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VIBE86;655529 said:
Question for you Chosen...

Bible was written by man, inspired by God. Now supposedly it's a "false" bible, none of these things exist. Tell me this, how would man know that there are only a small amount of these 4 legged insects and not to eat them?

It's obvious that God exists to tell them these things, there was a reason to NOT eat these with the 4 legs. (there isn't many to begin with)

Toss me a link or whatever to that only 13 known insects with 4 legs please, curious to which now.

My history erases when I close the internet, it was on http://www.last-word.com search for it in the box I think it was on page 3. And no, they knew because they were alive to see this things (Flooding, Plagues, Fire, Rain, Volcanoes etc..), they took stories from other people (Jesus' whole story, floods, other natural disasters, gods coming on spaceships, etc..), they made up things to frighten people (All the killings, Jealous god, etc..), they used a all mighty being to lure people to fight for them (Crusades, Inquisitions, Battles for "Holy Land", and they wrote made up stories for things they could not explain, and often we are beginning to explain these things without god involved.

I didnt say nothing in it was real, it has alot of historical facual writings, Im saying the main story is false with things thrown it that were unexplainable at the time and the reasons i listed above are why else I believe it is false. Like I said above also, he says to eat those 4, but the rest are deadly to humans (which they all arent).
 
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ThaChozenWun;655657 said:
No he wanted him to eat 4 specific types of four legged insects, the rest of the 4 legged insects he said were hurtful to people, which they werent, and it says any insect not named is harmful to humans which again wasnt true.

ThaChozenWun;650547 said:
20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.

21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;

22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.

23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.

Abomination means, unclean, forbidden. It was a taboo to eat them, it doesn't say they were harmful.
 
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As for you other post, he saved 2 of every kind, those two would have much more trouble repopulating then re creating them would be, also if he perfected his creation he would have never destroyed the world in the first place.

How do you know it would be more difficult? A cat can have a liter of kittens, in which they grow fast then they can also mate and have more kittens and so on. I know all animals don't reproduce as fast but it's not that much trouble.

What I mean by "perfect his creation" is that he created everything the way he wanted it to look. People aren't perfect.
 
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VIBE86;656096 said:
Abomination means, unclean, forbidden. It was a taboo to eat them, it doesn't say they were harmful.

But you are allowed to eat Grasshoppers, katydids, locusts, beetles, and crickets. That is said multiple times in levitcus, every other 4 legged insect was the abomination, so he wasnt tryin to protect a specfic build of insect.

VIBE86;656130 said:
How do you know it would be more difficult? A cat can have a liter of kittens, in which they grow fast then they can also mate and have more kittens and so on. I know all animals don't reproduce as fast but it's not that much trouble.

What I mean by "perfect his creation" is that he created everything the way he wanted it to look. People aren't perfect.

Look at the amount of offspring it produces, Kittens on average produce like 4 babies, alot of mammals produce 1, theres a big difference in being pregnent 3 times and producing 12 children compared to three. When there is only 2 animals left, yes that is hard to build back up, ever wonder why even now when animals hit the 1,000s things are done quickly to try and repoduce them quicker and keep them from dying early? Then again i guess its impossible to argue with someone who believes totally in the biblical version of god, he can do anything and they believe it so theres really nothing you can say that will make them remotely believe otherwise.
 
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ThaChozenWun;656234 said:
But you are allowed to eat Grasshoppers, katydids, locusts, beetles, and crickets. That is said multiple times in levitcus, every other 4 legged insect was the abomination, so he wasnt tryin to protect a specfic build of insect.

Look at the amount of offspring it produces, Kittens on average produce like 4 babies, alot of mammals produce 1, theres a big difference in being pregnent 3 times and producing 12 children compared to three. When there is only 2 animals left, yes that is hard to build back up, ever wonder why even now when animals hit the 1,000s things are done quickly to try and repoduce them quicker and keep them from dying early? Then again i guess its impossible to argue with someone who believes totally in the biblical version of god, he can do anything and they believe it so theres really nothing you can say that will make them remotely believe otherwise.

Those bugs have 6 legs, not 4. I can't figure out which are abominations yet, it is a very confusing verse.

