Questions and Statements about God...

[alissowack]

Then what are our answers to the issues of the world? What are we doing to identify the problems faced and come to conclusions that will benefit mankind as a whole? Are we making any progress or are things getting worse?

 

[kingjust627]

Issues of the world and their answers:

Hunger: Feed'em

Poverty: Build Infrastructure for jobs

Gay Marraige: None of your damn business

Abortion: None of your damn business

Corrupt Governments: SPEC OPS

Peoples emotions and feelings get in the way of answering the issues of the world. Take for example capital punishment. Naysayers say "who are we to judge". Well, what I say is that we are the ones who see said actions (murder, rape, child murder, infanticide) as wrong and SHOULD judge. None of this is biblical or requires a god for action. While my issues answer break down is very simplified, why these things do not get resolved... refer to the first sentence.

 

[alissowack]

There is nothing wrong with having feelings about the issues of the world especially if it compels you to do what is right. If someone sees somebody hungry, then there has to be some felt need to want to give food. However, not everyone feels this way. Some would rather see a person starve and may not be for calloused reasons. Why be that way when it is the right thing to do?

How do we speak to the issues of rape and murder if the victims don't get justice whether the courts judge wrongly or they don't find the murderer or rapist?

 

[whar67]

The nature of the question posits an actual existence of a deity and then to speculate how things would be without him. Since it is a near certainity that all man-made religions are falses it seems to be a backwards question, however I must confess a certain prejudice here.

The problems of the world will be dealt with by people making pragmatic decisions. However when these fall short as they will invariably do in certain circumstance there is a natural need by humans to find a 'fix'. The most common 'fix' is God.

We are going to die but God has a place for us in Heaven where we will live forever.

Justice is not alway fairly applied but God will have a final judgement where only truth will exists and all sins will be accounted.

We never see these 'fixes' generally as the final judgement is in the future and heaven can only be achieved through death but it is the thought that they exist which provides the comfort.

 

[TX_Made713]

if some how god doesnt exist then a lot of religious people would commit suicide

 

[alissowack]

The nature of the question posits an actual existence of a deity and then to speculate how things would be without him. Since it is a near certainity that all man-made religions are falses it seems to be a backwards question, however I must confess a certain prejudice here.

The problems of the world will be dealt with by people making pragmatic decisions. However when these fall short as they will invariably do in certain circumstance there is a natural need by humans to find a 'fix'. The most common 'fix' is God.

We are going to die but God has a place for us in Heaven where we will live forever.

Justice is not alway fairly applied but God will have a final judgement where only truth will exists and all sins will be accounted.

We never see these 'fixes' generally as the final judgement is in the future and heaven can only be achieved through death but it is the thought that they exist which provides the comfort.

In asking this question, I was trying to pose that if God doesn't exist, then God is not an option for a fix. What can we do to fix it other ways and how can we get everyone to get on board.

 

[whar67]

The problems of the world will be dealt with by people making pragmatic decisions.

This has worked so far. I do not see a need to change. World population is expanding due to increases in food sources. 3rd world countries are closing the gap in wealth. Democracy has expanded massively since the middle of the 20th century. If we can address global climate change and a more permenant fuel source than fossil fuels we seem to be kicking all kinds of ass.

 

[alissowack]

The problems of the world will be dealt with by people making pragmatic decisions.

This has worked so far. I do not see a need to change. World population is expanding due to increases in food sources. 3rd world countries are closing the gap in wealth. Democracy has expanded massively since the middle of the 20th century. If we can address global climate change and a more permenant fuel source than fossil fuels we seem to be kicking all kinds of ass.

So do you have to be a pragmatist to deal with the world's problems? What about people who luck up? Is every pragmatic decision a good decision? For some people, a life of crime is "what works". Murder may be "what works" to a serial killer. How do you tell these type of people that they are doing wrong when, in their point of view, they are doing what's been working for them for quite some time?

 

[whar67]

Pragmatic - Dealing or concerned with facts or actual occurrences; practical.

You have to be a pragmatist to deal with any problem. Not all pragmatic decisions are good but all good decisions are pragmatic.

 

[alissowack]

Pragmatic - Dealing or concerned with facts or actual occurrences; practical.

