Racially Motivated Threads of the Social Lounge...

[One Spliff]

You have people like this in ever culture

My parents are racist that does not make me one

choices at the end of the day

man thats only because you grew up ina different generation.

dont u understand what the word 'NATURE' means ?

you have the exact same nature as your parents, you were just rasied in a different generation with more tolerance.

the moment the shit hits the fan and the truth about u crackers is revealed, u'll revert back to your animal nature just like your parents, its inevitable.

 

[One Spliff]

SO you gonna profile him and use quilt thru association as justification for that bogus claim of yours. YEAH when Obama loses in 2012 let's see who the real savages are in this country. The flash mods and those who terrorize white people at local fairs and malls never get the media coverage.....your a protected entity that needs to learn about the real truth. BTW black on black crime is the real problem...not petrified white people that you and yours has instilled fear in.

lol, your posts dont even warrant a serious response.

your nation have an animalistic nature, thats not my opinion...thats historical fact.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

how could they not prove it?

There is infinite amount of bad press on afro-americans.

from worldstarhiphop, to police files, prison records, welfare records etc etc.

But we all know hating the totality due to the actions of a few is ignorant

Are you really comparing the activities of the bad sector of the black community (at least partially made that way due to the racist history of america) to the history of the white race/european culture? Are you really comparing police files and welfare records to genocie and slavery? Come on man.

I'm not one of these people that think that all white people are bad. I think like every other group in humanity, most of them are sheep, and just follow whatever practices are common. That said the white race as a whole has been very devilish over the last millenium or so. There is really no arguing that.

 

[nujerz84]

Again why do UK people (mostly white) got the most fucked up teeth... do them people believe in a dentist?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

could say the same about white people.

I used that example to compare the behaviours of a small group of people to justify hatred to everyone who falls under that category

I don't understand how the criminal behaviours of black americans can not be compared to those of white americans

Why is there no contempt ever shown for the fellow africans that sold the slaves to the americans in order to have more territory in africa?

why does nobody ever mention their wrong doing?

while less significant, it is still relevant.

you know why?

because everyone is racist and hate those that doesn't look like them solely out of principal

Who said the criminal activities of blacks and whites can't be compared? However, if we're talking about one group that went around pillaging, raping, and destroying whole cultures and you bring another group that has members that commit isolated robberies and murders, there is a huge disconnect in the scope of what is being discussed.

And in case you haven't noticed, relations between Africans and African Americans aren't exactly the best. There is resentment there. However, it's kinda hard for African Americans to hate Africans to the same extent as they hate whites when the common thread of being fucked over by whites unites both groups. Also the fact, that whites continually try to use that fact to excuse their own bad actions makes people rebel against the idea even more. Just because someone does something devilish doesn't mean what you're doing is any less devilish.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

many groups raped and pillaged. the japanese in WW2, gengis khan and his folk, Rwandan Genocide.

White people are not the only ones with the capacity for evil.

History has sufficient proof of this.

they've just been the group able to get away with it unpunished.

but slavery happened several generations ago

lots of the white people you see had nothing to do with that stuff

why hold them accountable for the actions of others?

See, you're doing it again. The thread is mostly about how blacks have some reason to hate whites due to the actions whites have taken against blacks and other groups historically. Instead of saying, yeah whites have done some fucked up shit, you want to try and throw out all the shit that other groups have done. Once again, just because someone else has done some horrific shit doesn't mean it's suddenly acceptable when you've done it. What the Japanese, Mongolians, and Rwandans have done is irrelevant in the discussion about how devilish white people have been.

However, since you want to go there let me point out that neither the Japanese, Mongolians, nor Rwandans circumvented the entire globe sowing mayhem and destruction everywhere they went. None of those groups have wiped out entire cultures. None of those groups built a country on the enslavement of one people, destruction of another, and exploitation of others and then have the nerves to turn around and play victim when those groups simply want to be treated fairly. The White race has done all of the above.

