or does. By virtue of being human, one is in the image of God.

Also, the image refers to the elements in the human makeup that enable fulfillment of human destiny. The image is the powers of personality that make humans, like God, beings capable of interacting with other persons, of thinking and reflecting, and of willing freely.

Yes but what is really a human?? All the things you listed do not oppose evolution, what you are basically saying here is that the image of god is the human spirit which can also be called human consciousness which i believe to be correct. Still this does not exclude evolution.

If you really want to break it down, there were only 3 "true" humans that ever lived on planet earth.

Adam and Eve before the fall

and

Jesus Christ

All 3 of them lived how humans were intended to live. Prior to the fall in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve had perfect fellowship with the Father. Jesus Christ, likewise, had perfect fellowship with the Father.

Jesus Christ obeyed the Father perfectly. Adam and Eve didn't thus the reason why the fall happened.

Also, Jesus Christ always displayed love for humans.

You see, God intended that a similar sense of fellowship, obedience, and love characterize humans relationship to God, and that humans be bound with one another in love. We are completely human only when manifesting these characteristics. And this has only been achieved by Adam and Eve before the fall, and Jesus Christ.

Evolution on the other hand cares nothing about love, obedience, or fellowship. Why? Because God is erased from the equation. When that is done love is out the door(survival of the fittest), obedience is non-existent (do as thou wilt), and fellowship is scoffed at (hating God and fellow man).

None of what you just posted proves that god could not simply be guiding evolution, he created the environment evolution happens primarily as a reaction to the environment so since a god would know all possible reactions he could be the force behind our evolution. This is the reason why the answers to how we came to be in existence won't be answered by biology. biology is just a reaction to the universe existing, if science can find out and understand how reality came into being then and only then will science have it's questions about the existence or non-existence of god answered. Physics is stuck at the quantum level, where we have even less real proof and where there is even more loopholes and guesswork. currently we think that all matter exists because of quantum fluctuations in a vaccum which is the same as saying that the universe exist because it is possible for it to.

If God created evolution on a macro scale, one species evolving into a new a better species, you have to throw out what the Bible clearly says in Genesis 1 and 2. Upon doing that your left with doubting the whole existence of the word of God because it can't be trusted.

Genesis 2:7 states "and man became a living being." If God was the guiding force behind evolution, why would He specifically state that man "became" a living being when God formed him and breathed into him the breath of life? If your position is correct, that means that man owes his existence to some other primitive life form, that is separate from what God laid out in the scriptures. It totally contradicts what scripture teaches, which is that man was formed by God on the 6th day of creation. God was the direct cause of everything, He is the intelligent source of everything we see, He is the uncaused cause that set everything in motion. Amen.

It says that man became a living being and god formed man but it does not say how, evolution is the best "How we have" currently. Nothing you just posted contradicts what i am telling you if you understand what i am telling you. by creating the universe god created the primitive life form that our bodies came from. it's the creation of the universe that needs to be dealt with and not biology.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Oh yeah where did the first atom even come from? It just popped out of thin air and exploded? Lol. Evolution, natural selection, Big Bang got more holes in it than Swiss cheese. The pride of man really brings them down to a low level of being and thinking. Tragic.

LOL, where did God come from?.. creationism has mad holes in it b..

And how can it be a low-level of thinking when research on this topic has been going on for over a century?..

1. God didn't "come" from anywhere. The infinite had no beginning and He has no end. He has always existed. That's why He is God.

2. It's low level thinking because this thinking has led to the dismissal of God in the hearts and minds of countless souls. And where has this level of thinking gotten us? No where. It hasn't solved anything, except continuing the downward spiral of mans decent into the pit of destruction.

-There's no hope in evolution

-There's no promise in evolution

-There's no solution in evolution

It's all vain babbling that contributes absolutely nothing to the well-being of man. And actually it has and will continue to lead to the eternal destruction of souls for all those who go to the other side with this belief system. Amen.

 

[zombie]

Alright somebody with knowledge of this evolutionist theory explain this to me. How is it that we have many different species of organism that can exist in the exact same habitat living under the exact same conditions? It seems to me the theory of evolution would say that every organism that lives in the trees in the forest would evolve into the same species. Every organism that lives in desert would become another etc.

Why would there be a Lion, antelope, cheetah, wildebeest etc all in the same Serengeti when they are all living under the same conditions? Wouldn't they have evolved into the same thing?

