Rapper Ranking Project: Rapper #3 - Tupac

[The Lonious Monk]

I'd just like to point out that this is proof that I'm being objective and judging based on the rappers performance in these categories and not on how they measure up to other rappers. In my personal opinion, Tupac is not better than Jay. However, the score is the score. I checked like 3 times to make sure I didn't screw it up. I don't think I overrated him anywhere, but as always everything is up for debate, so have at it.

 

[StreetRap]

New York bias is disgusting

Pac should be equal with Big !

 

[SolemnSauce]

How U got PAC a 5 for lyrics but a 3.5 for story telling?

How old are u, that's backward as fuck

 

[its....JOHN B]

Lyrics-4

Delivery-5

Language-3

Storytelling-3

Catalog-3.5

Subject matter-5

Creativity-4

Collabo's-4

Impact-5

 

[SolemnSauce]

16 on death row

When I get free

Death around the corner

Shorty wanna be a thug

Brenda's got a baby

Dear mama

Those are story telling tracks, classic and iconic tracks.. but y'all giving him a 3 for story tellin?

 

[Weazel]

Pac's my all time favorite

I got 5 on everything

 

[5 Grand]

Lyrics (5) - Tupac's songs tended to be packed with meaning and messages (good and bad) and he was able to deliver strongly through his words. Very few rappers have been as prolific has him and still manage to deliver strong lyrics in nearly every song.

Really? He rhymed Hennessy with Enemy and Penitentiary on more than just a few songs.

 

[BIGG WILL]

My issue w/ your rating system is that not all of the categories should carry the same amount of weight. For instance imo a 5 in lyrics and catalog, should carry more weight than an 5 in Language and Callabos.

 

[Beta]

Lyrics-4

Delivery-4

Language-3.5

Storytelling-4.5

Catalog-4

Subject matter-5

Creativity-4

Collabo's-3.5

Impact-5

I think that's 37.5

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

East coast bias. No bueno. Amen.

 

[AZTG]

Lyrics - 3

Delivery - 4

Language - 4

Storytelling - 5

Catalog - 4

Subject Matter - 5

Creativity - 3

Collaboration - 3

Impact - 5

Total - 36

 

[The Lonious Monk]

New York bias is disgusting

Pac should be equal with Big !

Are you joking or what. If I had a NY bias Jay would be higher than Pac too.

How U got PAC a 5 for lyrics but a 3.5 for story telling?

How old are u, that's backward as fuck

I'm 36 and if you're not joking you either didn't read the category breakdowns or your reading comprehension is low as hell.

The Storytelling category isn't based solely on the lyrical capability of telling a story. It also incorporated the usage of the usage of stories, the variety of subject matter used in the stories, the creativity of the stories, and other criteria. Having a 5 in Lyrics doesn't guarantee anything for Storytelling. Now if you are trying to argue that the lyrical strength in his stories deserves a higher score, that would be a fair argument, but you should make that instead of saying silly shit.

My issue w/ your rating system is that not all of the categories should carry the same amount of weight. For instance imo a 5 in lyrics and catalog, should carry more weight than an 5 in Language and Callabos.

I'm inclined to agree, but that would make things overly complicated and the weights would be one more thing that would have to be argued. I might agree with you that a 5 in Lyrics should be more important than a 5 in Language, but everyone might not agree and there would likely be reasonable arguments made for both sides. So really, it's better to just keep them on even ground. It's also not that crazy to do that. After all, to truly be great, you do have to be well rounded.

Lyrics (5) - Tupac's songs tended to be packed with meaning and messages (good and bad) and he was able to deliver strongly through his words. Very few rappers have been as prolific has him and still manage to deliver strong lyrics in nearly every song.

Really? He rhymed Hennessy with Enemy and Penitentiary on more than just a few songs.

Rhyming ability applies to Language not Lyrics. The Lyrics category is strictly about the substance and clarity of the lyrics. Now if you want to argue that his Language score should be dropped a little because of his poor rhymes or over use of the same rhymes, you might actually have a good argument there.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

16 on death row

When I get free

Death around the corner

Shorty wanna be a thug

Brenda's got a baby

Dear mama

Those are story telling tracks, classic and iconic tracks.. but y'all giving him a 3 for story tellin?

I gave him a 3.5 and I don't think you really understand what a 3 means. It doesn't mean that Pac doesn't have good stories. It just means that his storytelling and use of storytelling are simply on par with that of other good rappers. Pac has good stories, but his stories are not as well told or intricate as the stories you hear from elite storytellers. And he doesn't actually have as many of them. I think Raekwon is a 4 - 4.5 story teller and he probably has put 5 good stories on a single album, more than once.

 

[SolemnSauce]

PAC story telling is on a level to where it doesn't even come off as story on first listen. I call that great story telling.

 

[Weazel]

Lyrics (5) - Tupac's songs tended to be packed with meaning and messages (good and bad) and he was able to deliver strongly through his words. Very few rappers have been as prolific has him and still manage to deliver strong lyrics in nearly every song.

Really? He rhymed Hennessy with Enemy and Penitentiary on more than just a few songs.

If that's all you got from his lyrics...poor you, smh

 

[The Lonious Monk]

PAC story telling is on a level to where it doesn't even come off as story on first listen. I call that great story telling.

lol What? I'm not sure how not being able to tell that a story is a story is a sign of good storytelling. It seems more like a sign of a weak narrative that can be mistaken for not being a narrative or a listener that isn't savvy enough to pick up on a narrative when he or she hears it.

 

[Lefty_]

if PAC catalog ain't a 5 who's is a 5. He got an argument for 3 straight classics.

 

[Lefty_]

This thread series needs a panel, not just one guy. You low key played my g on a couple things, and I ain't even fuck wit dude like that.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

This thread series needs a panel, not just one guy. You low key played my g on a couple things, and I ain't even fuck wit dude like that.

These threads are supposed to be a panel. lol That's the whole point. I just provide a baseline. If you think I played him somewhere, then make an argument for a higher score in those areas. That's what panels do.

 

[Lefty_]

This thread series needs a panel, not just one guy. You low key played my g on a couple things, and I ain't even fuck wit dude like that.

These threads are supposed to be a panel. lol That's the whole point. I just provide a baseline. If you think I played him somewhere, then make an argument for a higher score in those areas. That's what panels do.

Aight, I respect it.

Catalog and subject matter is a 5. He has a strong argument for 3 straight classics and dude may not have the breadth, but the depth and seriousness of his subject matter is bar none....

He was basically a black panther on the mic.