And I'm not talking about holding individual white people today accountable for slavery 200 years ago, but why is it that people act like the White man's mistreatment of the Black man ended with slavery. You act as if blacks weren't treated blatantly like second class citizens for 100 years after slavery ended, and are still being treated that way on the sly even up to the present.

 

[Huruma]

Its not racist to hate whites because all blacks have sound reason and justified cause to hate whites.

Whites have zero reasn to hate us. Nobody dislikes whites because they feel like it.

Crackers have proven themselves to be scum and someone pointing it out doesnt make them racist. it makes them intelligent and educated. Humura isnt racist in the least bit. He's just smart enough to know a devil when he sees one. As am I.

I disagree, I think Black people can be racist. I don't know if I qualify, I think of myself as prejudiced since I don't bother or harm White people in any way, unless they're offended by what I've said about them on here, but offline I mind my own business. I'd rather avoid White people than hate them. Racial separatism isn't necessarily a matter of hatred, it's one valid way of minimizing racial hatred. I swear I tried but I can't force myself to love them.

because everyone is racist and hate those that doesn't look like them solely out of principal

I don't think many people care about phenotype for it's own sake, although it's one factor that plays a role in how easily we can identify with others, it's the connection they make between phenotype and ethnic heritage or social class. You are right that White people have no monopoly on being fucked up human beings but I can almost guarantee you that tension and conflict will always be higher in racially and ethnically homogenous societies, all other factors considered, and the tension/conflict doesn't have to be racially or ethnically related either. Humans have an innate genetic disposition for ethnic nepotism, the evidence for this is overwhelming.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

So you're speaking specifically on Americans?

then say americans , dont say white people.

The Poloks, Finnish and numerous other groups of white people have done nothing.

I'm not minimizing the actions of white people

just putting things in perspective.

I'm acting as if your anger towards an entire race is as misguided and fueled by ignorance as the white people you hate.

but whatever, your practical inconsistency does nothing to me

only ruins your credibility.

Dog, white people in America came from somewhere else. White people have been doing this shit for more than a millenium. So a large part of that was before there even was an America. And those examples of barbarism that I put up there weren't just done by America. A very large chunk of Europe was involved in colonialism and with colonialism that invoked a lot of that shit I named.

And I have no hate for white people. I'm just point out that the white race as a whole has acted devilish. There is no inconsistency there. Check the history. Tell me what other race, ethnic group, culture has committed the acts that whites have on the scale that whites have. So you can name a few groups that are considered white that didn't do those things. That's a horrible argument because I'm not speaking in abolute terms. I'm making a general statement about the white race as a whole. You saying that I'm being inconsistent because the Finnish had no part in wiping the native Tasmanians off the face of the earth is like saying that I'm wrong to say that in general men are taller than women just because Lisa Leslie is much taller than me.

You want to claim that its the same thing that whites do to us, but it isn't even close. Whites set up an environment where blacks could not succeed for decades. The put blacks in a position where ignorance and poverty run rampant. Then they use the media to portray the black community in a skewed and unfair manner. Then they'll use the result from all of that to make negative statements about blacks in general. How is that anyway related to me pointing out factual things that the White race or European superculture (if you'd prefer to cut out race) have done and concluding that the partaking in those acts was devilish in nature.

 

[PPLSIntiative]

By logical deduction the OP is right but the premise is wrong. People forget that Arabs were the first to enslave Blacks whole scale. Europeans learned that concept from them. Prior to that Blacks were just objects of derision by Europeans because of their skin color. At some point in time everyone has fucked everyone over because the basic instinct of people is selfishness. Selfishness in and of itself is neither right nor wrong, but it has led to some pretty horrible things. The reason Europeans have done so much of it is because Europe doesn't have a lot of natural resources.

secondly someone mentioned it earlier, but the Chinese are really bad about this. They are very nationalistic, and if you're not Chinese you're not shit.

Africans have been the victims of the world because we have resided in a continent with many a great resource especially gold, oil, uranium, exotic animals you name it. Africa has a lot of shit people want and have wanted forever.