Why do you think arguing with me or really, discussing with me makes me totally believe in the bible? I do, but I'm not gonna say you're wrong, which I've yet to do. You asked questions and I've answered them.
 
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VIBE86;658228 said:
Those bugs have 6 legs, not 4. I can't figure out which are abominations yet, it is a very confusing verse.

Why do you think arguing with me or really, discussing with me makes me totally believe in the bible? I do, but I'm not gonna say you're wrong, which I've yet to do. You asked questions and I've answered them.

Supposedly early beetles only had 4 legs, grasshoppers and crickets are considered to be have because the 2 front legs are said to be hands not feet, and the rest im not sure of but thats the explanation as to why they were claimed to have 4 legs. I remember on that site one was a type of gnat, and there were a couple that are born with 4 legs but grow 2 more within the first couple days. Maybe that explains those abominations because they may have thought it was some evil magic that they are born with 4 then grow 2 and they didnt see nothin else do it?

I wasnt speakin directly about you I was makin a general reference, like I talked about what would have happened if an animal became ill, then the species was gone anyway, and basically I said you cant really argue against anything in the bible like that because in a Bible believers mind god is able to do anything so its like "They would have never got sick because god wouldnt let them", just like when I asked how Noah had rounded up all these animals and you said "God directed the animals to the boat" or somewhere along those lines, Im sayin basically if someone believes its hard to prove anything because they have someone who can do anything in their minds so Logic and What we know gets thrown out the window. If I was trying to debate on gods side I would never have to struggle because you would never have to guess you could just lay it on gods doing and the bible will back it because of that.
 
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ThaChozenWun;658289 said:
Supposedly early beetles only had 4 legs, grasshoppers and crickets are considered to be have because the 2 front legs are said to be hands not feet, and the rest im not sure of but thats the explanation as to why they were claimed to have 4 legs. I remember on that site one was a type of gnat, and there were a couple that are born with 4 legs but grow 2 more within the first couple days. Maybe that explains those abominations because they may have thought it was some evil magic that they are born with 4 then grow 2 and they didnt see nothin else do it?

I wasnt speakin directly about you I was makin a general reference, like I talked about what would have happened if an animal became ill, then the species was gone anyway, and basically I said you cant really argue against anything in the bible like that because in a Bible believers mind god is able to do anything so its like "They would have never got sick because god wouldnt let them", just like when I asked how Noah had rounded up all these animals and you said "God directed the animals to the boat" or somewhere along those lines, Im sayin basically if someone believes its hard to prove anything because they have someone who can do anything in their minds so Logic and What we know gets thrown out the window. If I was trying to debate on gods side I would never have to struggle because you would never have to guess you could just lay it on gods doing and the bible will back it because of that.

Well, I will say, such a little verse about bugs and it is very confusing and hard to understand lol

2ndly, there are 2 possible ways that Noah could've collected these animals.

1. He only collected from his area.

2. God directed all the animals to him. (there's NO WAY Noah traveled the world to collect 'em)

I've heard 2 different numbers, one being 45,000 (by biblical scholars) and another being 118,000 (by dimensions of the ark)

You gotta think though, those two numbers are still very quite small for species.
 
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VIBE86;658353 said:
Well, I will say, such a little verse about bugs and it is very confusing and hard to understand lol

2ndly, there are 2 possible ways that Noah could've collected these animals.

1. He only collected from his area.

2. God directed all the animals to him. (there's NO WAY Noah traveled the world to collect 'em)

I've heard 2 different numbers, one being 45,000 (by biblical scholars) and another being 118,000 (by dimensions of the ark)

You gotta think though, those two numbers are still very quite small for species.

And the bible says that those who breathe through the nostrils are to be taken, so that lowers the number. But the species who breathed through the nostrils at that time are far greater than either of those numbers. Even if it did happen and he only got those animals near him, the bible would still be fibbing. A boat that massive would have also been found by now, he would have had to travel far and wide to get enough wood and other materials to build it. How did these animals get to Noah from across oceans if god directed them? Like I said to someone who uses what we know its obviously a lie and nothing more than a allegory. Now the answer to my questions from nearly all chrisitians would be : "Well god was on there side so they had no problem crossing the oceans, God buried the boat so no one would ever find it, and god brough the trees, nails, etc.. to him he didnt have to go get it". How did a 600 YEAR OLD man built this "Well then god let people live until the thousands so 600 isnt old, and he had god on his side so god helped him built it", Why did he not take sea creatures, they couldnt live through such a flood? "Oh well again, they had gods blessing so they were able to live"
 
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DUDE!

