Racially Motivated Threads of the Social Lounge...

[janklow]

I see no reason for the OP not to be looked at seriously

the tone of the piece declares that it is not a legitimate complaint

it's merely racist Tea Party Movement tenets, anyway, so you'd better rethink your stance there pal...lol...they just won a few elections with those ways of thinking/wanting their country back!

no... it's a spam e-mail that's been going around for years, and the people who send it and take it seriously are retarded

if the problem here is that you're upset because you're counting yourself among that number, i don't know what to tell you

 

[Plutarch]

I agree and disagree with what you’ve said, but I honestly think that you have misunderstood some of what I had said. And some of that may be my fault for not being sufficiently articulate.

I think this is hogwash. The white racist doesn't think all Blacks are racist

Well, first, I don’t know if this changes anything for you, but when I said that “some white racists believe that all blacks are racists”, I actually meant that some white racists believe that some or most blacks are racist towards them, therefore these white racists justify their white racism as a defense against racist blacks in general. I still think that this is true, regardless of whether or not it is true that some or most blacks are racists (and I’m not saying that that is true). So what I was merely saying is that I believe that some white racists attempt to justify their racism by the “racist” things that some blacks do (again, I’m not necessarily agreeing with these white racists.) All I’m doing is trying to explain an aspect of their racism. I think that there are countless examples in this world that proves all this. For instance, I’m not sure whether or not you’re familiar with the Eve Carson story? She was a white UNC student president who was murdered seemingly randomly by two black man. I’m lazy, so here’s a quotation from author Amy Tiemann, explaining how white racists used that example of “black racism” to justify their white racism:

Race comes into this case as well, in especially pernicious ways. I believe that despite our dreams of liberty, racism is America's "original sin," the historical wrong that is still not healed to this day. In a tragic boomerang, two young black men killing a young white woman has the effect of reinforcing our worst ingrained fears and racial stereotypes, ultimately perpetuating the whole system of racism. I was appalled by the open racism displayed by many commenters on The New York Times coverage of the Carson case. Once the suspects were charged, many people immediately began to call for the death penalty and vigilante justice.

Other examples include white racists in the 1960s justifying their racism against blacks because they believed the Black Panther Party were racist, but the BPP were in fact not fundamentally racist. Or another example is the white racist belief that black men have and will target white women, and so white men must defend their women against blacks. But we also know that this is not true.

I’m also confused by your usage of “the white racist”. There are vastly different kinds of white racists as there are vastly different kinds of racism, correct? I think that all white racists have diverse opinions on blacks, so to say “the white racist” would be an oversimplification. I hope I didn’t give you the impression that I was talking about white racists in general because I was only referring to some white racists, and more specifically the ones who use black racism to justify their own racism.

and even if he did the IC would have no bearing on his stance. Your analysis of is myopic and misinformed.

Yes? The only way I can agree with you is if you’re saying that the IC would have no bearing on his stance because the IC would only prove his stance. But I’m going to guess that you disagreed with what I had said in my earlier post. So you are telling me that if a white racist thought that all blacks were racist and came here to this site, then nothing would matter? You don’t think that his racist position would be reaffirmed? You are aware that many posters on this site are clowns (and I don’t necessarily mean that in a bad way. I can be a clown too), whether they truly are stupid or are just joking around? And you are aware that many posters, being the clowns that they are, say extremely racist things about whites, whether they are joking or not, right? On this site, saying “cracker” and being racist against whites is a norm. So if a white racist who believes that all blacks are racist comes on this site, he won’t see any of that black racism that the IC has to offer and won’t see that black racism as a confirmation to his white racism? I don’t think that I follow you. Please explain.

 

[Plutarch]

The average black who you would deem racist is not interested in "racism" towards whites. They just want to sever a relationship that is based on privilige, inequity, and injustice.

I’m not sure exactly what you’re saying here when you talk about “the average black” so just for clarification purposes, I’d like to make it clear that I never said and don’t believe that the average black is racist. I was only talking about the “average black racist”, which is saying something completely different.

Ok, I just checked my post that you replied to, and I don’t see myself ever mentioning an “average black racist” so I don’t see how you can be certain about what my idea of an average black racist is. I don’t even know what an average black racist is. Anyways, if you are saying that white privilege, racial inequality, and racial injustice should be severed, then I agree. However, if you are saying that blacks must severe the relationship that they have with whites (which I don’t think you are saying at all), then I disagree for the most part.