As far as speaking to people's derision and aversion to Blacks, it's a perverted human instinct to hate what is strange and does not look like you. More specifically this hate is more towards Black men. Black women and women of other cultures have been getting the Captain Kirk treatment for centuries. Black men are hated because of sexual competition and dueling feelings of envy. So white men in particular manufacture claims of stupidity and weakness and genetic inferiority so that white women will develop an aversion to Black men.

People as a whole have committed some horrible acts upon one another. To blame white people for the brunt of it is naive because if it wasn't them it would've been the chinese guarantee it, and we'd be sitting here today speaking mandarin saying i can't stand those slanty eyed fuckers. the chinese are nigeria right now running those people ragged in mines and shooting them if they protest. This isn't to say that white people should not be held accountable for their actions. I just don't think they are any more evil than anyone culture or nation as a hole. In Darfur, Arabs routinely terrorize Black Africans. Japanese hate the hell out of some chinese and vice versa. This doesn't nullify any black anger towards white people, because that right there is a history book unto itself as well as natives.

my personal anger towards white people stems from the hypocrisies that praise the 'founding fathers' and condemn hitler. people who say we support troops, but the troops are just hired guns to rob a nation of its wealth. send troops to fight for liberty and democracy in the middle east while you have over a two million people locked away inside the sentinel of freedom. my anger also stems from the notion that things aren't worth complaining about or doing something about til it effects white people e;g drugs, teen pregnancy, unemployment, predatory lending rates, then you get OWS. however, that nonsense has been going on in black communities forever in some shape or form. Blacks are the invisible citizens, you try not to notice them unless you can help it and then 9/11 happens all of a sudden we're all americans and need to stick together to put down the sand niggers. after a while though its back to the same ol' same ol'. I don't like white americans specifically as a culture because they have spawned willfully ignorant hypocrites.

 

[PPLSIntiative]

but quantify that perverted 'human instinct' vs. Black men never being known for hating whatever people that don't look like us?

It is not known. In fact, when Europeans went to the African continent and the American continent, they were genuinely welcomed and cared for. In return, Europeans looked upon the lack of modern industry and rigid social hierarchy as evidence of child like naivete and primitive minds. To them these were lands completely vulnerable from the lack of iron weaponry and ripe to be exploited for its wealth. That's a whole other topic though because we're talking about how social and political infrastructures influenced foreign policies.

Most nations at this time are monarchies. Europe went from one single monarchy, holy roman empire to several, french, spanish, and british. These nations spent centuries in constant warfare. all they knew was war for one reason or another whether it was in the middle east, in africa, among themselves or with natives. collectively, they are a warlike people with brutish and barbaric ways. i speak this as a truth of historical observation. in turn they have visited these methods upon other people whether they were equally war like or welcoming.

Malcolm X spoke this to a truth that there is no place on earth white men have gone and can say they have brought peace. it has in fact been the opposite. that is the charge and cannot be denied.

I still don't think that anyone can definitively say that white people collectively are the most evil above all other men. it's too absolute of a statement.

 

[PPLSIntiative]

Just studying for my psych test and read something interesting about Locus of control and Self-Theory of motivation

"According to [Dweck] the need for achievement is closely linked to personality factors, including a person's view of how self (the beliefs one holds about one's abilities and relationships others) can affect the understanding of how much a person's actions can influence his or her success. This concept is related to the much older notion of locus of control, in which people who assume that they have control over what happens in their lives are considered to be internal locus of control, and those who feel that their lives are controlled by powerful others, luck or fate are considered to external in locus of control. Research has shown that a negative correlation exists between locus of control and need for achievement. That is, a high need for achievement is correlated to an internal locus of control."

if the ramblings of the black population on the IC is in any way a representation of the black american population as a whole, then it would seem as though there would be explanation for poorer success in black americans than solely racism.

Let me pose this to you: If the Black community had been left alone this past 50 years to develop and establish themselves as it sees fit, would the situation we face today be drastically different?

 

[fiat_money]

...yeah, remember, guys, when the posters flip out, it's NEVER out of the blue

White, Black, Asian, anybody can get it from Huruma. n/h

@Pdogg77

The bottom post is a nice follow-up to the top one.

