Racially Motivated Threads of the Social Lounge...

[musicology1985]

Lets stay on topic. It's not about how they're doing now, because you fully know that Sharpton can't reach every drop-out student on the verge of crack-sales and violence.

And neither can the other Black Leaders who get unfairly attacked and marginalized. The topic is, they are not numb to violence and the components of violence--------------yet deceitful types try to paint them as being numb. That's the topic, so I would enjoy continuing it-----if we stay on that.

black leadership as a whole have followed a failed strategy--------integration & civil rights (not independence & human rights, like Booker T. Washington @ Marcus Garvey taught.)

black leadership waits for the drama to pop off and then reacts, instead of putting a system in place to prevent the tragedies from happening.

 

[musicology1985]

however, reform is coming.

 

[shootemwon]

okay, well I think it's only fair, to validate your opinion. For instance, I used facts below from earlier:

to validate how what you say Sharpton shouldn't be doing------is actually EXACTLY what he should be doing, in fighting against Inequality.

Again, please show a better way to rally a Democracy to combat a social-ill, some racial-discrimination, some cancerous element which hurts Democracy-------------without informing the masses?

I'm not saying he shouldn't be publicizing his efforts and that he should never go on TV. I'm saying the style in which he does it is counter productive. Not every TV appearance he does is bad, but here's an example of what I mean.

[video=youtube;yXX3yxmfUQs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXX3yxmfUQs[/video]

I can't say it's helpful to the cause when he's going on a show like The O'Reilly Factor (which will always intentionally do everything they can to make a guy like Sharpton look like a silly cartoon character) to argue with Bill about whether or not the recently deceased Michael Jackson was "weird" or not.

 

[musicology1985]

I just gave real, live, American examples, of you being incorrect here. Feel free to address them.

u gave no examples disproving what I said. Al Sharpton was on the radio yesterday wondering why black deaths are overlooked when we have a black President and Attorney General. real simple. 1. no lobby. 2. no collective wealth. 3. no security service to aid in our protection, because quite frankly, the U.S. Police Force & Sheriff Department has always been an occupying Army when it comes to blacks in this country.

This is why they destroyed the UNIA & Black Panther Party while keeping the Urban League, NAACP as well as similar groups in tact. those orgs are good to a certain extent, but sometimes we have to be more hands on in the prevention department. since 1970, we been soft.

 

[shootemwon]

Again, I think yours is a matter of opinion. Perhaps, with little regard for truth and what it takes to get truth out.

Michael Jackson was destroyed, by White racists. Therefore it is Reverend Sharpton's job, to use his platform, for exposing White-racists who do that. You posted footage, of him doing exactly that. I have no problem, whatsoever, with that which you linked up from The O'Reilly Factor.

I would've been pissed, had Sharpton not gone on there and defended Jackson's Blackness for FOX-TV racist viewers across America...they are who EXACTLY needed to experience Sharpton's words.

In the fight against racism, success sometimes requires you not only to be right, but also to get your point across effectively. Sharpton went on Fox News to defend Michael Jackson, but the Fox News audience would generally have a less favorable opinion of Sharpton than they did of Jackson. Any white American who believed the negative depictions of Michael Jackson would most likely see that interview and just become more firm in their belief of those negative depictions. That was simply the wrong venue for Sharpton to make the case for Jackson, but it was certainly not harmful to Sharpton's career as a TV personality to be debating such a topic right after Michael's death.

And that's an opinion, but only as much as your opinion that it was good for him to do the interview.

 

[musicology1985]

u gave no examples disproving what I said. Al Sharpton was on the radio yesterday wondering why black deaths are overlooked when we have a black President and Attorney General. real simple. 1. no lobby. 2. no collective wealth. 3. no security service to aid in our protection, because quite frankly, the U.S. Police Force & Sheriff Department has always been an occupying Army when it comes to blacks in this country.

This is why they destroyed the UNIA & Black Panther Party while keeping the Urban League, NAACP as well as similar groups in tact. those orgs are good to a certain extent, but sometimes we have to be more hands on in the prevention department. since 1970, we been soft.

I'm not knocking Sharpton in particular. He's good at bringing attention to issues. Nevertheless, we have to unite a large segemt of the educational, business & political elite to form a black American LOBBY IN D.C. A STRONG AGGRESSIVE LOBBY. the Jews have already laid the blue print for this kind of work. The Church's, Hair Industry blacks etc. have to unite to bring together large shares of collective wealth (because that's were the majority of it is that can be cornered.) The Black Panther Party & FOI have already laid down the blueprint of how to run an effective security service for black interests.