Your stance is akin to the white liberal who sticks his head in the sand and tries to act like white racism is not virulent, active, alive and a guiding principle of global white hegemony. Or the Black liberal who says stupid shit like " White people if you don't take better care of us, then those negroes will tear up your house."

These are another set of your statements that I didn’t get. When did I suggest that white racism isn’t virulent, active, or alive? That’s not a rhetorical question, I honestly want to know when I said or implied that. Please direct me to a quotation and maybe we can figure this out because I do believe that white racism is virulent, active, and alive. Now the idea that white racism is a guiding principle of global white hegemony, I may agree and disagree. I may agree that there is a global hegemony in this world today and I may agree that white racism is one (of many) mechanism that keeps it intact, but I disagree that the hegemony is based on race. I instead believe that it is much more based on elitism. Those in global power and influence come from all races. Our little situation here in America is only a portion of the situation present worldwide. It’s not the same white dominance in Africa, Asia, etc. If my memory serves me correctly, the richest (and perhaps the most powerful) man in the world is not white or black. And the African elite have been robbing African citizens of their glory, gold, and God for a long time now. And you cannot entirely blame the white man for that. Believe me, I’m African and I know this.

Just because someone displays nationalistic thoughts doesn't mean that they hate or are racist towards others.

Again, when did I say or imply this? If my memory serves me correctly, I actually said exactly what you said days ago in another post.

And your Knowledgable black comment is akin to "Responsible Negro or Good darkie thought process.

Really? Please explain, I don’t follow you here.

Black people are intelligent enough to make their own decisions pal without you setting the parameters of what they should, think, feel, or plan.

For one, I never intended to set any parameters. Here, for the thousandth time, I think that you are putting words in my mouth. I was simply stating a truth that I believe. Yes black people can make any decision that they want. That’s called freedom and that’s one of the things that I believe in more than anything else, so please don’t accuse me of being authoritarian. But just because you have the freedom to make any decision that you want doesn’t mean that any decision is the most truthful. But nevermind that. I didn’t even say or believe that blacks aren’t intelligent enough to make their own decision. I think that you are severely misunderstanding what I am saying. My statement wasn’t even about intelligence, it was about knowledge. And my statement wasn’t even much about race either. What I meant was that a black person (and he really doesn’t even have to be black, just any human being) who’s knowledge is limited by racism, television, or a lack of worldly experience will not see as many truths in life as a human who generally has more knowledge and less bias or subjectivism. For instance, if I live my life believing that all or most blacks are poor then I’m believing in a falsity and don’t truly have knowledge of the world because that idea is not true . In this case, for instance, my knowledge of the world may be stunted because I’ve only read and seen poor black folk my whole entire life. I think that some blacks exhibit this limited knowledge and therefore believe in falsities or half-truths. Moreover, I think that many peoples of many races (race really is generally irrelevant) also fall victim in the same way.

 

[Plutarch]

I agree 100%. Plutarch is either very naive on the history of white oppression worldwide or supports it. It's one or the other.

Hm. I think its neither. It's certainly not the latter.

But I'm open to discuss anything with anybody, you never know when you're wrong about something until you know. So please enlighten me on my naivety on the history of white oppression.

 

[Plutarch]

Thankfully these two individuals have enough basic common sense to understand where I'm coming from. Unlike you 2012, and H-Rap who live to agitate every situation,these two individuals are a pleasant and refreshing change.

You're welcome. I think that you and ether (and some other cats as well like John Prewett) are very truthful dudes and I'm really thankful for that, especially on a site like this heh. I dont know H-rap (though i think i've read some of his posts and if I remember correctly it consists of "cracker this" and "cracker that" so...) but I think that 2012 is just overemphasizing race and mostly has this grand "white v. black" dichotomy on his mind. And then he basically calls anyone who disagrees with him a white sympathizer. I hate white racism/racists and racism/racists in general also. I hate American slavery and those who put it in place also. In fact, I hate all the forefathers for not having the balls to abolish slavery from the jump though there are ambivalent claims that to do so would have destroyed our young country. That's why John Adams is my favorite founding father (along with Washington) because he was against slavery from start to finish. Yet after all this, I'm still a coon and an apologist for generally respecting white people and devoting myself to logic instead of devoting myself to my race (which is bias and partial) because God knows I cant betray my race right? Basically, I'm an apologist because I don't live up to 2012's black nationalist standards. From the way the argument's going, it looks like I'm the coon, And Step is the Muslim fanatic, and 2012 is the senseless black nationalist heh. Just joking fellas.

