Quincy Jones Says It's "Hard To Get Used To Lil Wayne"

[Splackavelli]

yeah i'm siding with quincy but it's not lil wayne its migos rich homie quan and future that works my nerves with that damn auto tone. I pray for the day autotone and intsant internet rappers die off. chief keef and Trinidad james were bad enough but blame wayne he birthed all these wack muphuckas.

 

[LUClEN]

To make music they way Quincy Jones makes music, you need talent.

To make music the way they make it today, you need a some apps, some synths, some software and a couple of mics. The Gorrillaz made an album just using an iPad and free software.

He's being honest, today you can be a barely literate, tone deaf idiot but if you have enough people around you to market you and enough people tweaking the levels to make you sound good, you can sound like a narcoleptic crack addict with a sore throat who never graduated and make millions. You don't need to worry about protecting your voice for a good performance, just get the DJ to tell the crowd to sing along and get your goons to do the rest while you sip sizzurp, lean on an amp and yell "young money" every now and then. You think Berry Gordy was indulding in that shit or encouraging it? Talent found talent and they made money by making good work, people bought because they liked it and the artists worked their arses off, it was by the people for the people sold to the people by the likeminded creative types. Now the creative types find someone useless, talentless but marketable and expendable, just change the branding a little every 10 years.

Talent used to speak for itself. Now talent is spoken for in both ways because 1) artists are signed from the jump to 360 deals so they have little independence and 2) they don't have anything worthy saying or hearing since it's all prepared by their ghostwriters and producers or has to be cleared by their PA, PR officer, agent etc

There will never be another James Brown or Frank Sinatra but there will be another Bieber just like there was Chris Brown, Mario, Ginuwine, Immature, Jodeci etc because there ain't a lot of very talented and hard working performers willing to work actual full shows or matinees anymore but there's a shitload of guys who know how to do some popping and locking who will take their shirts off to get famous.

If he sounds bitter, he should be. Frankly if you spend years developing your skills and then someone comes along with a smartphone and some instructionals who reckons he can do your job, you've got a right to be pissed. It's like thinking because you can fix a bike chain you can fix up and improve on a classic car, being able to get from A to B is one thing but how you do it and how well matters too. Most modern producers are like hippies with fold up bikes while Quincy rolls in a limo. They might get from A to B but it's not going to be half as much fun or well made in the end.

The new software doesn't do the work for you

 

[MarcusGarvey]

^^ Amen @pissedoffnobody‌

 

[MarcusGarvey]

Im not gonna read this thread cuz I'll bet it's gonna be cats up in arms over what he said about Wayne, Puffy and Kanye but you have to understand where he's coming from. There is no comparison between him and Puffy or Ye as a producer, this nigga defined an entire area musically for those cats to exist and was what they were aspiring to be. I'm not even gonna bring up MJ, Sinatra, Aretha, Ingram, Barry White, Luther, Ray Charles, Billie Holiday, etc. it's funny man no one with a deep understanding of music will deny that Quincy IS the GOAT or Michael Jordan of his craft unless they're young SMMFH.

This reminds me of how cats who came up on 90s Hip-Hop not being able to get down with the Hip-Hop from the 2000s tho. The quality of music we had w/ Nas, Biggie, 2Pac, Snoop in his prime, Dr.Dre, Eazy-E, Jeru, Lost Boyz, Wu Tang Clan, Busta Rhymes, Aaliyah, R.Kelly in his prime, Puff Daddy & The Family, all them cats. Unconsciously we compare the music now to our golden days so it's hard to get used to the new cats. Nas said Hip-Hop was dead b/c of some of the things Quincy is saying and he gets a pass followed by 101 cosigns and GOATs cuz it's Nas but when Quincy say it niggas feel some type of way, like he's attacking the culture when he's just stating an opinion (and fact).

I'll quietly walk away from this thread now....

Other than RKelly is fucking pervert, +1,000 this like the Clippers odds to win the League.

I can only take the new jacks in small portions.

 

[onthafly]

Nigga nosign me 4 saying true shit. Cornball like. Give respect where it's due cuz u will be old 1 day n none of what u think matters now will matter 2 young folk. Ur opinion on music is skewed if u can't respect people who helped lay down a foundation for modern music.

Whining like a bitch ain't never got nobodies point across. you can respect Quincy Jones as a musician without agreeing with everything he says or believing his word to be infallible. Older generations are always gonna complain about the music of younger generations. techno is garbage. Everything else Quincy Jones stated is just an opinion.

