Racially Motivated Threads of the Social Lounge...

[And Step]

It's just burns your ex-con brain, up, to read people join me to see the vision of Courage & Bravery expected of us by our Slave ancestors eh?

...what a shame...

How much time you spend , here, joining Plutarch to attack me because of yall's cowardices toward Extinguishing Racism's Inequalty

You have 9000 post. Your way doesn't extinguish racism it expands it. I do business with white people and they respect me. You attack racism with excellence my dear negro.

You demand things your not in a position to take advantage of. That is why they dump more money in your schools and they are still shit. You beg for more jobs and increased hiring practices, yet your unemployment rate is even higher than before. You fill up the jails because you won't take responsibility for your own needs you abdicate it to them.

You just don't get it. Your way is out of season. It has passed . It has fulfilled it's purpose now it's time to move on with a proactive programmatic thrust that does not rely on reactionary tactics that leave you always behind.

It doesn't burn my brain. It makes me sad that you NlGGERS are misleading people to a path that will never achieve equality. You are only going to benefit the few token, elitist negros who are in a position to take advantage of such things.

You can tell your a boogie house nigga. You make fun of people who have been in prison like that somehow nakes you better. That is shonuff a house nigga thought process.

Shame on a nigga who try to run game on a nigga.........................

 

[janklow]

You're right on two counts: the letter is not a legitimate complaint and people SHOULD NOT take it seriously. I can give you props for that

i have my moments

Of course the complaints are legitimate, in this country, because the Tea Party just won elections with the same principles as we read in that spam email.

so let me see if i understand this correctly: you believe the person that wrote that e-mail is to be taken seriously due to the legitimacy of their complaints? way to co-sign some random racist on the internet

the fact that someone can win an election by appealing to racism does not make racism a legitimate, appropriate way to behave

I just stated a fact, not an opinion, so there's nothing for you to know "what to tell" about the reality other than that.

actually, it is your OPINION as to why elections went the way they did, so there's that as well

 

[janklow]

And you and Ether are intentionally overlooking the truth of the statement that he is making.

actually, i'm not, as i responded to him blowing off ether's point. the thing, though, is that people shouldn't argue using that letter as if it is a factual document. beyond that, discuss away

 

[Plutarch]

You're one of the most naive posters I've ever seen on the Social Lounge.

Wow, I hope that's an overstatement. Honestly, I don't think that I'm naive. But if I am or ever am, please explain and prove it to me because I really don't think that I'm naive. Ignorant at times? As with everyone, of course. And I'm the first one to be honest about my ignorance if I'm aware of it. But naive? I don't think so. You know, you could actually be the one that is very naive/ignorant.

The Founding Fathers were not just separatists for democracy and republicanism. LOL are you fucking serious???

When did I say that the Founding Fathers were separatists only[/I for democracy and republicanism? I believe that you took my words out of context. I think that if you reread my discussion with And Step, you'd understand my comments more clearly/fully. We were specifically talking about separatism. I was only making the point that “moral” values (such as democracy and republicanism) can guide separatism as well as “immoral” values (such as racism).

Edit: I’m just now thinking that maybe you have misunderstood my usage of the word “separatist/separatism”. I was using that word in the context of my discussion with And Step not to refer to the “separation” between blacks and whites as it pertained to the founding fathers (which I suspect is what you thought), but actually to refer to the “separation” between the 13 colonies (the United States) and its mother nation (Great Britain). There’s a big difference there.

The Founding Fathers (most of them) were hardcore racists who believed in separatism among racial and gender lines as well. They wanted separate lives for Whites and Blacks, and forced Native Americans off their lands to move into SEPARATE places.

