Questions and Statements about God...

[ThaChozenWun]

Yea like Chike said, religion is un-natural. God doesnt have to be a great being no one can touch, man could be god, the earth could be god, in Chike's case "Mother Nature" could be god. Personally I think man is god. As for the guy in the video, the dude with glasses reminds me of Seth Rogan. I think he brought up a valid point though that for somethin to be outside of nature would mean it doesnt exist. But its really a dead end because he just gone get countered with "Aint that great about god, HE CAN DO ANYTHING, EVEN THINGS IMPOSSIBLE TO THE LAWS OF PHYSICS AND TIME AND SPACE AND THE REST OF THE NATURAL UNIVERSE. Hallelujah!!! Praise him!!!!"

 

[refcortez]

lol, i know that guy, tj is a funny ass dude, and if you ask me, everyone should subscribe to the amazing atheist channel. . . he really puts a lot of work into it and he does movie reviews on thatguywittheglasses.com

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/teamt/dw/dwr

 

[TX_Made713]

I would say that Religion is un-natural. I personally believe God is nature, nature is God. God is a term used to describe nature in it's entirety. Form molecules, to energy to gravity, to the time concept to light waves, to sound waves to.... you get the point.

how can god be what he created?

 

[Nut Did N' Cider]

Based vid.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I'd like to nail his fidgety ass to a chair, other than that I don't see a problem with anything he said.

 

[Chike]

how can god be what he created?

God created the awareness of himself through us. He has always been aka the Universe has always been, and only through man can the universe acknowledge itself into existence. I know, deep. lol

Basically it's like this: Sound waves are not Sound until someone or something can hear it, and Lightwaves are not Light until someone or something can see it. That type of thing.

 

[refcortez]

i just posted this shit on his facebook page. . .

 

[TX_Made713]

Basically it's like this: Sound waves are not Sound until someone or something can hear it, and Lightwaves are not Light until someone or something can see it. That type of thing.

incorrect. so your saying nothing exists until it is acknowledged by a living thing?

its a whole universe out there and we are just a small small minuet part of it

 

[Chike]

incorrect. so your saying nothing exists until it is acknowledged by a living thing?

its a whole universe out there and we are just a small small minuet part of it

No no no, not saying that at all. All I'm saying, is that nothing can acknowledge or appreciate it's own existence short of our uniquely developed minds. Animals do not have a sense of 'enlightenment' that we do, all they do is try to survive and do what they do. But us humans or any other possible sentient beings out there are capable of a higher consciousness and self awareness. Basically, the universe can't experience itself without having developed us in this form. It's crazy, and deep.

 

[TX_Made713]

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse. (Romans 1:18-20)

The Most Fundamental Sin

To put it simply, this means that God’s terrible wrath is revealed against those who claim that He does not exist. Many people who consider themselves intelligent, educated members of society do not believe in God. This is because they think they are cleverer than God. With excessive confidence in themselves, they ask, “Where is God?” They deny God completely and do not believe in Him. Denying the existence of God so easily is not very wise. Such people have no idea what a great sin it is not to believe in God.

Suppose there is a young man. We will call him John Brown. He is an only son, as were his father and grandfather before him, so he is very special to his parents. They did all they could for him while he was growing up, but he has ended up without any manners at all. At least this is the case when he is at home, but once he leaves the house he gives the impression that he is very good-natured. People are always praising his generosity and kind disposition, but the moment he goes home, he is rude and insolent toward his father, often ignoring him completely. In the eyes of the world he may be regarded as an outstanding young man, but in the eyes of his father he is lacking in any sense of duty to his parents.

Generally speaking, people do not think that the question of whether or not a person believes in God has any connection with sin. They think the most important matter is to treat others well and be generous and morally upright. They do not think it is a sin not to believe in God. If God did not exist, it would be only right to deny Him, but suppose God actually does exist. Do you think it would not matter if you scorned Him, denied Him, and refused to put your faith in Him? Would it be all right to deny the God who created this world? Would it be a matter of no consequence if you cursed God and declared that He is dead?