Did you catch Ancient Aliens tonight? They had a REALLY interesting theory about Noah, the Ark and animals.

This episode was insanely interesting, almost made me turn lol
 
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Lol Yea I watched everyone that came out so far, missed the Magic/Celtic game because of it. They did have a good story on it and one that sounds reasonable to, DNA would explain how it was stored so easily, what was more interesting to me is that Enoch is like the top alien theorists guy because he speaks so much about them in an alien like term and theres books that point towards him being Noahs grandfather.
 
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Yeah.

Tripped me out, I'm watching it and it drops about Noah's Ark and I'm like, wtf? I'm discussing this with Chozen, that's a trip.

But, I'll tell you, both stories seem far fetched though.
 
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VIBE86;664277 said:
Yeah.

Tripped me out, I'm watching it and it drops about Noah's Ark and I'm like, wtf? I'm discussing this with Chozen, that's a trip.

But, I'll tell you, both stories seem far fetched though.

I think the Noah one could possibly have some truth to it, it makes alot of sense and if Enoch was really taken by "Gods" and taught things I could see why they would choose his own family and blood to go on the Ark with his Grandson. And if Enoch was altered genetically by them as its claimed and somewhere Enoch talked about having part of the Gods added to him, that also could be the reason why they were chosen as the perfect humans to start again with. But it explained the great flood better also without aliens or god being involved. The dead sea flooded the sorrounding area up to 500ft, Noah's home would have been in the flooded area so thats why he didnt get animals in america and so forth because it was only in that area but the flood covered so much in that area it may have seemed as if the world was flooded.

The nuke now I dont know, If there were aliens i think they could have ended people in a different way, now what I do believe out of it is that something happened at Saddam and Gomorrah that led to radiation because the issues explained are exactly the same as radiation, from what I have no idea but I do believe it was radioactivity in the area which made them lose their hair and nails and the blisters, losing sight etc... I would love to know whats in the money pit though, that would be so ground breaking for every belief system. All the technology we have now its crazy we cant dig deep enough and get around their water tunnels and platforms but they went over 100ft deep back then and buried whatever the knights templar found.
 
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ThaChozenWun;664485 said:
I think the Noah one could possibly have some truth to it, it makes alot of sense and if Enoch was really taken by "Gods" and taught things I could see why they would choose his own family and blood to go on the Ark with his Grandson. And if Enoch was altered genetically by them as its claimed and somewhere Enoch talked about having part of the Gods added to him, that also could be the reason why they were chosen as the perfect humans to start again with. But it explained the great flood better also without aliens or god being involved. The dead sea flooded the sorrounding area up to 500ft, Noah's home would have been in the flooded area so thats why he didnt get animals in america and so forth because it was only in that area but the flood covered so much in that area it may have seemed as if the world was flooded.

The nuke now I dont know, If there were aliens i think they could have ended people in a different way, now what I do believe out of it is that something happened at Saddam and Gomorrah that led to radiation because the issues explained are exactly the same as radiation, from what I have no idea but I do believe it was radioactivity in the area which made them lose their hair and nails and the blisters, losing sight etc... I would love to know whats in the money pit though, that would be so ground breaking for every belief system. All the technology we have now its crazy we cant dig deep enough and get around their water tunnels and platforms but they went over 100ft deep back then and buried whatever the knights templar found.

I think this. Why would these "aliens" need to collect dna from the animals though? They "created them" so wouldn't they already have saved vials of their DNA?

I'll tell you that Money Pit made my hair stand, I was like "whaaaaa". Like you said, all this technology and we cannot surpass the water. Like they said, they poured in red paint/dye and seen it came out on the sides of the island. My thing, do it again, find the entry of the water, seal it and then pump out the rest of the water in the pit and proceed.