I’m well aware of the racism among the founding fathers, believe me. You don’t have to talk down to me. I don’t really know what to say because I don’t know what we are arguing about and your problem with what I said was only based on a misunderstanding. But I will say that the founding fathers should not be generalized in one group. Now please correct me if you think that I’m wrong in saying what follows. Yes, some founding fathers were racists. I have no concrete evidence to suggest that most were “hardcore” racists. That kind of statement seems to be a faulty and exaggerated generalization to me. Yes, I could say that nearly all of the “Southern” founding fathers were racist and advocated slavery. But also, many, especially the “Northern” founding fathers, whole-heartedly believed in republicanism, which is supportive of the equality of all peoples and fundamentally incompatible with slavery and racial discrimination.

The situation is much too complicated to merely say that most of the founding fathers were hardcore racists. Washington owned slaves but was against slavery. John Adams owned no slaves and also wanted the end to slavery. If I’m not mistaken Ben Franklin, an outspoken anti-slavery advocate, freed his slaves. And there are others too. The reason why racism/slavery became an American institution and historical staple was largely due in part to politics and the racism of Southern, pro-slavery founding fathers.

 

[Plutarch]

I think that the issue with the relationship between the founding fathers and the Native Americans is also much more complicated. I would first argue that the major atrocities against the Native Americans started after the founding fathers, especially with Andrew Jackson. I would argue that some founding fathers established an amicable relationship with the Native Americans and based that on equality (republicanism). Washington and others actually worked with Native Americans and established programs in an attempt to assimilate (not saying that I agree with this) Native Americans into American society, as opposed to setting them apart from American society in reservations (which you have generally accused the founding fathers of doing). The founding fathers also appeared to, at least initially, have sought the path of business (which will always be shady) and diplomacy in order to acquire Native American land. This is in opposition to your claim that they simply forced the Native Americans out. I am also well aware that there were also wars, but that still doesn’t necessarily prove your argument.

As for the founding father’s sexist separatism? I don’t know too much to comment substantially on that. But I wouldn’t be surprised if you were wrong about that. I will say that there is evidence to suggest that America’s sexist separatism precedes America itself. America’s sexist separatism was rooted in part by Great Britain’s culture, specifically its Cult of Domesticity which oppressed women. I also know that some American women actually could and did vote after American independence.

Do you read the shit you say?

You don’t have to patronize me. I think that you have some kind of fixed idea that I’m some big simpleton. And for this reason, you tend to see things that really aren’t there at all and if you even see the slightest hint of naivety in me, you just run with it. Try to reserve judgment. Things aren’t always what they appear to be.

 

[Plutarch]

Rusty Shackelford/Its Over2012 alias.

All his cosigners have low post count and you never see them after a little while.

I've noticed this too and called out sun03 just for that. "She" really offered absolutely nothing to the discussion at all, but only to agree 100% and disagree 100%. Shame on you 2012 if you're actually doing that shit heh. They could easily be real people though. Who knows.

Everytime I see your av And Step, I keep on thinking that you're some handicapped person and I end up feeling sorry for you heh (not that you need my pity if you are actually handicapped). Care to explain your av choice? I mean no disrespect, I'm just curious. We can take off the gloves for a little while can't we?

I'll try to respond to your latest reply tomorrow.

 

[Plutarch]

How much time you spend , here, joining Plutarch to attack me because of yall's cowardices toward Extinguishing Racism's Inequalty

No disrespect, but for the first time I'm honestly starting to think that you don't actually believe what you are saying and are just here to argue with people even if they are right or if they agree with you. Maybe you just thrive on antagonism because it seems to me that you just love the attention. The possibility that you would create an alias to cosign yourself would make a lot of sense here. Also, the fact that you have an amazing 9000 posts also makes sense here.

I'm starting to doubt the point of even arguing with you, especially since all you do is talk superficially without even listening to the person you are arguing with. Nor do you even read or respond to the other person's arguments. Which is very similar to this "sun03" character, your alleged alias. Otherwise, you would know (because I have told you countless times) that I advocate the eradication of racial inequality and wouldn't have said something as absurd as you just did. You would also have known that I'm far from being in cahoots with And Step (since it's clear that we are apparently near-opposites) and that I am not attacking you but am attacking parts of your arguments. You are the one so insistent on attacking people. I have left that practice alone or have at least attempted to mitigate it. As I've said before, ad hominem and bickering is petty and childish and for that reason, I can only suspect that you are an immature, young adult, possibly a teenager.

