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I really don't see how Redman is more lyrical than Meth. Putting body of work aside for the moment, I think they are much closer skill wise than is given credit in here.
For me personally, I think Meth has superior wordplay, similes, and punchlines than Redman. I also think his metaphors are more creative and insightful, if not quite as elaborate.
On the other hand, Redman is plainly the better storyteller. That's not really Meth's style at all. Redman also admittedly has a more technical flow and sophisticated rhyme scheme than Meth. He's all about them internal rhymes and experimenting with inflection and structure. Whose voice you prefer more seems strictly a matter of preference.
So in terms of pure technique, it's about a wash. But I also think Meth has superior lyrical content, which is partly why I think his punches hit a bit harder. Redman mostly just raps about rapping and getting high. Meth does that too, but he goes much deeper than Redman and can also get into social issues and even metaphysical issues. So as just rappers, I give the edge to Meth.
In terms of body of work, Redman clearly has the superior and more consistent solo career. I think he has three classic/borderline classic albums in a row, one of which (Muddy Waters) is arguably better than Tical. But to be fair to Meth, Redman wasn't also a part of a group. And Meth has arguably been the strongest performer on all the group albums. He bodied every single track of the Wu Tang Forever album he was on, which has about an entire solo album's worth of verses from him. So if we count group albums, which I think it would be unfair at least not to consider them, then I'm not so convinced Redman's overall body of work is obviously better than Method Man's.
At the end of the day though they're two incredible rappers. Both are in my top 10, Meth just a spot or so outside my top 5.
For me personally, I think Meth has superior wordplay, similes, and punchlines than Redman. I also think his metaphors are more creative and insightful, if not quite as elaborate.
On the other hand, Redman is plainly the better storyteller. That's not really Meth's style at all. Redman also admittedly has a more technical flow and sophisticated rhyme scheme than Meth. He's all about them internal rhymes and experimenting with inflection and structure. Whose voice you prefer more seems strictly a matter of preference.
So in terms of pure technique, it's about a wash. But I also think Meth has superior lyrical content, which is partly why I think his punches hit a bit harder. Redman mostly just raps about rapping and getting high. Meth does that too, but he goes much deeper than Redman and can also get into social issues and even metaphysical issues. So as just rappers, I give the edge to Meth.
In terms of body of work, Redman clearly has the superior and more consistent solo career. I think he has three classic/borderline classic albums in a row, one of which (Muddy Waters) is arguably better than Tical. But to be fair to Meth, Redman wasn't also a part of a group. And Meth has arguably been the strongest performer on all the group albums. He bodied every single track of the Wu Tang Forever album he was on, which has about an entire solo album's worth of verses from him. So if we count group albums, which I think it would be unfair at least not to consider them, then I'm not so convinced Redman's overall body of work is obviously better than Method Man's.
At the end of the day though they're two incredible rappers. Both are in my top 10, Meth just a spot or so outside my top 5.
supergangster
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za'kiss;8109460 said:I really don't see how Redman is more lyrical than Meth. Putting body of work aside for the moment, I think they are much closer skill wise than is given credit in here.
For me personally, I think Meth has superior wordplay, similes, and punchlines than Redman. I also think his metaphors are more creative and insightful, if not quite as elaborate.
On the other hand, Redman is plainly the better storyteller. That's not really Meth's style at all. Redman also admittedly has a more technical flow and sophisticated rhyme scheme than Meth. He's all about them internal rhymes and experimenting with inflection and structure. Whose voice you prefer more seems strictly a matter of preference.
So in terms of pure technique, it's about a wash. But I also think Meth has superior lyrical content, which is partly why I think his punches hit a bit harder. Redman mostly just raps about rapping and getting high. Meth does that too, but he goes much deeper than Redman and can also get into social issues and even metaphysical issues. So as just rappers, I give the edge to Meth.