Though I still respect 2012 (and everyone else) all the same. I just dont agree with him. My opinion of him is the same opinion he probably holds of me, I think that he's misguided.

 

[INFAREDSHAWTY]

*slowly backs out of thread*

 

[And Step]

You're welcome. I think that you and ether (and some other cats as well like John Prewett) are very truthful dudes and I'm really thankful for that, especially on a site like this heh. I dont know H-rap (though i think i've read some of his posts and if I remember correctly it consists of "cracker this" and "cracker that" so...) but I think that 2012 is just overemphasizing race and mostly has this grand "white v. black" dichotomy on his mind. And then he basically calls anyone who disagrees with him a white sympathizer. I hate white racism/racists and racism/racists in general also. I hate American slavery and those who put it in place also. In fact, I hate all the forefathers for not having the balls to abolish slavery from the jump though there are ambivalent claims that to do so would have destroyed our young country. That's why John Adams is my favorite founding father (along with Washington) because he was against slavery from start to finish. Yet after all this, I'm still a coon and an apologist for generally respecting white people and devoting myself to logic instead of devoting myself to my race (which is bias and partial) because God knows I cant betray my race right? Basically, I'm an apologist because I don't live up to 2012's black nationalist standards. From the way the argument's going, it looks like I'm the coon, And Step is the Muslim fanatic, and 2012 is the senseless black nationalist heh. Just joking fellas.

Though I still respect 2012 (and everyone else) all the same. I just dont agree with him. My opinion of him is the same opinion he probably holds of me, I think that he's misguided.

Coon post.

 

[And Step]

Well people perceive you as a former-inmate, who keeps taking hiatus to go do parole-violation stints in prison--------where you honed your NOI essence, but that has nothing to do with your nonsensical argument I pointed out re: you making up/concocting people who have no voice no power no clout, on the political nor social fabric..

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LOL. Never spent a day in jail in my life. Not that it means anything. But according to your Bible, Jesus and Paul were convicts. Your idea of clout is which white man shoes you can shine the fastest to give you a job or some grant money. You civil rights negroes have no clout past what the white dude gives you.

once again, your argument is designed to attack equality-seeking Blacks and obfuscate advocacy, because you were too afraid or too submissive, to get involved...lol...you're like Plutarch, in the way you want no solutions to real problems you want no answers to real challenges, all you want to do is hate on Blacks who's courage towers over your cowardices

You can't beg, shout, or petition for equality you have to work for it. No man will respect you ever as an equal until you demonstrate the ability to do something for yourself, particularly oppressors and slavemaster. When you have the ability to bring things into fruition and power to put things into motion then you can talk equality. You niggas don't want equality. You want patronage for elitist blacks from a benevelont overseer. How can I respect someone as my equal that I take care of? You want to know how to get equality? Look at China. They did not beg or petition the West for equality. They put in work. They didn't beg the West for aid to include in their national budgets like most African governments do. And as long as you misguided, poverty pimpin, dyed in the wool, hambone, two in the front, one in the back, hat in the hand, biscuit out the back door, chicken wing on the side door, black elitist lobbying, black bodies, white head ass niggas keep your reactionary ways you will always be in the back of the line. Your whole style is chump.

I am not against advocacy. But if you think advocacy is the solution to our problems then you are dumber than a bag of chicken wing tips. Nigga there are people who need things and they go and make it happen. That is real courage. Not whining like bitches after every perceived slight because you don't have the balls to go into unchartered territory. People like Marva Collins, Reginald Lewis, African Hebrews in Jerusalem. My children are being educated in the midst of a failing public school system and I don't have time to wait until they get it right. You call it cowardice, I call it proactive. The same people who are planning to throw your children into the growing prison system are the same ones controlling your education centers.

You niggas don't tower over anything but these nuts.

Do you ever see Jews or Asians resort to these silly tactics? Do you ever see them holding vigils marching over bridges, holding open townhall meetings? We have more political representation and population than both of these groups, yet they are ahead of us in the political social realm. Why is that?

 

[Plutarch]

Plutarch

Thanks! for being forthright. I've always been honest,and stated my feelings about issues brought forth on this site. There's a thin line between Love and Hate. Unfortunately the majority within this site never see the good but only see the latter in that Love hate scenario of mine.