The fact that you did not reply (or maybe you just have not yet replied) to my latest response tells me that either you have actually read it and agree with me or that you haven't really read anything (as usual) and have chosen to remain ignorant and disagreeable to anything that doesn't fit your agenda while at the same time throwing around empty and petty insults. In any case, if this is true, the point is that you really have nothing more to say. Which brings me back to my original point: obviously, there’s really no point in attempting to have a reasonable, logical argument with an unreasonable, illogical troll.

 

[And Step]

And your way, is to allow it...use your cowardice nature and your NOI TENETS of *bowdown to American GOVT subjugation as You simultaneously pretend you arent* and you still can't fool '12 one bit, with your dog and pony show

Bitch please. I don't allow it because I don't feed into it like you ambulance chasing house niggas.

Thats because you show them, that you are grateful, for how they are in control of your dynasty and in control of your income----just like Elijah Muhammad did...as you login to AHH and pretend otherwise-----just like the NOI does.

Negro please. There is nothing wrong with respecting the laws of the land as long as it does not conflict with your way of life. While you house negroes were begging people to fix your schools, substandard housing, and give you jobs, the Nationolist community was building all those things. Elijah Muhammad was doing business with foreign nations like Turkey and Peru.

You sound foolish here, as I demand what is already ours aka what we have shown to be most-productive and fruitful with, more than any other American species.

LOL. LOL LOL LOL. If you have to demand someone for it it is not yours. You havent shown shit but how to keep Black people looking in a false direction and keep them in perpetual second class citizenship.

Bush's NCLB Act, was underfunded by some 30+ billion dollars and Obama ain't doing much better. So, tell that lie elsewhere. *I'm out there getting young Black males back in school/GED* as I lie about their Exclusion from society, unlike you do, so there's nothing you post that reaches for solutions nor thirsts for answers to real problems.

Private schools and homeschoolers produce beter results with less financial support so your argument is bogus. All that money has nothing to do with proper education, environment, and methodology. These are the true foundation of an education.. All you niggas do is throw money in a pit allowing special interest white boy groups to dupe you into giving them more money through inititives like MCLB. They are playing the shit out of you.

Yep. *More Blacks grad colleges, yet more Blacks winding up underemployed or unemployed..

Proof that something is wrong with your tactics. How about Building industry so you can put your own to work like the Asian, Jews, and other minority groups. You ever see a Jew in the Unemployment office? When their boys leave school they have property, a place in the family business or a network of resources, funding and connections that allow them to go for themselves. All you stupid niggas got is diplomas and degrees. They are playing the shit out of you.

yep. *Black male hatred's fully effective now!

The Byproduct of forced intergration. You are getting what you deserve. Should have pushed for independence. They are playing the shit out of you.

You're so cowardice and closed-minded, you can't even get cognizant of how my tenets are EXACTLY proactive programmatic, thrusts, never relying upon reactionary tactics considering "the action" we purge has not changed, in 47 years.

Bitch please. Every time you post a incident highlighting wrong doing against blacks you are responding like a reactionary. If you are depending on an outside force to change towards you, then you are reactionary. Who you think you talking to? You are impotent. I can show you living concrete examples of mass movements of people adopting nationalist approach and becoming successful. You can't name integrationist movement that solved the problems they set out to cure. They mostly end up with assimilation or genocide.

The actual "reach" for Equality, itself, is what = achievement...as it then proves, that the mind has saw the error of it's ways. *A true man of God/Allah, never needs to be reminded of that in his speech.

GTFOH with that pseudo intellectual babble. If you cant do what the next man do then you are not equal. Point Blank, period.