 

[Meta_Conscious]

todays music has no soul...

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Quincy is cool but that nigga overrated. Other than his Michael Jackson albums he did a lot of his catalog is boring.

And I betchu none of yall talking or lurking are familiar with dude's music. Outside of "Off The Wall" & "Thriller" how much do u really know about Quincy?

He's from a different era of history period. And while I don't dismiss or disagree with what he's getting at (as far as the state of music is concerned) he just didn't grow up on Rap and it was never part of his works and he has a history dissing Rappers and Hip Hop Singers.

He's the mean old grandpa who's always talkin about his generation was the best and every generation after that went further and further into the drain. While we can't necessarily deny it we can't cosign it either.

Smh @ this fucking shock troll. Clown ass nigga.

 

[aka_OG]

Quincy is an OG and all - but did he ever have anything positive to say about hip hop...ever?

 

[onthafly]

I think people are takin this too seriously. How many people Quincy Jones age fucks with hip hop anyway? Besides that old nigga Jay-Z.

 

[5 Grand]

To make music they way Quincy Jones makes music, you need talent.

To make music the way they make it today, you need a some apps, some synths, some software and a couple of mics. The Gorrillaz made an album just using an iPad and free software.

He's being honest, today you can be a barely literate, tone deaf idiot but if you have enough people around you to market you and enough people tweaking the levels to make you sound good, you can sound like a narcoleptic crack addict with a sore throat who never graduated and make millions. You don't need to worry about protecting your voice for a good performance, just get the DJ to tell the crowd to sing along and get your goons to do the rest while you sip sizzurp, lean on an amp and yell "young money" every now and then. You think Berry Gordy was indulding in that shit or encouraging it? Talent found talent and they made money by making good work, people bought because they liked it and the artists worked their arses off, it was by the people for the people sold to the people by the likeminded creative types. Now the creative types find someone useless, talentless but marketable and expendable, just change the branding a little every 10 years.

Talent used to speak for itself. Now talent is spoken for in both ways because 1) artists are signed from the jump to 360 deals so they have little independence and 2) they don't have anything worthy saying or hearing since it's all prepared by their ghostwriters and producers or has to be cleared by their PA, PR officer, agent etc

There will never be another James Brown or Frank Sinatra but there will be another Bieber just like there was Chris Brown, Mario, Ginuwine, Immature, Jodeci etc because there ain't a lot of very talented and hard working performers willing to work actual full shows or matinees anymore but there's a shitload of guys who know how to do some popping and locking who will take their shirts off to get famous.

If he sounds bitter, he should be. Frankly if you spend years developing your skills and then someone comes along with a smartphone and some instructionals who reckons he can do your job, you've got a right to be pissed. It's like thinking because you can fix a bike chain you can fix up and improve on a classic car, being able to get from A to B is one thing but how you do it and how well matters too. Most modern producers are like hippies with fold up bikes while Quincy rolls in a limo. They might get from A to B but it's not going to be half as much fun or well made in the end.

Nosign about Jodeci. Those guys are brilliant. they play their own instruments and write and produce their own music.

 

[5 Grand]

Quincy is an OG and all - but did he ever have anything positive to say about hip hop...ever?

He made an album called Back on the Block back in 1989. You should listen to it. There's songs with Big Daddy Kane, Melle Mel, Ice T and Kool Moe Dee

 

[Ear2DaSt]

leave Wayne be.

 

[aka_OG]

He put Will Smith in The Fresh Prince of Bel Air, put Jazzy Jeff in the show, put out Soundlab,

on SNL he got Tevin Campbell, Andrae Crouch, Sandra Crouch, rappers Kool Moe Dee and Big Daddy Kane, Melle Mel, Quincy D III, Siedah Garrett, Al Jarreau, and Take 6 all to come together. Quincy Jones is bigger than hip hop, he was around before it was even created. He chopped it up with Tupac when they were alive because Pac was friends with his daughter but he had words with him because he felt Pac had been disrespectful and they got on after that. He's been a key part of the American music scene for longer than most rap execs have even been alive.