Heh yeah, that truly is unfortunate. I've been there. You might not believe me, but I completely understand that thin line between love and hate jawn. That line can get extremely thin too. But I see the former part of that scenario with you and others very clearly. It sucks to be misunderstood and misunderstood in such an ironic way too. Yeah, its unfortunate, but it still doesn't change who you are and what you believe in. Still, I don't think that you can ever go wrong with being honest.

 

[Plutarch]

Coon post.

Ad hominem, irrelevant post that offers nothing to the discussion at hand.

 

[Plutarch]

Dude.

*You have a forum full of posts where you, basically, find subliminal ways to apologize for the effects of slavery, instead of exchanging beautiful ideas for purging racism from society.

Really, wow I just don’t understand this. Please make me understand by directing me to these claims that you accuse me of making (I believe that I have asked for this many times). I will never understand or believe the claims that you are making about me until I see them with my own eyes. Please provide me quotations in which I subliminally apologize for the effects of slavery.

For one thing, subliminals aren’t my style so if I am indeed subliminally apologizing for the effects of slavery, you can at least say that I’m doing it unconsciously. I don’t have to apologize for the effects of slavery, don’t need to, and certainly don’t want to. Apologizing for the effects of slavery is one thing. Saying that even though slavery has affected conditions in America today, but not to the point in which you can justifiably blame all or most whites today and/or in which blacks have been rendered helpless today is entirely another thing. Please don’t make me into what you want to make me into because unfortunately for you, I’m not that guy.

*You hate solutions, but you love blaming victims for being victimized, by White's powerful racism.

Wow, again please guide me to a statement that I have made that supports this accusation because it’s not true. I actually love solutions and have many ideas on many solutions. I actually made a whole thread about one solution and have offered many additional solutions. I actually think that the best solution to help blacks as a peoples is through education and good parenting. So I don’t follow you there. As for loving to blame “victims for being victimized by ‘white powerful racism’”, I need you to point me to a quotation in which I said or implied this because I don’t know what you are talking about there.

That is why you relate to heyslick & ether, so well....lol....it's a known fact that ether refuses to hold Whites accountable for their actions/the continual effects of slavery, and.... heyslick only cozies up to members who post, in ways, which show they are cool with inequality.

I relate to heyslick and ether so well (though I may still have my little disagreements with them, so don’t assume we all are one big happy family even though I have much respect for the two) because they are logical and truthful. Ether (I assume) and I are not downplaying and/or denying slavery and its effects so please stop making that hyperbole. We are merely saying that slavery is not the end all-be all. We, contrary to what you have said, actually want Black Americans to advocate solutions to racial problems in the U.S. and not to just sit idle and blame slavery for their troubles.

I guess the main argument (which we have unfortunately wandered away from. and in which we need to get back to desperately) is whether or not whites today should be blamed for the effects of slavery. I, for one, (my memory is failing me so I’m not sure about Ether, he may have disagreed or may disagree with me here) have already told you specifically in so many words and reasons why I believe for the most part that whites today should not be blamed for the effects of slavery today. Instead of continuing the discussion at hand and specifically replying to these arguments of mine, I believe that you (and mainly others since I was most likely directing my reply to others) basically turned up your noses, forwent the entire argument at hand, and simply went back to preaching your beliefs and name calling. None of this is getting us anywhere. Until you actually specifically read and respond to what we have to say instead of relying on your unfavorable impressions of us and making haughty comments on your own false generalizations of what we actually said, only then can we actually move the discussion forward and get somewhere. Most of what I see is just ad hominem, and people stubbornly sticking to their own beliefs, and people not even listening to the people that they are arguing with but instead completely misrepresenting what they say and attacking that misrepresentation. I really think that you guys are skimming (not reading) through what we say, forming in your mind what you want to hear us say, and then attacking that mess without even really understanding the opposition’s position and argument. How else can I explain the wide and inconsistent ideas that you continuously bestow on myself at least. It’s as if you are responding to another person. It’s irritating.

As for what you said about heyslick, I’m assuming that he doesn’t advocate or agree with inequality. And I also see that, as with me, once again you are committing a straw man fallacy or being very hyperbolic. To even suggest that I support inequality is ridiculous and should be embarrassing on your part.

 

[Plutarch]

You despise Black people who actually seek to attack problems and racism, so of course you would concoct such an out-of-touch harlequinade, to post about me....