You sound like a damn fool, as I've dropped audio here before, that was recorded/I spit the verse from a prison pay-phone...where I was at via refusing to bowdown for an element of racism we protested in America.

Whatever... getting arrested for civil disobedience and spending a few hours in jail for a misdemeanor change don't make you bout it, bout it.

I'm a litigation strategist who does legal-visits, at jails, where Black males absorb their civil rights constantly violated because they just so so Black and so field-NI99ER looking.

If you had pushed for control over government and law enforcement in areas where we predominate then that shit would not be happening. Your at the end of the process. It's too late. You are going to provide legal strategy but the judge, lawyers, and po-po are all in it together. They are playing the shit out of you.

Alright now, don't let NOI creep in here...lol...and read you calling yourself, a nigga

I was calling you one and those who you tring run game on. You can't run it on me . I know ya.......

 

[Lorenzo de Medici]

Damn, my shit went plat? Well dayum.

 

[And Step]

I've noticed this too and called out sun03 just for that. "She" really offered absolutely nothing to the discussion at all, but only to agree 100% and disagree 100%. Shame on you 2012 if you're actually doing that shit heh. They could easily be real people though. Who knows.

Everytime I see your av And Step, I keep on thinking that you're some handicapped person and I end up feeling sorry for you heh (not that you need my pity if you are actually handicapped). Care to explain your av choice? I mean no disrespect, I'm just curious. We can take off the gloves for a little while can't we?

I'll try to respond to your latest reply tomorrow.

No it's not real people. It happens very regularly. "People" with low post counts come in here and agree with him exclusively and try to disagree with everybody who doesn't buy his mularkey. It's an old IC trick. Only a few are good at it.

You must understand the backdrop behind Bendover2012. I came up with a category called the Singapore Award after the caning that is done in Singapore for transgressions, for the Social Lounge Awards, it was for the poster who gets whipped the most in debates. Shitsover 2012 won in a landslide. He was so far ahead in the balloting that they gave him his award early before the tallying was finished because they didn't have enough IC members to vote in the opposite to turn the tide.

My avi choice was because I had to step away for a while to heal from something I was afflicted with. I chose that to symbolize I am not where I was but not where I want to be. Hence the convalesing avi.

I am almost there but not quite. It's actually a reminder to myself.

 

[And Step]

You post here, just like you speak in real life

Attack racists as you suck their dyck, is real trife

I expose you, so of course...I have aliases!

Tho' I'm in the field, slaving on the daily, it's...

Lames like you, who hurt Blackfolk the worst

In wack NOI tenets...you're well-rehearsed!

And in... fat mouthing on home-school & unity

And of course you on that "nationalist" lunacy

Loony seed...is what your dad, went and plant

9 months later, your mom's certainly grimaced that!

As you run to ckock-ckuddle Singapore Award thread

Created by racists, weary, from me busting heads

Thrusting dread, in the form of anti-Racism facts

Where you forever cooning/saving face, with your acts

Members call me names....you keep running to co-sign

Since you're still hurt @ me blowing your dumb mind

I didn't know Young MC was a poster, here?

 

[And Step]

I didn't know Raymond Burr was a poster, here?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! That was a good one, I got to admit......you got me.

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[janklow]

... if appealing to racism won an election, in a Democracy, then that is proof its CERTAINLY legitimate.

so why don't you just state for the record that whatever reprehensible racist beliefs someone has are automatically legitimate if anyone votes in an election based on them and then the person they voted for wins? you can then proceed to never bitch about racism again, as you're sitting here telling us that it's legitimate if supported by random elections.

No, my friend. Despite any word trickery here, it's a fact that The Tea Party just won elections while harboring the same mindset we read in that SPAM Email.

no, it is your OPINION, because the actual fact is the reasons why elections were won or lost this past cycle were quite more complex than "racism." this would be why, for example, several Tea Party candidates lost

 

[allreasoned_out]

This garbage has been circulating for years. This thread should have been deleted immediately.