 

[janklow]

name 5 vodka's that are better

-Chopin

-Finlandia

-Stolichnaya

-Von Gogh

-Zubrowka

also, i miss Kalashnikov-branded vodka

I'm just point out that the white race as a whole has acted devilish. There is no inconsistency there. Check the history. Tell me what other race, ethnic group, culture has committed the acts that whites have on the scale that whites have.

however, this THEN reduces the debate to "acts become more or less evil depending on the scale." if you do something devilish, it should be devilish REGARDLESS of the scale.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

You are speaking in absolute terms. Say "majority" "mostly" "close to all".

When you say "white people" you speak on the totality.

I shouldn't have to say "majority," "mostly," or "close to all" in every line. If I've made a blanket statement saying that I'm not talking about every individual white person, but more the white race as a supergroup, which I have on multiple ocassions, any reasonable and intelligent person should understand that the "majority," "mostly," and "close to all" are implied.

You acknowledge there are groups of white people who have no hand in this.

(particularly the ones of this generation)

yet condemn the totality anyways.

I haven't condemned anyone. I've pointed out that the group as a whole has been what many would consider devilish over the past millenium or so. Again, at no point have I said that every white person contributed to genocide. I simply pointed out that there have been genocides committed by the white race or members of the white race acting largely on behalf of the white race if you prefer.

You are saying factual things.

But so are white people when they give statistics (peep heyslicks post) that paint black americans in a negative light.

The difference is their "facts" consist mostly of statistics taken out of context. Heyslick's post is the perfect example. Whites constantly use numbers like that to suggest that blacks are more racist than whites because of the higher number of interracial attacks. If you've heard any reputable person, black or white, address those numbers, they quickly point out that the vast majority of the interracial crimes commited by blacks are socio/economic in motivation not racial. The exact opposite is the case for the white interracial crime. So you see the "facts" that white people usually give is data or information skewed to fit their agenda. The facts that I present are indisputable. Whites enslaved blacks for hundreds of years. Whites drove the Native American nearly to extinction and groups such as the Native Tasmanians completely to extinction. Whites have treated people of other races like shit for decades despite the fact that many of them were brought to those countries by the very whites that mistreated them. Those aren't examples of doctored data. They are indisputable and undeniable truths.

What is the difference between white people saying all black people are *insert adjective here* based on the actions of a few

and black people saying all white people are *insert adjective here* based on the actions of their ancestors?

There is no difference, but as I've stated several times now. I never said any such thing. If you can point out the place where I said all white people have done anything please do. Good luck on that though cause I didn't say it. What I said is that the White race as a group has and continues to do very devilish deeds. Sure not all whites in owned slaves back in the day, but they most certainly took part in the prosperity that the institution of slavery brought to this country. Not all whites were out there killing Native Americans, but when those natives were cleared off their lands, you can bet those people moved in and built their lives. So just because they weren't the ones digging the holes doesn't mean they didn't get dirty. And that's why more of the white community is guilty than you try to imply. If some random black person that I don't know robs and kills a white man. I have nothing to do with that. It's not a reflection on me. However, if I'm denied a job because of the color of my skin and a white person gets that job knowing that I never had a chance because of racism, then that white person is part of the problem.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I read your diatribe & honestly you're in a perpetual state of denial along with that pompous attitude of yours. YEAH! you play your game of words and how you express them...well bull shit. You imply that white people do this and white people do that...then on the other side of that smug/ smart-ass mouth of yours you have the audacity to claim you didn't mean ALL white people....BULL SHIT again as usual.

Look man, if you guys are too stupid to follow an idea from beginning to end, that's not my fault. Here is my very first post in this thread:

Are you really comparing the activities of the bad sector of the black community (at least partially made that way due to the racist history of america) to the history of the white race/european culture? Are you really comparing police files and welfare records to genocie and slavery? Come on man.

I'm not one of these people that think that all white people are bad. I think like every other group in humanity, most of them are sheep, and just follow whatever practices are common. That said the white race as a whole has been very devilish over the last millenium or so. There is really no arguing that.