 

[shootemwon]

It's not an opinion, but fact...that truth has no concern for it's audience

...therefore it is NOT Reverend Sharpton's job, to force you to accept truth.

It's only his job, to present it.

And he did that, perfectly. Upon a White-racist's television show, watched by millions of Americans. So I'm at a loss, for words, over your outlook that was not EXACTLY a place where he should do it.

One can get mad at Rev. Sharpton's truth, as a White-racist viewer, but once their Ears heard his truth------they're forced to discern that.

The human conscience has no concern, for what we don't like, if it was truthful it's going to hurt us where it should. That's just the way God made it work...and Sharpton played on it, in a Dr.King-esque way indeed.

That's your opinion that the truth is best presented without an effort to appeal to the audience who will be hearing it. I'd think that any civil rights lawyer who has ever won a tough case knows this is true.

I also don't agree with your premise that when racist viewers heard what Sharpton had to say, they were forced to confront the truth, like it or not. White racists think that Sharpton is a complete liar with no integrity whatsoever, and that his life's work is motivated not by a vision of justice for black people, but only a hatred of white people. That is what they think, I've heard it said plenty of times. So for them, Sharpton might as well have been saying that Michael single-handedly invented to polio vaccine and stopped Hitler. They'd take those claims equally as seriously as the true things that he actually said.

And lastly, if you're going to talk about Dr. King, I think it's worth noting that he certainly seemed to be very mindful of how his audience would perceive his efforts. The use of non-violence was not simply a moral value or a core principle of King and his movement. He knew that non-violent resistance by him and his people would produce images and footage of the brutality that they faced in which no one could misrepresent or deny what was really going on. He also knew that a good number of white people up North who had thus far been passive and disinterested in addressing the legalized discrimination in the south, would recognize that what they are seeing is the racist White Establishment behaving like savages in their brutalization of black activists who were peacefully pursuing justice. It worked precisely because he thought about these things and was a genius in his execution of them.

 

[DarcSkies777]

Typical American logic....treat the symptom to hell with a cure.

 

[musicology1985]

You can Unite all the black politicians, business men, rich, elite etc. But it will do anything if the mind frame of blacks that participate in the destruction is not changed. Don't y'all understand that? For every group y'all name that needs to something the averge black person calls a sellout! And feel that that person or persons can't relate to them. We got kids with no education believing that the education that's there is not good enough to learn. If you don't know shit an underfunded school is better than none. We got parents telling their kids at a young age "these white people ain't going to LET you do that". This is in a childs mind before he tries anything. The common black out look on life is the biggest problem the community faces. This problem is every where. If you work someone where the common theme among black co-workers is "these white people won't let a nigga move up" if you say what about him? Sellout. If you choose to move up sellout (I've experianced this too).

WHAT ARE U TALKING ABOUT NOW MAN? this whole situation with gangsters, thugs, laziness & mislabeled sellouts is severely overrated by people just like u as a scapegoat not to do shit anyway.

u always complaining about what people say about u. when u hit the hood and show that positive example while standing on point against opposition all that stuff you talking is non-existent. people get involved and crime/drop out rates GO DOWN. we don't have the resources behind mass efforts of improvement, that has to change. its not the people that's the problem, its the leadership. a lil hatin' here and there ain't as impossible to overcame as u try to make it. u r just like the news, over exaggerating shit & trying to get people to think that change is impossible with a defeatist attitude. but ironically, u brought it up.

 

[Hyde Parke]

the only people that have the power to effectively stop what is going on in the hood, are the ones living in the hood...when they get tired of it, it will stop..Seeking outside sources to solve inside problems will only make a bad situation worse....Ether, its real interesting that you are a self proclaimed "ex drug dealer", yet felt your moving out of the hood was the solution, yet you keep seeking a solution from the comforts of the sideline.interesting.

 

[musicology1985]

@ music

so the stuff I'm talking about is non-existing but we need leaders to help said non-existing folks? Huh? Are you serious? You really don't know what's going on inside black communities do you? Over exaggerated? Smh.....your out of touch guy. I see why in your world the biggest problem that affects you is black fraternities. You must have been rejected.
Your leaders need a platform to stand on. Who are they? Non-existing people?

what are u talking about man? u are over exaggerating the problems that u have no inclination to do anything about anyway. your views are skewed and unrealistic. like I said, just like the media.