We could have the answers to everything IF it is the Ark of the Covenant.

Yeah, when it said God flooded and Noah found animals, I always thought, well what if it was just their immediate area. What they explain is reasonable and very plausible scenario.

The nuke thing was interesting, what I don't understand is the "pillar of salt" thing, does that mean literal salt or dust and if dust why not say dust? That's what is strange. I'm sure they could differentiate dust & salt.
 
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I think you misunderstand or got the wrong idea about some of the theories they have out, its understandable cause you probably havent researched nearly half as close as I have so far so ill explain things a little better.

VIBE86;664584 said:
I think this. Why would these "aliens" need to collect dna from the animals though? They "created them" so wouldn't they already have saved vials of their DNA?

The theory doesnt propose that aliens are what created Earth or the things on it. Basically the big bang happened, we began to evolve from microorganisms over billions of years, like science stated. What they propose is that at some point during the process, People from another galaxy were hunting for gold because they had a depleted atmosphere and needed to create a shield around their planet. This is something scientist said with enough gold, enough money, and the cooperation of the World, we could do to ours to solve its depleting condition. The theorists say that when they got here and found gold, they needed a way to get it, they had machines but they also needed workers. Humans at that time werent very smart, this is shown through skulls that show certain areas of our brain werent there yet. They say other people wanted us to work for them, so they expieremented on us by adding pieces to us genetically, which again is something we are beggining to do now so its not sc-fi. Basically they needed slaves to do their work, which if we have done it throughout history to each other, why wouldnt they do it? Perhaps we worked in exchange for some of their knowledge (Masonry, Writing, Electric like the baghdad bombs). That and there are also some who believe the "angels" mating with humans were other people and the mixed offspring got the extra parts of the brain from it. So like im sayin it doesnt say we were created by them, animals were created by them none of that. It just says for their own purpose they advanced us to help them. The ancient alien theorists claim they collected DNA because they didnt want to wipe out what has happened on Earth because we would have no animals to eat, the animals from other planets may not be suitable for us because of the enviormental differences of another planet. They also could have stored DNA because they were also looking for other sources of food and would take them back to their planet to create food. The Ancient Aliens before this one really spoke on it alot.

VIBE86;664584 said:
I'll tell you that Money Pit made my hair stand, I was like "whaaaaa". Like you said, all this technology and we cannot surpass the water. Like they said, they poured in red paint/dye and seen it came out on the sides of the island. My thing, do it again, find the entry of the water, seal it and then pump out the rest of the water in the pit and proceed.

We could have the answers to everything IF it is the Ark of the Covenant.

I think John Wayne dropped like 3.3 million to try and pump the water out but there were so many tunnels breached through earlier excavations that they would have to seal those all up before pumping. Because so much was invested into it already and they still havent been able to get that extra 50 ft, people have just stopped investing, some are afraid to find out what it is, and Nova Scotia wont allow anyones government programs to try it. And yea all throughout time the AOC is claimed to hold the answers to the past, people throughout time also said alot if we were to find it and everyone know what is written, we wouldnt be able to handle it. Which is why I think it may point toward aliens, if it talked about a god I dont see why people would really have a hard time with it, thats the mainly "accepted" theory of how it all happened. So if its true and does exist and it is too much for most men to handle, something is up, I do however think now in modern times if it was something like Aliens, God really being the devil, we really being gods, etc... that we would handle it fine, some people who are deeply religious might die from heart attacks, but a good bit of us could accept it.

VIBE86;664584 said:
Yeah, when it said God flooded and Noah found animals, I always thought, well what if it was just their immediate area. What they explain is reasonable and very plausible scenario.

The nuke thing was interesting, what I don't understand is the "pillar of salt" thing, does that mean literal salt or dust and if dust why not say dust? That's what is strange. I'm sure they could differentiate dust & salt.