If I spent 50 years working my ass off to prove a black man can be just as skilled as a musical genius as dead white men from Europe who made music after they went deaf and then saw some skinny crackhead looking fuck on TV telling kids to drink sizzurp and kill people, I'd be pissed off too. All that work over all that time trying to prove people wrong, beat the odds, earn your chances in good faith from solid work, then see some rich trust fund executive by inheritance hipster Eurodance loving prick and his NY2LA Jewish money mark grab some guy, put a bunch of tattoos on him, get Ne-Yo to sing the book and sell out the culture you invested in building up because "I gots to cop me that new shit that new MC is endorsing" putting money back in their pockets rather than investing in your own culture to build it up and line your own? And don't say it don't fucking happen, just look at Puffy and Machine Gun Kelly.

"It's a strange, strange animal. MTV Raps. You are making entertainment out of something that is just probably the most negative aspect of what we are all about." Later, when speaking about the effect of the N-word, Jones was unequivocal. "It's to be derogatory," he said. "It's too much subjectivity out there to be that careless with the word... I've had a lot of arguments with rappers about this. They think 'it's just a thang.' Just lay down like a lot of other things they say. I think that they'll grow out of that though."

Quincy Jones was a nigger when being a nigger wasn't something you said lightly or used as a friendly term. He was a nigger when being a nigger meant you couldn't drink the same water as white people, sit where they sat or do what they did. So I can't blame him for being salty at lazy, uneducated motherfuckers with shitty looking tattoos like they've done a 10 stretch, when they cop plea bargains using expensive lawyers to get the bare minimum on the label's dime so they can recoup their contractual investment in them just like the rest of white collar criminals on high salaries with liability do. They did crazy shit back in the day but those are stories these days, Sammy Davis Jr wasn't turning up to shows with a new face tattoo to introduce Yung Sinatra, you know? They just fucked a load of groupies in Vegas and snorted coke off strippers tits.

I hear all that, he co-signed allot of OL SCHOOL acts, what about who's been out since?

i agree most artists since the 90's are laughable and calling out diddy/kanye/wayne in general was an easy argument for HIM - i'm just surprised he doesn't balance out his opinion by praising artsists like a nas who represents who he used to co-sign

 

[MoneyLuver]

^^^ so again, Quincy has never said anything good about Hip Hop.

 

[Ol' Fred]

rollin wit my nigga quincy on dis one yo!

quincy made & produced alot of ish ova the years plus made my theme song!

 

[LUClEN]

The new software doesn't do the work for you

... Autotune means no off vocal notes, Pro Tools mean no flat notes and being able to digital clip/loop/sync production rather than worry about a band being in time... the software can do a lot of production work that before a gifted sound engineer/mixer/mic assistant/sequencer had to do because they literally had to tape spool reels together, they couldn't just cut/paste a wav file into a tab structure on a screen. Just look at how Will.I.Am makes music, he has instruments he can't play and has no interest in learning to play because he can just use synths. Now can he produce music? Sure. In the way Quincy does? No way.

A producer took the artists ideas and helped make the work into a high quality product, so that the guitar 4 track demo they made alone could be made into something to fill an arena with people who wanted to hear them play it. That is the increasingly lost art of production as a skill, not just beat making/mixing a master cut, but being the sort of person who can say "We need extra percussion here and we need to slow down here before the big crescendo!"

Quality speaks for itself and stands the test of time. It's why people are still listening to Mozart hundreds of years later but nobody gives a fuck about Mike Jones.

There are still live bands and there are still visionary producers like David Foster who do that kind of crafting

Are you really saying audio engineers need to go back to recording over cassettes? Do you know how long it takes to edit using tapes? They would literally take the physical tape apart, cut it, and paste it with other tapes in order to edit.

That sounds ridiculous. Even many of Quincy's works use modernized technology

Auto tune does do the work for the singer but many singers do not use it. It is not used in the majority of popular music

 

[MoneyLuver]

The only good thing about Cassettes is that they made the vocals and music fatter.

While its been detrimental to music as a whole, they've been working to bring the sound back and build on it since the conversation. All the while we've had good music and great music since then

 

[KneeGro_DuperMan]

Seems like he's forcing himself to listen to Wayne.

 

[dwade206]

Quincy is an OG and all - but did he ever have anything positive to say about hip hop...ever?

He was in the "Triumph" video, if that counts for anything.

 

[MoneyLuver]

I can't even lie, the digital game fucked the game up. Some people can use it so I can't say that for everybody or everybody in any situation.

But there is a good reason why music is lacking that punch it once had. And it literally had nothing to do with the Genetational Gap.

Q is trollin doe. And the way he does it I can't fully respect it. Not only that, I couldn't ever gas his music just becuz who he was. Ill never do that for anybody