In terms of body of work, Redman clearly has the superior and more consistent solo career. I think he has three classic/borderline classic albums in a row, one of which (Muddy Waters) is arguably better than Tical. But to be fair to Meth, Redman wasn't also a part of a group. And Meth has arguably been the strongest performer on all the group albums. He bodied every single track of the Wu Tang Forever album he was on, which has about an entire solo album's worth of verses from him. So if we count group albums, which I think it would be unfair at least not to consider them, then I'm not so convinced Redman's overall body of work is obviously better than Method Man's.
At the end of the day though they're two incredible rappers. Both are in my top 10, Meth just a spot or so outside my top 5.
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Its not a runaway, but Red has had better albums, more memorable songs and has been more consistent. Even before they made albums together and were just featured, Red outshines Meth, notably on 'Do What You Feel' but also on Meth's 'Big Dogs (last verse)'
Redman, to me is Top 5 of all-time, Meth is part of a Top 5 group of all-time. Oh, but Red's wordplay would give him the comfortable nod over Meth. Love em both though...
Redman, to me is Top 5 of all-time, Meth is part of a Top 5 group of all-time. Oh, but Red's wordplay would give him the comfortable nod over Meth. Love em both though...
pachá12;8109818 said:Its not a runaway, but Red has had better albums, more memorable songs and has been more consistent. Even before they made albums together and were just featured, Red outshines Meth, notably on 'Do What You Feel' but also on Meth's 'Big Dogs (last verse)'
Redman had way more bars on "Do What You Feel", but I don't think he obviously outrapped him. My favorite line on the track is "I dedicate this next dart to my fuckin' heart, Little Meth he the best part" which had more substance and wit than anything Red said IMO.
I also prefer Meth on 2Pac's "Got My Mind Made Up", but it's really close. Redman's flow on that track was insane. It's loaded with internal rhymes. But if you compare lyrics bar for bar, I think Meth had better punchlines. I'm not a big fan of "Big Dogs" because of the generic beat, but I think they're about even on that one too. Again, though, Red had more bars (even on Meth's own song!).
pachá12;8109818 said:Redman, to me is Top 5 of all-time, Meth is part of a Top 5 group of all-time. Oh, but Red's wordplay would give him the comfortable nod over Meth. Love em both though...
See above. Meth has arguably the best wordplay of any MC that I can think of. Jay and Red are up there though.
natural born sinners
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They both had great producers behind em (rza n eric sermon). But method man in his prime was just too good, his flow n whole charisma on the mic was incomparable. Though that redman album w that "ill be dat" song was super dope
METHOD MAN HAS THE G.O.A.T. FLOW...EVEN TIL THIS DAY....
BUT IN THEIR PRIMES...REDMAN PUT OUT WAY BETTER MATERIAL...
HE HAD A GREAT 4 ALBUM RUN FROM WHUT?-DOC'S DA NAME...
HE OUTRAPPED METH ON THE ORIGINAL BLACKOUT!
METH GOT HIM ON BO2 THO...
OVERALL, REDMAN IS A BETTER LYRICIST TOO...
BUT IN THEIR PRIMES...REDMAN PUT OUT WAY BETTER MATERIAL...
HE HAD A GREAT 4 ALBUM RUN FROM WHUT?-DOC'S DA NAME...
HE OUTRAPPED METH ON THE ORIGINAL BLACKOUT!
METH GOT HIM ON BO2 THO...
OVERALL, REDMAN IS A BETTER LYRICIST TOO...
iNeverCould
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Red is sure better rapper!
esco soprano
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In their prime I'd take method man. But overall Redman. And no sign Muddy Waters over Tical.
I_fap_twohanded
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method man is one of the biggest underachievers in the rap game
I_fap_twohanded;8146584 said:method man is one of the biggest underachievers in the rap game
WORD...HE SHOULD HAVE LIKE 7 ALBUMS BY NOW...
GHOST DROPPED MORE ALBUMS.ON DEF JAM AND HE SIGNED 10 YEARS AFTER METH....
TOO MUCH WEED AND CALL OF DUTY
supergangster
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It was kinda close
supergangster
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Or was it?
supergangster
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70% vs 30% is it close in your eyes?