 

[musicology1985]

the only people that have the power to effectively stop what is going on in the hood, are the ones living in the hood...when they get tired of it, it will stop..Seeking outside sources to solve inside problems will only make a bad situation worse....Ether, its real interesting that you are a self proclaimed "ex drug dealer", yet felt your moving out of the hood was the solution, yet you keep seeking a solution from the comforts of the sideline.interesting.

are u saying that black suburbanites are exempt at this stage? because that's what it sounds like. if that is the case, black suburbanites need to stop campaigning in the cities, stop applying for positions in the city and definitely stop criticizing the black cities since they want nothing else to do with it.

black people are the only ones who love to cut off their roots. all other ethnic groups are looked at as leaders once they gain access to the resources and advanced skills. black American people don't like to do this for the most part. THAT IS THE SOURCE OF THE CHAOS. everybody want to pass the ball.

 

[Chike]

Because a niggas reasons for hustling is not from being oppressed or caused the white man put them in that position (for the majority). The reason a nigga hustles is because of some fucked up fantasy we feed ourselves. It's to get material things as easy (which isn't easy) and as fast and as defiant of any law possible. Have you ever talk to a cat that knows the feds are watching him? It's almost as if a nigga is proud. as a matter of fact some even attract more attention when they reach that level. And all those around to witness look on with envy (especially the younger kids). the mind frame is crazy and it's false and a lot of cats don't get to realize that until it's to late.

this does't apply to all but a lot.

Ok, so where are these dudes getting these fantasies and how do we stop this from happening? Where do they get this psychology from?

 

[shootemwon]

the FACTS have no concern nor regard, for our opinions.

Fact: I never once, heard of Rev. Sharpton promoting violence nor involved in violence------when protesting a social ill.

FACT: Dr. King once said the following...

"...He who passively accepts (racism's) evil, is as much involved in it, as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it, is really cooperating with it. ..."

Did you quote the wrong post by mistake? I accept that your facts are accurate, but they don't address my point. I never said that Sharpton advocates violence. When I talked about the brilliance of King's use of non-violence (from a PR standpoint), it was merely to illustrate how he was a master of reaching any audience. Sharpton is also against violence, but he's not good at bringing around a skeptical white audience. In fact, skeptical white people don't think there's anything credible about Sharpton and would use his over-saturation in the media as an excuse to be more stubborn in embracing the racist views they might hold.

Second,that King quote doesn't address anything that I said. At all. I NEVER said that King was, or that Sharpton should be, in favor of a passive attitude towards racism. I just said that the way to be effective is to think about the audience, and then make your stand, using the right approach and the right person to deliver that approach.

Sharpton does a disservice to his own cause by constantly chasing those TV appearances. This is not in any way an issue of whether or not racism should be confronted and addressed for what it is. You're turning it into that, but you're missing my point if you can only think of it in that way.

 

[musicology1985]

@ music
man I kinda feel sorry for you. I mean it seems like you wanna help people that you have no idea about.

bullshit. u spend so much time complaining and focusing on the bad that you never get around to mentioning the element in majority black areas that is working to do the right thing. and I have come across many former troubled folks who have turned their life around when given the example and opportunity. u just using the internet to do the same thing that the media does; over exaggerate and accentuate the negative, thereby giving power to it.

look man, everybody is not like u that comes from & still lives in the hood. get over yourself.

 

[shootemwon]

bullshit. u spend so much time complaining and focusing on the bad that you never get around to mentioning the element in majority black areas that is working to do the right thing. and I have come across many former troubled folks who have turned their life around when given the example and opportunity. u just using the internet to do the same thing that the media does; over exaggerate and accentuate the negative, thereby giving power to it.

look man, everybody is not like u that comes from & still lives in the hood. get over yourself.

One of the best subplots of HBO's "The Wire" is the story of Cutty, the ex-convict who serves 14 years for a drug-related murder charge and then returns to his old hood to open a gym where he mentors the youth and teaches them how to box. It's an uplifting thing to see, because most characters on the show fail to pull themselves out of the dark underworld of gangs and drugs and violence. Cutty's story is not unrealistic, but it IS uncommon.