What do you not understand? I said from the very beginning before I really even got into a full debate that I don't think all white people are bad nor do I think only white people do bad things. If you want to get hung up on semantics and word usage or lack thereof rather than arguing the actual points mad, be my guest, but it's a pointless endeavor. And if being able to present and idea makes me smug, then I guess that's what I am. It's not my fault you can't generate a cogent reply.

If I said black people do this and black people do that....I would be crucified for not stating some/most many a lot & so on. WTF makes you think most will believe that you aren't labeling the entire race of white people? When a man sees the errors of his ways most mature men will adjust accordingly...oh well so much for them old-ass die-hards wallowing in the past & thinking how smart they are....you're really/truly an educated fool.

Here we go with the "woe is me there is such a double standard" BS. If you have some facts about things that most blacks do or that the black race in general has done, let's hear it. Go for it. I'm not going to crucify you. If you can make an actual point instead of whining about how people are treating you unfairly then we can have a discussion. But you seem incapable of that, so I won't hold my breath.

If you feel you don't have to use words like that then black people fail

lol If you say so. If you are unable to remember context from one sentence to the next you shouldn't be having discussions or debates with anyone...ever.

 

[janklow]

I'd take belvedere and russian standard over those anyday

Belvedere and Grey Goose can get tossed out. Russian Standard i will deem "acceptable"

 

[EuropeanAndWhite]

[video=youtube;i47HoiM0Au8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i47HoiM0Au8&feature=aso[/video]

deep down most of them think like this, n all it takes is the shit hitting the fan for their true nature to be exposed.

you realize that there were white people too telling that racist cunt to shut the fuck up right?

sad for the kids tho. they got no chance but to be like their mother.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I just read what you wrote and corrected it.

If there was nothing to correct why did you respond with a titangraph?

clearly you acknowledge your incorrect usage of language, but rather than change it to better express what you really mean
you'd rather argue about shallow and pedantic bullshit

thats cool. carry on.

You're making no sense. I stated what I did in my first post, and you're the one that tried to argue against the points I made. Now when you can't counter the the subject matter of the discussion, you resort to attacking word usage. That's pretty silly. It's clear what I meant, and as I've said before I stated multiple times that I was speaking in general terms and not absolute terms. You instead switching your focus to your perceived incorrect usage of language was just a weak way of ducking the topic at hand. But it's cool, you got to do what you got to do I guess.

And 3 Olives >> than all vodkas named so far despite being a little weak.

 

[One Spliff]

you realize that there were white people too telling that racist cunt to shut the fuck up right?

sad for the kids tho. they got no chance but to be like their mother.

whats your point ?

do the black people in this thread, go to trains and busses and curse out white people ?...LOL...of course not.

just because you think something, doesn't mean u say it all the time.

most white people think the same way this women thinks, they just dont say it...

you are an animal.

 

[EuropeanAndWhite]

and as we are talking about the "true nature" of a race, then thats racist in itself. there is no true nature of ONE race but there is a true nature to the HUMAN race.

racism is widespread along white people, i agree. BUT theres an agenda behind that which has nothing really to do with true racism (hate). racism is a concept that works very well because humans are easy to get scared of things they dont know, things that look and behave different. its a tool to keep us from standing up against our elite leaders around the world, our corrupt financial system, ....

look where im from racism in 99% isnt towards blacks because they arent really a big minority here. its between native people and immigrants who are mostly from eastern european countries ex-jugoslavia etc.. and the funny thing is: they are white too. for a black guy on this board, both are crackas in the same team. but that isnt the case. and the culture of a fella from jugoslavia is FAR different from the culture of a lets say french man. as well as the culture up north is different from the culture down south in the us.

i've read this book from jean ziegler, its called "hate for the west" and it explains very well the mechanics behind the colonization, imperialism and how its still going on to this day. racism is and always will be a tool for empowering these policies. http://www.humaniteinenglish.com/spip.php?article1070

i know that shit sounds pathetic but if white people, middle-eastern people, black people and asian people would realize that we all get screwed over by some form of capitalism for almost 400 years the world would look different.