False. Once again, for the hundredth time, you are just making big, scornful statements about me that have no truth to them. I applaud black people who seek to attack problems and racism. I still stand by my original post, but I think I need to clarify to you what I meant, especially since you seem so insulted. When I said that I suspect you of being racist (I’m assuming this was your main point of contention), I was not specifically comparing you to Hitler or to the KKK or to blacks who use violence against whites because they are white. There are many different kinds of and extents to racism. Anyways, I suspected you of racism simply because you seem to believe so heartedly in race. Racism is simply the ideology of race. In my opinion, one who believes in race is a racist (which is in itself not a terrible or harmful thing). I know that it’s casual to believe in race nowadays so I would say that many, many Americans are basically racists (and I’m not necessarily saying that you and they are supremacists or anything). Now with that being said, I felt it was necessary to bring this up in your case not because I was trying to insult you (that’s petty and I don’t do that) but because you really seem to believe very much in race to the point where it hinders your sense of logic and impartiality (If you’re the kind of person that I think you are, I suspect that you’ll probably scoff at that idea, but I still think that it’s true). Your use of “white America” and your fixation on this white v. black dichotomy are two examples of this racist (meaning that they are grounded in the idea of race) behavior. I think that both of these concepts are false, racist, and wholly unnecessary and mostly counter-productive.

Here is a lil' proof of how irresponsibly-irrational your picture is, of me;

~ask those you post to here, that have debated me for months, am I black nationalist/pro-Black, or am I simply, pro-Equality.?

You first phrase is a bit ungrammatical? so I’m not sure what you are saying exactly. But I’m suggesting that you are saying that you are pro-equality and not black nationalist/pro black? Well, I’m not going to ask other people who you are. All you have to do is just tell me straight up who you are and I’ll believe you until you show otherwise. You don’t have to prove anything to me. I only suspected you of being a black nationalist/pro-black. If you aren’t, then that’s cool. If you are pro-equality (and I can’t at the moment specifically think of anything you have said that would suggest otherwise), that’s cool too. I consider myself pro-equality too. We shouldn’t be arguing about that because we both believe in equality for all peoples. Btw, It is possible to be both pro-equality and pro-black. Also, there isn’t anything wrong with being pro-black in itself.

~ask them, do I create countless threads praising Caucasians, I repeat, praising Caucasians who acknowledge Racism's inequality and help us Blacks combat racism, that you trivialized and marginalized here.

Again, I’m not asking anybody anything. And I don’t think I have trivialized anything so please direct me to where I have done so. If you have made those “countless” threads, then I applaud you but that doesn’t really prove much. That doesn’t change the fact that you still have displayed a bias/grudge towards whites in general in this thread.

~ Ask them, do I claim that great Whites like Hillary Clinton, John Sylvester, Tim Wise, Doug Massey, Lori Brown, etc....care far far far more about Blacks, than Obama?

See my previous response.

~ ask them how many times have I mentioned making...music, civil protests, home-sharing, litigation strategies, Hustles and other things, with White people?

No disrespect but the same previous response fits here too.

~Ask them if what I say here is all true....how foolish do you look, posting that nonsensically-obfuscatory gobbledygook, at me?

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Man, if I offended you, I’m sorry dude. I meant no disrespect. You do not have to resort to directing such language at me. I would like to point out that if you were indeed angry about the racist accusation. Remember I only suspected you of being a racist (and a black nationalist) and I already explained why, and still stand by it (not the black nationalist accusation though, I no longer believe that you are a black nationalist if you say that you aren’t) as of now.

If you're walking around America, abreast of the society's daily chain-of-events, and...you still need it explained to you???? Then......you're probably assisting in the annihilation!

Heh that was a funny and scary response at the same time. You should try a hand at writing horror stories. And I’m not being facetious. Anyways, to quote you, you said that I want inequality “to annihilate Blacks freely”. Although I might’ve actually thought that you were talking about extinction instead of annihilation, my other points of contention was your implication (or my misinterpretation) that White America is behind a systematic annihilation against blacks. Even if that was true, all I’m asking is for evidence. I’m not even saying that it’s not true. I just require evidence for claims in order to prove them true. Talking is just talking. But when you back up that talk, then you’re really saying something. I find it odd that I ask you for evidence for your statements every now and then, and nearly every time you either ignore me or come up with nothing (I also find it odd that you tend to nitpick a small portion of an entire post of mine and attack that little bit as if that’s a substantial counter argument to my whole argument). You’ll even answer me but still come up empty. I asked you evidence here and you even were so sure of yourself yet you still didn’t offer any evidence. Makes me wonder if all of your talk is just superficial. Also makes me wonder if ignoring people while at the same time attacking them in a snobbish manner is your M.O. No disrespect.

