Reasonable doubt vs ILLmatic: which has aged better?

[Melanin_Enriched]

A nigga really coming in here saying RD is lyrically better than Illmatic? Jay was getting destroyed by features.

 

[buttuh_b]

Clearly Illmatic.

 

[shtoopid]

if you wanna talk about age, it was written is a better comparison

 

[Paul Hate.]

illmatic cuz of the production.Only song that sounds truly dated would be it aint hard to tell..the rest sound passable even by todays standards..

rd has some songs that sound dated bks finest,etc..

 

[Valentinez A. Kaiser]

Ageism bullshit??? N*cca I can already tell U a YOUNG ass,hatin ass,uneducated ass,donkey of da day ass........15 yr old. And that's Y U caught feelings!! Listen lil n*cca,I stand by what I said & it obviously applies to yo ass so if da shoe fit homie,wear it & make sure ya bra & panties match. Dis is what I was talkin about Mumo,a bunch of youngins speakin on dis h.hop ish dat don't know ish. Dat's Y da convo is fuk'd up cause it isn't balanced. A bunch of Danielson's & very few Mr Myagi's

1. You are a fool or at the very least foolish.

2. Your argument (if you can call it that) is fallacious in reasoning.

3. My post, if you read past the first line (which I doubt because it obviously brought out the emotional bitch in you) is indicative to your flawed logic.

4. Finally you talk of "catching feelings" but then I look at your post and............................. you know what? I'll leave it at that with regards to you personally.

RD aint no goddamn classic. Jay Z just reminded you niggas 10 years ago on BP1 that RD even existed. whats so timeless about a nigga rapping off beat about the subjects and images that would ruin hip hop. now everybody is a hustler who just happens to rap. every body got a uncomfirmed/untraceable backstory about selling big dope. everybody can lose shiploads of crystalized cocaine from ecuador but somehow find studio time to rap about it. raekwon gave these niggas a inch and they sprinted a mile with it. nas guilty of it too so is biggie. nas was just a poet on his first album but then he became escobar. biggie was all depressed, hungry and sucidal living in a one room shack on RTD but on LAD he became frank white jumping over coffee tables got MW3 sized guns deflectin bullets like captain america. RD was one of the albums that catapulted rap into a wasteland. fuck no its not a classic

Tomp is funny as fuck! I wouldn't be suprised to find out you're the alias behind "Big Ghostfase".

if you wanna talk about age, it was written is a better comparison

That's true.

 

[Mumo X]

This is definitely true in terms of impact & the quality of music just minus da sales ofcourse. And to sum it up Mumo any & everybody atleast 35 yrs old will agree,d#mn near anybody under 35 yrs will prolly disagree. Educate urselves ppl; Illmatic is hiphop's ultimate classic. Just ask ur favorite rapper u don't have to take my word

Yeah , older heads know wassup. ILLmatic is hiphop's version of Marvin Gaye's Whats goin on....But I jus turned 28, and my feeling is that no hiphop album will ever hav the same impact as ILLmatic....Every song in there is like each book in the Bible-- full of wise quotes

 

[deathrowzorrow]

ILLmatic no doubt

word to Mumo X. One of my favorite posters

 

[Mumo X]

Reasonable Doubt>>>>>Illmatic

Illmatic is the revisionists favorite album to overrate and put on a pedestal

illmatic sounds outdated as fuck and Rd has way better tracks: Brooklyns finest,dead presidents,can I live I & II,22 two's,Politics as usual,feelin it

[video=youtube;bJ8Yaa7OSV4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ8Yaa7OSV4[/video]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jay Z's whole existence

ILLmatic no doubt

word to Mumo X. One of my favorite posters

Peace to you Zorrow

I see you got Nas new lady on ya avi lol.........

 

[garv]

Wouldn't have It Was Written and Reasonable Doubt be a better comparison since they both came out in the same year?

 

[gifted]

They both obviously sound dated, still dope today and better than today' mediocre standards, like many of the classics-

RTD, Chronic, Enter the 36, OBCL, infamous, doggystyle.

 

[Jack Purcell]

illmatic as far as the originality, lyricism replay value, classic production. RD is dope as well but I still havent seen anybody try to recreate it.