You have to be a pragmatist to deal with any problem. Not all pragmatic decisions are good but all good decisions are pragmatic.

So there are good pragmatists and bad pragmatists? The last statement sounds contradictory to me for some reason. On the one hand you are saying that pragmatic decisions can be bad, but then you turn around and say in order for a decision to be pragmatic, it has to be good.

 

[The GMW]

Why does something/someone pure and innocent have to die in order for God to forgive sins? Was God unable to forgive people's sins until he saw a sinless man (assuming Jesus was in fact sinless) die a torturous death, which somehow appeased him enough to forgive everyone? Please explain this concept to me. People act like it makes perfect sense for an infinitely compassionate God to require the death of an innocent before he can forgive people, so maybe I'm missing something.

 

[And Step]

That is allegory. Since most of us don't know the origin of the language it was revealed in nor the tampering with meanings by European translators we get lost in their literal interpretations.

Blood sacrrifice means that you give your life(blood represents life) for a desired result. People do it every day. The sacrifice a part of their lives for a perceived greater benefit. Entertainers, Politicians, Athletes, Pastors, Business men deny themselves to advance or be elevated in their chosen profession.

Damn that King James.

 

[The GMW]

So are you saying that the whole story of Jesus actually dying so that everyone else could be forgiven is allegorical? That it never literally happened?

 

[whar67]

So there are good pragmatists and bad pragmatists? The last statement sounds contradictory to me for some reason. On the one hand you are saying that pragmatic decisions can be bad, but then you turn around and say in order for a decision to be pragmatic, it has to be good.

No I am saying for a decision to be good it has to be pragmatic.

 

[Hyde Parke]

considering this world was here millions of years b4 we got here, and will be long after we are gone, i dont think it really matters that much. God seems to be a coping mechanism for most, if anything.

 

[alissowack]

This is not an answer to the question, but maybe it is something to think about. If God is holy, then he has an unimaginable high standard for everything. God wants perfection even down to sacrifices for sin.

 

[sounds of jacob]

That is allegory. Since most of us don't know the origin of the language it was revealed in nor the tampering with meanings by European translators we get lost in their literal interpretations.

Blood sacrrifice means that you give your life(blood represents life) for a desired result. People do it every day. The sacrifice a part of their lives for a perceived greater benefit. Entertainers, Politicians, Athletes, Pastors, Business men deny themselves to advance or be elevated in their chosen profession.

Damn that King James.

LOL RHETORIC ^ ... KING JAMES WAS BLACK ... WE CAN show and prove ... LOL FURTHER MORE HE SANCTIONED THE AUTHORIZATION OF THE KJV HE HAD HEBREW SCHOLARS TRANSLITERATE THE MANUSCRIPTS .. ... THE TORAH IS AUTHENTIC

 

[alissowack]

No I am saying for a decision to be good it has to be pragmatic.

According to the definition you gave, it doesn't suggest any moral outcomes or constraints. Just because someone is concerned or observant of the facts doesn't mean that the facts are good or used for good. I think drug dealers can be pragmatic. They know the facts of what drugs can do. They know for a fact that those addicted to drugs will be more willing to pay a lot of money for it than someone who isn't. They also know the facts about getting caught and the time you serve. Yet, these people are not what you consider good. Being pragmatic seems to have a very loose meaning.

 

[alissowack]

considering this world was here millions of years b4 we got here, and will be long after we are gone, i dont think it really matters that much. God seems to be a coping mechanism for most, if anything.

How can God be a coping mechanism? The name of this being doesn't suggest comfort to me. A deity seem to suggest terror for those trying to side with him. When a deity gets upset, it's catastrophic; volcanos erupting, lightning striking, and the winds blowing. You don't really know if you are in this deity's favor or not. You can doing something you think is what he wants only to still be cursed.

 

[The GMW]

This is not an answer to the question, but maybe it is something to think about. If God is holy, then he has an unimaginable high standard for everything. God wants perfection even down to sacrifices for sin.

How does that equate to being "holy"? Why would a "holy" being require any kind of death in exchange for forgiveness, let alone the death of something utterly innocent? If he was holy, he would simply forgive anyone who honestly sought forgiveness. "To forgive is divine", isn't that what they say?