What I get from it was that Lot's wife was closer to the blast then its explained, she stopped and looked back, they dont say how far she was so if the Atomic bomb thing is right, she could have acually been hit with the blast. If you seen what happened to people in Japan, when the blast hits them, it turns the body and bone into ash basically. Its so hot and powerful you just disintegrate into a pile of ash. A salt pillar would be close to the color of the ashes so maybe thats where it comes from. They would have never seen it happen to someone like that, so perhaps they thought at the time, god turned her into a pillar of salt for looking back. They didnt have knowledge of what happened so they described it the best they could.
 
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ThaChozenWun;664783 said:
I think you misunderstand or got the wrong idea about some of the theories they have out, its understandable cause you probably havent researched nearly half as close as I have so far so ill explain things a little better.

The theory doesnt propose that aliens are what created Earth or the things on it. Basically the big bang happened, we began to evolve from microorganisms over billions of years, like science stated. What they propose is that at some point during the process, People from another galaxy were hunting for gold because they had a depleted atmosphere and needed to create a shield around their planet. This is something scientist said with enough gold, enough money, and the cooperation of the World, we could do to ours to solve its depleting condition. The theorists say that when they got here and found gold, they needed a way to get it, they had machines but they also needed workers. Humans at that time werent very smart, this is shown through skulls that show certain areas of our brain werent there yet. They say other people wanted us to work for them, so they expieremented on us by adding pieces to us genetically, which again is something we are beggining to do now so its not sc-fi. Basically they needed slaves to do their work, which if we have done it throughout history to each other, why wouldnt they do it? Perhaps we worked in exchange for some of their knowledge (Masonry, Writing, Electric like the baghdad bombs). That and there are also some who believe the "angels" mating with humans were other people and the mixed offspring got the extra parts of the brain from it. So like im sayin it doesnt say we were created by them, animals were created by them none of that. It just says for their own purpose they advanced us to help them. The ancient alien theorists claim they collected DNA because they didnt want to wipe out what has happened on Earth because we would have no animals to eat, the animals from other planets may not be suitable for us because of the enviormental differences of another planet. They also could have stored DNA because they were also looking for other sources of food and would take them back to their planet to create food. The Ancient Aliens before this one really spoke on it alot.

I think John Wayne dropped like 3.3 million to try and pump the water out but there were so many tunnels breached through earlier excavations that they would have to seal those all up before pumping. Because so much was invested into it already and they still havent been able to get that extra 50 ft, people have just stopped investing, some are afraid to find out what it is, and Nova Scotia wont allow anyones government programs to try it. And yea all throughout time the AOC is claimed to hold the answers to the past, people throughout time also said alot if we were to find it and everyone know what is written, we wouldnt be able to handle it. Which is why I think it may point toward aliens, if it talked about a god I dont see why people would really have a hard time with it, thats the mainly "accepted" theory of how it all happened. So if its true and does exist and it is too much for most men to handle, something is up, I do however think now in modern times if it was something like Aliens, God really being the devil, we really being gods, etc... that we would handle it fine, some people who are deeply religious might die from heart attacks, but a good bit of us could accept it.

What I get from it was that Lot's wife was closer to the blast then its explained, she stopped and looked back, they dont say how far she was so if the Atomic bomb thing is right, she could have acually been hit with the blast. If you seen what happened to people in Japan, when the blast hits them, it turns the body and bone into ash basically. Its so hot and powerful you just disintegrate into a pile of ash. A salt pillar would be close to the color of the ashes so maybe thats where it comes from. They would have never seen it happen to someone like that, so perhaps they thought at the time, god turned her into a pillar of salt for looking back. They didnt have knowledge of what happened so they described it the best they could.

Okay, thanks for the break down. Makes sense, but to be honest, I'm afraid to even begin to believe it because if it isn't true and God is, well then my booty goes to hell lol I'm gonna drop by and pick up a few books and stuff. I like it, it's interesting and if I can break it down to make enough evidence for aliens then I would believe that instead. It's gonna take a lot though.

I knew about the gold thing, just wasn't sure if they were saying that these aliens created us and animals.
 
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Yea I feel you, it was one of the hardest things I ever had to do was to come to the conclusion the biblical god wasnt real and the book was either fiction, or that it was an allegory for something else explained to the best of their abilities at the time. Now though I can say it dont bother at all no more, I have no second guesses or anything about it.
 
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