I’m aware that inequality hinders the quality of life for blacks (as well as other races) in America. I’m aware that sometimes, not all of the time, this leads to the death of that black individual. But to say that because of inequality, blacks face annihilation just seems odd to me. I don’t know, maybe its your use of “annihilation”, that just seems conspiracist to me. Do I think that blacks face annihilation? Nevermind the generalization of such an idea, but I don’t think that I can agree or disagree with such a general statement. Do blacks face extinction? I think not, blacks, including American blacks, will always be on this Earth until doomsday or whatever. Again, you are so sure of this idea, so just drop some knowledge for an ignoramus like me. That’s all that I’m asking.

 

[Plutarch]

So, There's a white guy named Tim Wise, who can explain it to you without worry of your trivializing and marginalizing reality, so....here you go:

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That was a good read and I agree with much of what he said. Though it was not big news to me. Many of us are already aware of everything that he said. And everyone should have knowledge of what he said.

I suspect that you think that I am one of those people that don’t want to dwell on the past. I’ve already asked you to show me evidence proving this. But I will try to clarify my position for you now. I believe that the past (as well as the present and future, and this is very important) should never be forgotten. I actually believe that the history of the United States should evoke guilt and disgust. And I think that Americans should face this history head on, as it is only the truth. Like the Germans who must face Germany’s history in World War II, Americans should face everything from the blatant racism of the American government to, speaking of World War II, the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as well as the “concentration camps” America imposed on Japanese Americans during the war. To face our history is to understand where we are now and to come to terms with it and to make a change. As for slavery, yes, let us face slavery and understand its effects on modern society. But let’s not make scapegoats out of whites, some whose ancestors were not even in America during the duration of African American slavery. I could say more, but I have already said most of what I wanted to say earlier (it’s your decision if you want to read it or not, but if you don’t, then don’t bring up the issue because I’m not going to repeat myself and then have you ignore what I’ve said and go on patting yourself on the back while you’re harping about something entirely different.). And let us not just sit idle and blame slavery for all of our woes. We need to remember the past and the present.

Yes, I agree with Mr. Wise. We should talk about racism. Rather (and this was my main point of contention with Mr. Wise’s speech), we should inform the public about the baselessness of the concept of race, which is so grounded in American society. Inform the public that race is not only made up and has no biological foundation, but that it is primarily used to divide us in harmful ways. Let us just understand that race is not substantial and is flimsy. We fixate ourselves instead to more grounded concepts such as ethnicity, religion, culture, etc and make sure we respect these values and educate ourselves through multiculturalism because, like it or not, we are all connected to each other, especially in these modern times. We should also talk about prejudice, discrimination, and other harmful practices as it not only relates to ethnicities, but also to groups of different genders, sexualities, ages, etc. Why should we do so? More than anything, because it exists today. It’s not irrelevant that it existed in the past, but I don’t see any reason to ignore a vice that affects people in these modern times. Prohibiting people from talking about these issues is only ignoring the pink elephant in the room. Sadly, this is very much the case in the professional world. To be professional is to be ignorant.

I somewhat disagree what he said about Obama though. I’m not an Obama groupie, trust me. But I largely suspect that Obama is smarter than that and I suspect that we all know that. He knows what’s going on in this world, especially with Americans. Obama’s not that ignorant. The worst that you can say is that he is turning a blind eye to all of this. But what do you expect from a politician? Is this supposed to be a surprise? Anyways, I still think that Obama has made some (not absolute) general progress. Will this progress serve to mitigate discrimination? Time will tell. There’s a reason why we wait a long while to truly evaluate a president. The point still persists that in order to truly have an effective president that advocates justice, virtue, and morality, the system needs to change (and I’m not calling for a bloody revolution. I just want to see all that fake ass politics bullshit put to rest) or perhaps the people need to be educated immediately.

once again, your argument is designed to attack equality-seeking Blacks and obfuscate advocacy, because you were too afraid or too submissive, to get involved...lol...you're like Plutarch, in the way you want no solutions to real problems you want no answers to real challenges, all you want to do is hate on Blacks who's courage towers over your cowardices

More slander, straw man, and falsities. This is becoming quite cumbersome…

It’s also odd that you compare me to And Step. I think that And Step and I are opposites. If I represented a left, he’d be the right. And I think that you’d be just a tad bit further left from me. If I remember correctly, he seems to be somewhat of a segregationist/separatist as well as a Black Muslim. In contrast, I think that we both admitted that we both advocate equality and integration and admire/respect whites? So you’re comparison is quite puzzling.