 

[stillmatic_01]

Even calling it Africa is a dishonor because that name is derived from Leo Africanus, a Roman.

Africa is not derived from Leo Africanus.

 

[stillmatic_01]

From what I know is Africanus wanst his family name he took the name after the Tribe called Afr which hannibal was from.

that's true but most people don't research or study and just repeat what sounds good to their ears.

 

[kingblaze84]

I agree, this thread should be locked or deleted

 

[stillmatic_01]

Have you heard of the Ethiopian Empire. It was the only empire that resisted being colonized by Europe in the 19th century. That empire goes all the way back to 980 B.C.

Ethiopia was colonized by Italy

 

[Plutarch]

No it's not real people. It happens very regularly. "People" with low post counts come in here and agree with him exclusively and try to disagree with everybody who doesn't buy his mularkey. It's an old IC trick. Only a few are good at it.

You must understand the backdrop behind Bendover2012. I came up with a category called the Singapore Award after the caning that is done in Singapore for transgressions, for the Social Lounge Awards, it was for the poster who gets whipped the most in debates. Shitsover 2012 won in a landslide. He was so far ahead in the balloting that they gave him his award early before the tallying was finished because they didn't have enough IC members to vote in the opposite to turn the tide.

Lol, that makes a lot of sense right there.

My avi choice was because I had to step away for a while to heal from something I was afflicted with. I chose that to symbolize I am not where I was but not where I want to be. Hence the convalesing avi.

I am almost there but not quite. It's actually a reminder to myself.

Oh? That’s deep. I respect that. Well, I wish you the best. Many of us have similar journeys to go through in life. I know that I do.

 

[Plutarch]

For you to join wheelchair-wackmaster, to count my posts, only shows that my arguments have stumped you and your irrational-mindset. You have no answers you have no solutions, you have no desire to create any. So you find cute, pastel ways, to join wheelchair-wiener here...to talk crazy, at he who is out in the field doing things to try to uplift Minorities who've succumbed to Racism's Hopelessness.

This is the exact same broken record you’ve been repeating for a long while now. It’s lame, childish (really, name calling?), insignificant, and weak (especially since you have failed so miserably to defend your stance). I can only agree with And Step and reiterate my point that you are incapable of successfully maintaining a logical and reasonable argument.

Dude. I don't respond to your idiotic posts, because I have an archive full-of-responses to dumbazz apologists of racism....check my archives....I responded months ago, to those same anti-Equality swipes like you contribute here now. I'm not rehashing that, just to apply intellectual medication to your self-hatred disease. That's why I destroyed your entire premise here...or sun03 or '12 or sun03 or, oh never mind!...lol... I referenced a few relevant Caucasians in America...who see the same thing I see. As you sit here continually marginalizing, and trivializing, and blaming Black victims for being victimized by racism.

When you want real answers and to discover real solutions, Then...I'll be out in the field niggu waiting on you!--- as you now live whatever your courage and subservience limit you to.

As I’ve said to sun03, that is a very lame excuse. Who initiates an argument with someone else but then backs out immediately saying “I’ve already said that so I don’t need to say it again therefore I have destroyed your ‘premise’”, and then even rejoins the argument time and time again to state the exact same fallacious and obviously false things he has previously said, completely blind to the other side of the debate/argument, while hurling childish insults here and there. Like I’ve said, only a person who has no concept of logic and reason would do that, and that is essentially why you are incompetent when it comes to argumentation.

I have a good feeling that if our specific argument here was moderated in a professional, argumentative setting in front of an audience, you’d be laughed off stage. But maybe I’m wrong, how about we make a thread and debate this very issue then and have posters vote and moderate? I’m not sure but I think that there is such a place on this forum for that. Will you accept my challenge then? I have nothing to lose, I don’t care and have never cared whether I win or lose. Disproving falsities and uncovering ignorance (and in your case, childishness) to get to enlightenment/truths is what I value above all. So, what will it be? Can you risk your precious ego for the sake of truth?