It brings a smile to my face to think of a guy who seemingly threw his life away many years ago, now reformed and out of jail, using all his talent and efforts to improve his community and steer the next generation away from repeating the same mistakes. The sad truth is that this type of thing doesn't happen much. Cutty was genuinely reformed, so even when his prison record limited his means of an honest day's work to landscaping alongside Mexican immigrants, he held strong and made it work. But most of the time, if you have a dark past, you probably had to pay the price for it eventually, and our criminal justice system is much more focused on punishment than rehabilitation. That means a guy who makes some bad decisions early on will usually go through the system and come out more bitter and hardened than ever before.

I don't want to toss aside the value of a guy reforming himself and making positive changes, but we should keep in mind that our justice system and correctional facilities work against that happening. It doesn't help that repeat offenders keep prisons profitable, and their employee's unions see dudes going up the river AGAIN as job security.

 

[musicology1985]

One of the best subplots of HBO's "The Wire" is the story of Cutty, the ex-convict who serves 14 years for a drug-related murder charge and then returns to his old hood to open a gym where he mentors the youth and teaches them how to box. It's an uplifting thing to see, because most characters on the show fail to pull themselves out of the dark underworld of gangs and drugs and violence. Cutty's story is not unrealistic, but it IS uncommon.

It brings a smile to my face to think of a guy who seemingly threw his life away many years ago, now reformed and out of jail, using all his talent and efforts to improve his community and steer the next generation away from repeating the same mistakes. The sad truth is that this type of thing doesn't happen much. Cutty was genuinely reformed, so even when his prison record limited his means of an honest day's work to landscaping alongside Mexican immigrants, he held strong and made it work. But most of the time, if you have a dark past, you probably had to pay the price for it eventually, and our criminal justice system is much more focused on punishment than rehabilitation. That means a guy who makes some bad decisions early on will usually go through the system and come out more bitter and hardened than ever before.

I don't want to toss aside the value of a guy reforming himself and making positive changes, but we should keep in mind that our justice system and correctional facilities work against that happening. It doesn't help that repeat offenders keep prisons profitable, and their employee's unions see dudes going up the river AGAIN as job security.

but again, that's tv stuff man. in real life there are a lot of people WHO DON'T HAVE VIOLENT OFFENSES MAN. the media & those who have bought into it make it seem like it's just millions of brothas on some Taliban shit. naw that's fantasy man. when we put job opportunities out? THEY WORK. when we mentor the youth? THEY LISTEN. when we tutor the youth? THEY LEARN. you have your bad seeds here and there, but it's not as major as you guys are making it out to be. with a mass effort of rehabilitation, you would see an equally mass turnaround. it was bad deals, political corruption, greed and a disconnect that resulted in school & community center closings, as well as sheisty policies coming from the national state & federal government to cut off resources to inner city and urban area children. me and those who think similar just have to wade through this tough period. but the diamonds are in the rough, and even average cats will do positive if introduced to it repetitively like they are when it comes to the negative.

 

[And Step]

Over 3 million people in Chicago, nearly 10 million in the metro area. Over 200 people dead and that is an epidemic? More people die from food poisoning. That is a number that is less than 1/10000 of one percent.

This is a distraction and foolishness crafted by people who want to militarize urban areas under the guise of "making neighborhoods safe". No thank you seen it, wont work. How is that practice working in IRAQ and Afghanistan?

They know shit about to get real hectic up in hurrr, when the economy collapse. So they are doing preventive maintenance. Agents like Ether, serve no purpose but as a irritant and distraction.

Gird your loins, homies.

 

[And Step]

but again, that's tv stuff man. in real life there are a lot of people WHO DON'T HAVE VIOLENT OFFENSES MAN. the media & those who have bought into it make it seem like it's just millions of brothas on some Taliban shit. naw that's fantasy man. when we put job opportunities out? THEY WORK. when we mentor the youth? THEY LISTEN. when we tutor the youth? THEY LEARN. you have your bad seeds here and there, but it's not as major as you guys are making it out to be. with a mass effort of rehabilitation, you would see an equally mass turnaround. it was bad deals, political corruption, greed and a disconnect that resulted in school & community center closings, as well as sheisty policies coming from the national state & federal government to cut off resources to inner city and urban area children. me and those who think similar just have to wade through this tough period. but the diamonds are in the rough, and even average cats will do positive if introduced to it repetitively like they are when it comes to the negative.

True Music.

Cats have been so programmed to believe whatever is on television and through the controlled talking heads that they are actually feeding into the madness through their ignorance.

Just raise your children and do right by others and we will be fine.

 

[hrap-120]

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