It is important to find out the facts concerning this matter through the Bible and know for sure whether or not God exists. If you come to find that God does exist, you need to take a look at the way you have been living your life until now before Him and what has been going on in your heart regarding Him. You need to repent in your heart. According to Romans chapter 1 verse 18, God’s terrifying judgment some day awaits those who does not believe that He exists. This is the most fundamental sin.

My question is, why would god be so bothered by people not believing he exist? I understand the misleading others part but god is all powerful. He can easily lead someone back to him

 

[TX_Made713]

Pretty much the message this guy is trying to say:

Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear (Isaiah 59:1-2).

It is not that God cannot hear your prayers or that He does not want to listen; the problem lies in the individual: "Your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you."

It is important to understand that unless the barrier of sin between man and God is fundamentally broken down, a person's prayers are of no avail. If the sins of an individual are blocking the way, even though he may pray, his prayers are not appropriate before God, and God does not hear them.

It is no use just crying out to God when things go wrong in your life and forgetting about Him the rest of the time. A relationship between you and God must be established and then your prayers will flow as naturally as breathing, and God will hear and answer them.

To establish that relationship, you must first believe without any doubt that God exists. Then through the Bible, you will be able to see what kind of person you are before Him, as your sin is revealed to you through the mirror of His word. The next step is to allow God to solve the problem of your sin for you. When the problem of your sin has been solved once and for all, you will find that the conversation between you and God will be able to flow freely.

In John chapter 9 verse 31 it says, "Now we know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He hears him."

It says very clearly here that God does not hear sinners. There is, however, one prayer that God will listen and respond to, even if you are still struggling with the problem of your sin. If you are sincerely looking for God and cry out to Him deep down in your heart, you can be sure that He will guide you to the place where you can find Him.

"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened." (Matthew 7:7-8)

For thus says the High and Lofty One Who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: "I dwell in the high and holy place, with him who has a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones." (Isaiah 57:15)

If you have not found a definite answer to the problem of your sins, please read the books listed on this website, looking up the references in your own Bible. Before you can talk to God, you need to listen carefully to what God is saying to you. Then you will know how to respond to Him.

so based on this article, it wouldnt matter how much you pray to God, if your not a dedicated christian, God doesnt pay you any mind?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

The guys who wrote the bible put so much thought and effort into it that they wanted everyone to love it, unfortunently they didnt make a book that everyone could accept and get with.

"It is important to find out the facts concerning this matter through the Bible and know for sure whether or not God exists. If you come to find that God does exist, you need to take a look at the way you have been living your life until now before Him and what has been going on in your heart regarding Him. You need to repent in your heart. According to Romans chapter 1 verse 18, God’s terrifying judgment some day awaits those who does not believe that He exists. This is the most fundamental sin."

Surreeeeeee, ever since I stopped bein Christian and focused on me being my only source of power and ability lifes been goin a thousand times better. According to the bible, God is gonna let himself be known after the rapture, then he gives everyone 7 years to repent and those who do accept him 7 years of torment to test their faith as well. So the last 2 sentences are a lost cause, im sure once he appears and sends his kid down in a flying cloud everyone would be like "damn so dude is real" and start repenting.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Well "In John chapter 9 verse 31 it says, "Now we know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He hears him.". So it seems to me that he only hears the people who respect his pimp hand. Crazy how he sounds like a pimp all throughout when layin down the law, "Bitch respect and bow to me or ye shall be smackethed, where my baby powder at"

"It is not that God cannot hear your prayers or that He does not want to listen; the problem lies in the individual"

Not cause god aint listenin or is, its because their praying to themselves and waiting for a supreme being outside of themselves aint getting nothing done.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

The only sin not forgiven, and so imo this is the most fundamental sin, is blasphemy against the holy ghost. The holy ghost is the voice of truth. Truth is everywhere, for everyone. All manner of sin is forgiven, if you understand your err(sin) and thus correct it. The sin(err) of blasphemy of the holy ghost cannot be forgiven because it is a denial of truth itself. Truth says all err(sin) may be corrected and thus forgiven. But if you deny even the possibility of that truth and thus continue on in ignorance of that truth, how then can you be forgiven by it?

Just my take on it.