 

[And Step]

you seem to be intentionally overlooking what he's talking about there

And you and Ether are intentionally overlooking the truth of the statement that he is making. The point is there was and is principles in that Willie Lynch later that are put into practice.

Light skin dark skin dynamic is real. Highlighting differences in social and economic status. Elevating the female and villifying non compliant negroes.

People have used fables, parables, and stories to illustrate principles and convey truths through the annals of time. No need to throw up red herrings

 

[And Step]

It’s also odd that you compare me to And Step. I think that And Step and I are opposites. If I represented a left, he’d be the right. And I think that you’d be just a tad bit further left from me. If I remember correctly, he seems to be somewhat of a segregationist/separatist as well as a Black Muslim. In contrast, I think that we both admitted that we both advocate equality and integration and admire/respect whites? So you’re comparison is quite puzzling.

You can't label me duke. I believe in many facets of human existence, just depends on the time and circumstances. I am for unity and separation. I also believe in equality. I respect whites. You equate respect with admiration and they are not the same thing. Integration doesn't mean you respect them any more than anyone else. Proximity means nothing.

The founding fathers you claim to admire were separatists in building this nation. They were willing to die for that principle. So would you dispute their platform and decry others? That shows that you are really racially condescending towards blacks.

 

[Plutarch]

You can't label me duke.

Firstly, we all label each other. We use terms in order to attempt to make sense of ourselves. We all partially fit different labels. Get over it. Secondly, my aim wasn't to give you an overarching label, it was to, again, make sense out of our each of our complex positions through gerneralizations, and I was only speculating. I didn't make an assertion on what kind of person you were.

I believe in many facets of human existence, just depends on the time and circumstances. I am for unity and separation. I also believe in equality. I respect whites.

Ok, I'll keep all this in mind. As for the last statement, that seems odd because if I rememeber correctly, you have said some antagonistly essentialist things about whites. Though you could have said those things and still respect whites. I guess I don't understand you there.

You equate respect with admiration and they are not the same thing.

No, I don't equate respect with admiration. And I never did, so I don't understand where you got that from. Ok, I just saw that I said "admire/respect", that must be what you are referring to. That didn't mean that I used them as equals. When I said that I meant "admire and/or respect".

Integration doesn't mean you respect them any more than anyone else. Proximity means nothing.

I didn't say or imply that integration means respect. I was saying that integration just means integration.

The founding fathers you claim to admire were separatists in building this nation. They were willing to die for that principle. So would you dispute their platform and decry others? That shows that you are really racially condescending towards blacks.

Yes the founding fathers were separatists. Being a separatist in itself isn't what I oppose. It depends on what you advocate. The founding fathers were separatists for democracy and republicanism, which I consider virtues. The, say, NOI in the 1960s as well as many white supremacists were separatists for racial supremacy and prejudice, which I consider vices. Though I did say "separatist/segregationalist". Maybe it would make more sense if we use segregationalist instead of separatist?

What?! How does this show that I am really racially condescending towards blacks? I have no idea what you are talking about. This issue isn't even so much about race. Bringing up race seemingly out of nowhere is very odd and telling.

 

[kingblaze84]

Firstly, we all label each other. We use terms in order to attempt to make sense of ourselves. We all partially fit different labels. Get over it. Secondly, my aim wasn't to give you an overarching label, it was to, again, make sense out of our each of our complex positions through gerneralizations, and I was only speculating. I didn't make an assertion on what kind of person you were.

Ok, I'll keep all this in mind. As for the last statement, that seems odd because if I rememeber correctly, you have said some antagonistly essentialist things about whites. Though you could have said those things and still respect whites. I guess I don't understand you there.

No, I don't equate respect with admiration. And I never did, so I don't understand where you got that from. Ok, I just saw that I said "admire/respect", that must be what you are referring to. That didn't mean that I used them as equals. When I said that I meant "admire and/or respect".

I didn't say or imply that integration means respect. I was saying that integration just means integration.