 

[maestro_lungs]

You Can't Compare a Album from 94, Who's Singles & Buzz Was From 93 to a Album from Summer 96, Of Course Illmatic is Gonna Sound Dated compared to That....Shit, Ready to Die Sounds Dated Compared to Reasonable Doubt, But Reasonable Doubt isn't Better than Either, Just a More Newer sound. Lyrically Illmatic was Futuristic over Early 90's Throwback Music... Extra P, Pete Rock & Premier got they Nut Off & Was Pretty Much out The Game...How Many Major Classic did Extra P or Pete Rock Bless after Illmatic! Premier is a Different Story...Illmatic gave him a 2nd Breath as a Producer & Kind of Made Him More than Just The Dj for Gangstar

 

[beni]

Illmatic is way better than RD. I have yet to listen to an album that had better verses than the tracks on Illmatic. The lyrics, the flow, the delivery, the energy, the passion, the punch lines, the story telling, the vocabulary, the slang....oh my God. That album is the ultimate definition of a hip hop masterpiece. The only album that lyrically can touch Illmatic is Paid in Full by E-B & Rakim, but Illmatic has the better production. Illmatic made Jigga switch up his rhyming style, that's how influential Illmatic was. Cmn man.

 

[unspoken_respect]

Reasonable Doubt

 

[Hero!387]

Illmatic owns Reasonable Doubt. Reasonable Doubt is great but the only reason people talk about it is because of the star Jay-Z has become. Illmatic is the perfect example of a record that didn't sell a lot but made a lot of noise. If Nas had died or stopped making music after Illmatic, it would still be remember as a landmark and cornerstone of the genre. It would still be considered a seminal release and one of rap music and hip hop culture's crowning achievements. It doesn't sound dated it just sounds really New York and really Street. Nothing on Illmatic sounds as pretty as tracks like "Politics As Usual" and "Feelin' It" but that doesn't mean its dated. When Illmatic dropped the hip hop community froze, it was so dope and ahead of its time it put everyone on pause. It's like time stood still or something. Reasonable Doubt didn't do any of those things. It was respected as a dope album nothing more. It wasn't hailed an immediate masterpiece like Illmatic or Ready To Die or Only Built 4 Cuban Linx. It wasn't until Jay said on the title track of The Blueprint "Reasonable Doubt, classic should've went triple [platinum]" that people started going along with Jay's notion and labeling it a classic. I don't think it really earned that description honestly. Jay is a master of illusions. He knows how to combine making power moves with perfect timing and saying things at the perfect time to get people to see things in the light he wants them to see them in. Like how he and Kanye bullshitted their whole way through promoting WTT and got people on board the album's bandwagon as if it's actually good or something. But anyway Illmatic always has and will owns Reasonable Doubt.

 

[Hero!387]

Despite the fact that Illmatic made an immediate impression and impact, it also started a number of subtle trends that have improved its standing even more over time. Pre Illmatic, it was most common for an artist to have a single producer or DJ who would produce their entire project (Eric B and Rakim, Snoop & Dre, Ice Cube and The Bomb Squad, Wu-Tang and RZA) and if they didn't have that, they would have a small crew of in house producers who would craft their beats (like Ready To Die with Easy Mo B and Puffy). Illmatic was the first time an artist accumulated all of the biggest producers in the game at that time to contribute to a single project. It was unprecendented and it's now become the common practice. It's gotten to the point where its like if you call yourself a big dog in the rap game, you have to have at least one beat on your project from every big shot producer. You can see it in releases shortly following Illmatic like Vol. 2 from Jay all the way to the latest Drake and Nicki releases. Another way Illmatic has influenced artists is the whole babies/children on covers thing but let's not get into that.

 

[Lot86]

Reasonable Doubt for me, I was too young for the impact that Illmatic had on individuals, but even at 26, listening to it, just doesn't do anything for me. 15 Years later, and I'm still amazed at what Jay delivered with Reasonable Doubt. That's probably the one CD that will stand the test of time with me. Of course I listen to tracks after tracks from artist from the 90's, and Illmatic was lyrically on a whole another level when it dropped, but other than Mobb Deep's Murda Muzik, there really isn't a CD that I will forever enjoy listening too from beginning to end fully attentive.

 

[mackadamon]

Illmatic, RD has no replay value.

This^^exactly how I felt at age 11 or 12 and exactly how I feel now. I was a fan of both but I remember rockin to RD for about 2-3 weeks and it began to really bore me. On the other hand I remember rockin Illmatic well into 95, play it from beginning to end no skips. Though I felt RD was dope after about 3 weeks I would only replay that tracks I really liked.

Some say Illmatic sounds dated because it sounds like "old school" hip hop but that's exactly why I love it. If saying something hasn't aged well means beats and flows that aren't modern or you wouldn't hear today than absolutely RD has aged better but Illmatic is a timeless classic in a very artistical way. Illmatic sucks you into a world through the eyes of a young brotha from Queens NY circa 91, 92 so it's suppose to sound dated.

 

[D_Rap_Scholar]

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[D_Rap_Scholar]

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