 

[judahxulu]

We talked about anthropromorphism before TX. The denial or confirmation of the Most High is relative to behavior, not an intellectual or emotional process as many varied religionists mistakenly believe. It seems like a lot of people get caught up in confusion when it comes to those Pauline writings. That dude is just plain confusing and was obviously confused. The simple perspecrtive is that "the wrath of God" is an impersonal reaction to human behavior going against the grain of that which is expedient. Theres no huge hand coming out of the sky smiting us mightily, but we have God-power in us so God dam ourselves. The mess we made for ourselves is the wrath of God. You can tell a tree by its fruit, right? The intellects who set the standard for the world are either atheists or religionists and its obvious from the bad way the earth is in that neither of these positions are beneficial. I doubt the Most High cares if you "believe" or not. I think the individuals denial of the Creator is detrimental to the individual and the collective, not the Creator. If you live right vis-a-vis protecting, preserving and enhancing life with respects to the ecology of people then you are worshipping the I Am whether you admit or not.

 

[TX_Made713]

We talked about anthropromorphism before TX. The denial or confirmation of the Most High is relative to behavior, not an intellectual or emotional process as many varied religionists mistakenly believe. It seems like a lot of people get caught up in confusion when it comes to those Pauline writings. That dude is just plain confusing and was obviously confused. The simple perspecrtive is that "the wrath of God" is an impersonal reaction to human behavior going against the grain of that which is expedient. Theres no huge hand coming out of the sky smiting us mightily, but we have God-power in us so God dam ourselves. The mess we made for ourselves is the wrath of God. You can tell a tree by its fruit, right? The intellects who set the standard for the world are either atheists or religionists and its obvious from the bad way the earth is in that neither of these positions are beneficial. I doubt the Most High cares if you "believe" or not. I think the individuals denial of the Creator is detrimental to the individual and the collective, not the Creator. If you live right vis-a-vis protecting, preserving and enhancing life with respects to the ecology of people then you are worshipping the I Am whether you admit or not.

you are aware i didnt write that article right? I posted it to see what everyones take on it would be

 

[judahxulu]

Well "In John chapter 9 verse 31 it says, "Now we know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He hears him.". So it seems to me that he only hears the people who respect his pimp hand. Crazy how he sounds like a pimp all throughout when layin down the law, "Bitch respect and bow to me or ye shall be smackethed, where my baby powder at"

"It is not that God cannot hear your prayers or that He does not want to listen; the problem lies in the individual"

Not cause god aint listenin or is, its because their praying to themselves and waiting for a supreme being outside of themselves aint getting nothing done.

If niggas read their Holy Books and not just skim through 'em, the would know that they are written in the volume of the book and that the Supreme is within and without but cannot be realize when the collective consciousness is fractured.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

If niggas read their Holy Books and not just skim through 'em, the would know that they are written in the volume of the book and that the Supreme is within and without but cannot be realize when the collective consciousness is fractured.

I never got that out of reading a holy book, it was my understanding for the longest it was god who would solve all my problems as long as I remained loyal to him. Some people would have to step away from holy books to figure this out because alot of learned knowledge about them is preached through the churches who are preaching it wrong.

 

[judahxulu]

you are aware i didnt write that article right? I posted it to see what everyones take on it would be

Yeah, I know. I was referring to the anthropromorphism piece in response to the question you asked. "My question is, why would god be so bothered by people not believing he exist?" Wasnt no truculent shit, just channeling thought, ya diig?

 

[judahxulu]

I never got that out of reading a holy book, it was my understanding for the longest it was god who would solve all my problems as long as I remained loyal to him. Some people would have to step away from holy books to figure this out because alot of learned knowledge about them is preached through the churches who are preaching it wrong.

True. An illiterate could understand if he is open to it- books help but they are tools to build- not the edifice itself. In my experience, there are a gang of diffeent pathe that folks describe a gang of different ways (ACCORDING TO CULTURAL BIAS) BUT THEY ALL LEAD TO 1 OF 2 DESTINATIONS- creative intellect or destructive intellect and the fruits thereof. From what I understand about the Bible the main point is this- man was made with a to scale model of the mind of God. He looked to some shit outside himself to make him wise, became double-minded and fell the fuck off. Everything after that is a record of mans de-evolution through the years and how a patth back to perfectioon can be forged by learning from past mistakes.