Yes the founding fathers were separatists. Being a separatist in itself isn't what I oppose. It depends on what you advocate. The founding fathers were separatists for democracy and republicanism, which I consider virtues. The, say, NOI in the 1960s as well as many white supremacists were separatists for racial supremacy and prejudice, which I consider vices. Though I did say "separatist/segregationalist". Maybe it would make more sense if we use segregationalist instead of separatist?

What?! How does this show that I am really racially condescending towards blacks? I have no idea what you are talking about. This issue isn't even so much about race. Bringing up race seemingly out of nowhere is very odd and telling.

You're one of the most naive posters I've ever seen on the Social Lounge. The Founding Fathers were not just separatists for democracy and republicanism. LOL are you fucking serious??? The Founding Fathers (most of them) were hardcore racists who believed in separatism among racial and gender lines as well. They wanted separate lives for Whites and Blacks, and forced Native Americans off their lands to move into SEPARATE places. Do you read the shit you say?

 

[kingblaze84]

the tone of the piece declares that it is not a legitimate complaint

no... it's a spam e-mail that's been going around for years, and the people who send it and take it seriously are retarded

if the problem here is that you're upset because you're counting yourself among that number, i don't know what to tell you

You're right on two counts: the letter is not a legitimate complaint and people SHOULD NOT take it seriously. I can give you props for that

 

[And Step]

Firstly, we all label each other. We use terms in order to attempt to make sense of ourselves. We all partially fit different labels. Get over it. Secondly, my aim wasn't to give you an overarching label, it was to, again, make sense out of our each of our complex positions through gerneralizations, and I was only speculating. I didn't make an assertion on what kind of person you were.

Yeah, you did.

Ok, I'll keep all this in mind. As for the last statement, that seems odd because if I rememeber correctly, you have said some antagonistly essentialist things about whites. Though you could have said those things and still respect whites. I guess I don't understand you there.

That is because you are only concerned with white peoples feelings. If you read my post you would see that I am critical of Black behavior also. But since your in love with white people you take up their defense when it is not warranted. The way you take their defense would lead one to believe that you are either a cracker or a nigga that thinks he is a cracker

No, I don't equate respect with admiration. And I never did, so I don't understand where you got that from. Ok, I just saw that I said "admire/respect", that must be what you are referring to. That didn't mean that I used them as equals. When I said that I meant "admire and/or respect".

Duly noted

I didn't say or imply that integration means respect. I was saying that integration just means integration.

Well when ypou put yourself in the intergrationist mode and put me in the segregationist mode and followed it up with respect and admire as your attributes and not mine then you did imply such.

Yes the founding fathers were separatists. Being a separatist in itself isn't what I oppose. It depends on what you advocate. The founding fathers were separatists for democracy and republicanism, which I consider virtues. The, say, NOI in the 1960s as well as many white supremacists were separatists for racial supremacy and prejudice, which I consider vices. Though I did say "separatist/segregationalist". Maybe it would make more sense if we use segregationalist instead of separatist?

My man you should shut it down. This is the most outloud laughable screed I have ever seen. Republicanism and democracy? Really. Well explain the 3/5 of a human being thing? Explain the millions of Blacks held in chattel slavery? Explain the genocidal campaign to decimate millions of Red Native Americans. Explain the exclusion and discriminatory practice against certain European immigrants and women? You have lost all credibility to speak on this issue. The NOI and other Nationalist movements in the 60's and 70's which you know nothing about were about developing independent institutions since blacks were not allowed to participate equally with whites. Their platform was the same as the founding fathers who felt they were being treated equally by the Crown. The status quo was white racial supremacy. So what sane, intelligent man would not seek to gain a position of advantage after being disenfranchised for centuries. Segregation means being separated but controlled by another. It does not have as a component, independence.

What?! How does this show that I am really racially condescending towards blacks? I have no idea what you are talking about. This issue isn't even so much about race. Bringing up race seemingly out of nowhere is very odd and telling.

Because you always rush to the defense of white people and take on black people. The question ws discourse in the black community and you come in here with some house nigga nonsense about white people and racism. What can you as a supposed continental African tell me about racism that I don't know or have experienced?

 

[And Step]

Wow, you are on point, seriously. I agree with you 100 percent.

I've noticed the attitude that Plutarch has, some others have. Its really sad.

Rusty Shackelford/Its Over2012 alias.

All his cosigners have low post count and you never see them after a little while.