They don't evolve into the same animal because one populations way of survival is not the same as the others, example : if you eat meat and i eat grass then we become different from each other. Also if i mutate a slight difference then my children pass it on and over time me and you end up looking very different especially, if i move somewhere else. You may be forced to live in a pack i may be forced to live and hunt alone that's why lions and leopards became different even though they started from a common ancestor.

But doesn't the theory of evolution and natural selection state that ALL organisms come from a common ancestor? If that's the case why would one even start to eat grass while the other start to eat meat if they are living under the same conditions with the same variables?

environments don't stay the same for all time a swamp will eventually change into grassland so while this is going on life is changing to survive. In other words the variables change and populations of the same creature make different decisions on how to deal with them in different ways.

 

[Drew_Ali]

Darwin was not wrong.... and unfortunately for him he could live another 100 years.

In Robert Greene's Mastery he goes in-depth about Darwin. That nigga was waaaaaayyy ahead of his time and shook the fabric of our beliefs on what life is and how it came to be.

Ok..... I'm taking my thread back.........

@sion.......

Darwin was wrong......

Alot of people making comments........

But no one has yet to address the information in the op.......

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

God made evolution, both god and evolution can live in harmony.

you are confused, mon! are you a atheist, or are you a christian.... you playing the fence. pick a side and stick to it.

by your logic, 1st version of man was damn near a monkey. and Jesus is a caveman or something close.

no wonder you think babylon is a "mental state". your understanding is sorely lacking.

I am a christian i am just not as closed minded and clearly uneducated as you are and can you please stop with the "mon"shit .I never said babylon was a mental state dummy i said it was a demonic force that inhabits the whole world. there are over nine different major branches of christianity we don't all have the exact same theology.

You seem to follow what i call childlike and infantile evangelical branch that is so popular in america today.

far from a child.. i got different speeds, like you suppose to. when im dealing with ignorant MFers, i tend to act up a lil more than i would normally.

and atheists, are as ignorant as they come.

i pray to God that he blesses me with more patience dealing with ignorance.. atheists really test my blood level. if i can talk to a atheist without my blood boiling, then i can talk to anybody.

I am not an atheist, so relax . when you read the bible you have to think . evolution may explain how our physical bodies came to be but who you are from a spiritual standpoint is not really your physical body, we are made in god's image but what is the image of a spirit?

The image is something in the very nature of humans, in the way in which we are made. It refers to something a human is rather than something a human has or does. By virtue of being human, one is in the image of God.

Also, the image refers to the elements in the human makeup that enable fulfillment of human destiny. The image is the powers of personality that make humans, like God, beings capable of interacting with other persons, of thinking and reflecting, and of willing freely.

Yes but what is really a human?? All the things you listed do not oppose evolution, what you are basically saying here is that the image of god is the human spirit which can also be called human consciousness which i believe to be correct. Still this does not exclude evolution.

If you really want to break it down, there were only 3 "true" humans that ever lived on planet earth.

Adam and Eve before the fall

and

Jesus Christ

All 3 of them lived how humans were intended to live. Prior to the fall in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve had perfect fellowship with the Father. Jesus Christ, likewise, had perfect fellowship with the Father.

Jesus Christ obeyed the Father perfectly. Adam and Eve didn't thus the reason why the fall happened.

Also, Jesus Christ always displayed love for humans.

You see, God intended that a similar sense of fellowship, obedience, and love characterize humans relationship to God, and that humans be bound with one another in love. We are completely human only when manifesting these characteristics. And this has only been achieved by Adam and Eve before the fall, and Jesus Christ.

Evolution on the other hand cares nothing about love, obedience, or fellowship. Why? Because God is erased from the equation. When that is done love is out the door(survival of the fittest), obedience is non-existent (do as thou wilt), and fellowship is scoffed at (hating God and fellow man).

None of what you just posted proves that god could not simply be guiding evolution, he created the environment evolution happens primarily as a reaction to the environment so since a god would know all possible reactions he could be the force behind our evolution. This is the reason why the answers to how we came to be in existence won't be answered by biology. biology is just a reaction to the universe existing, if science can find out and understand how reality came into being then and only then will science have it's questions about the existence or non-existence of god answered. Physics is stuck at the quantum level, where we have even less real proof and where there is even more loopholes and guesswork. currently we think that all matter exists because of quantum fluctuations in a vaccum which is the same as saying that the universe exist because it is possible for it to.

If God created evolution on a macro scale, one species evolving into a new a better species, you have to throw out what the Bible clearly says in Genesis 1 and 2. Upon doing that your left with doubting the whole existence of the word of God because it can't be trusted.

Genesis 2:7 states "and man became a living being." If God was the guiding force behind evolution, why would He specifically state that man "became" a living being when God formed him and breathed into him the breath of life? If your position is correct, that means that man owes his existence to some other primitive life form, that is separate from what God laid out in the scriptures. It totally contradicts what scripture teaches, which is that man was formed by God on the 6th day of creation. God was the direct cause of everything, He is the intelligent source of everything we see, He is the uncaused cause that set everything in motion. Amen.

It says that man became a living being and god formed man but it does not say how, evolution is the best "How we have" currently. Nothing you just posted contradicts what i am telling you if you understand what i am telling you. by creating the universe god created the primitive life form that our bodies came from. it's the creation of the universe that needs to be dealt with and not biology.

The word of God does tell us how God formed man. He created man from the dust of the ground (Genesis 2:7). And God created woman from the side of man (Genesis 2:21).

If evolution is true than it contradicts what the scriptures teach. If man "evolved" from another life form, that means that our existence was dependent on that other life form and not on God.

 

[Drew_Ali]

This thread was established for the sole purpose of "debunking" or "proving" that the theory of evolution is bogus......

And the engine of scientific racism................

All comments are welcome......

However......

Before you speak, know that in this thread, everyone, even a clown, is responsible for the words of their voice..........

Not to be standoffish.....

But I have advanced degrees in anthropology, and actually study this type of shit........

I believe that this is a G&S topic........

But will move to the R&R in a few days.............

Paleontologists Use 3-D Models to Rewrite Evolution

"Using a new modeling method, researchers bombarded these 360-million-year-old fossils with high-energy X-rays in order to make 3-D models of the ancient remains.......

The results made paleontologists do a 180. Literally......

The previously believed orientation of the backbone was, in fact, backward. Those vertebrae that paleontologists had thought faced forward were actually facing the rear, and vice versa.

The skeletons of these first four-legged creatures have long been used to show how the spine evolved. Paleontologists for the last 150 years have therefore theorized about spinal evolution based on an inaccurately pieced-together structure........

With the new findings in mind, paleontologists will now need to rewrite the story of early tetrapods and the evolutionary history of the development of other vertebrate species—humans included."
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/8...um=referral&utm_source=pulsenews#.USlPyWdnCSo

How does this involve Darwin?

This.....

"For much of the past 150 years, biology has largely concerned itself

with filling in the details of the tree. "For a long time the holy

grail was to build a tree of life," says Eric Bapteste, an

evolutionary biologist at the Pierre and Marie Curie University in

Paris, France. A few years ago it looked as though the grail was

within reach. But today the project lies in tatters, torn to pieces

by an onslaught of negative evidence. Many biologists now argue that

the tree concept is obsolete and needs to be discarded. "We have no

evidence at all that the tree of life is a reality," says Bapteste.

That bombshell has even persuaded some that our fundamental view of

biology needs to change."
http://postbiota.org/pipermail/tt/2009-February/004416.html

On The Origin of Species 22 years later, Darwin's spindly tree had grown into a mighty oak. The book contains numerous references to the tree and its only diagram is of a branching structure showing how one species can evolve into many.

The tree-of-life concept was absolutely central to Darwin's thinking, equal in importance to natural to natural selection, according to biologist W. Ford Doolittle of Dalhousie University in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. Without it the theory of evolution would never have happened. The tree also helped carry the day for evolution. Darwin argued successfully that the tree of life was a fact of nature, plain for all to see though in need of explanation. The explanation he came up with was evolution by natural selection. ...

From tree to web

"As it became clear that HGT was a major factor, biologists started to realise the implications for the tree concept. As early as 1993, some were proposing that for bacteria and archaea the tree of life was more like a web. In 1999, Doolittle made the provocative claim that "the history of life cannot properly be represented as a tree" (Science, vol 284, p 2124). "The tree of life is not something that exists in nature, it's a way that humans classify nature," he says."

This thread was not intended for your personal beliefs on if God exists..........

 

[Ajackson17]

I have addressed it and yet no one responded to me. The core factor in evolution is real and those who do not believe it, well I blame their education for it.

 

[Drew_Ali]

I have addressed it and yet no one responded to me. The core factor in evolution is real and those who do not believe it, well I blame their education for it.

You addressed it with your personal beliefs/feelings............

This was intended to be an academic/scientific debate......

Leave your feelings at the door.......