Questions and Statements about God...

[BOSS KTULU]

Lool but thats how silly and pointless this arguments are both parties go home with their beliefs intact and kind of reinforced cos they both feel they won

nah, people change their minds all the time

happens on the IC once in a while, happens in real life more often

 

[Alpha_Ambition]

ARGUMENT FROM PULP FICTION
(1) God came down from heaven, and stopped those motha-fuckin' bullets.
(2) Therefore, God exists.

I felt the touch of god vincent
What we witnessed was a fuckin miracle
GOAT dialogue

 

[oliverlang]

If there is a god (which I don't believe) and there is a hell (which I don't believe) he would definitely be going. God has done just about everything he has ordered everyone else not to do. He reminds me of a parent telling their kid (s)he shouldn't smoke cigarettes as they take a puff of their Newport and blow smoke in kid's face.

 

[TX_Made713]

we can "create" our own "reality" if we put our minds to it

been blowing on that happy pipe have we

 

[supaman4321]

Did Jesus believe that he came to die for his own sins, if not did he go to hell?

 

[kingjust627]

I totally agree, God does indeed live inside of us through the 'Holy Spirit'. www.deathandlife.org

Are you god? How do you know what lives inside us? That is the most assinine assumption i've ever heard. And what is up with the site you posted? It's title has the word FACTS in it as if it has a measuraable way to surmount that something factual; yet they use the bible as its evidence for what the bible says??? WTF That doesn't prove anything but that people cannot think outside the bible (aka closed minded).

 

[trackreviver]

I glance over these threads and see alot of laziness, and people that don't want to study.... then you want to debate God...

Understand that you problem with God is more-so because of close-mindedness, lack of someone teaching you how to properly read scripture, and then lack of studying.....

Very well put.

 

[demandred]

you should of left this trash where it originated at....

 

[demandred]

God has to give you numerous chances to either accept or reject him

 

[demandred]

I always find it amusing when those who are obsessed with a religion claim that non-believers are close-minded; when in fact, it's usually those that are subscribed to a particular religion that have closed their mind to all other possibilities and don't see the illogicalness of what they are claiming, as they so easily denounce others. It reminds me of the quote:

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” - Stephen Roberts

A) I'm not obsessed with Religion

B) I'm hilariously open-minded to talking to people and coming to an understanding on how they view things, and have no problem allowing people their own personal beliefs, nor taking on their views within my own self, if it is for the purpose of objective truth

C) I explore the various aspects of different "teachings" in order to further my own knowledge, therefor It's mandatory that I have to be receptive to other people's line of thinking...

D) I have my own preference towards things, which is backed by strenuous amounts of studying, and not my own emotion or because I did not give something a 100% shot

The problem with your quote when it pertains to me, is that at the end of the day everyone has a God that they serve, yours just may be yourself, if thats the decision you choose to make thats A ok with me, and I respect your God, the problem is when the reverse is not true... anyone that claims he believes in nothing of the supernatural then finds his self visiting a religion section either has intended malice in his heart, or he internally is crying out for understanding and he just doesnt know where else to get it... and this leads to conflict and a bunch of useless emotional point proving banter... that I choose not to be a part of, I'd rather invest my time in studying

Instead of trying to push our personal viewpoints, how about people try to find a common ground, and search for the truth and similarities and possibilities amongst the different lines of thinking, this website would be so much of a better place if people had discussions from the aspect of their studying, and not from randomality

If you can find points that are backed by your own personal research that do not line up, and I do my own research and come to the same conclusion... then I'll admit it, but I have yet to see it yet... I see exactly what my original post has stated....

this post is so true.....i understand how it is t o be religious because i was once like that. the bible or whatever text trains you to think like that

The Bible doesn't teach religion, man uses the Bible to teach religion, because its a versatile book, and can be used for numerous things both evil or good... the book in itself is just revelation or knowledge... its ones decision what to do with that, and the biggest fallacy with the Bible is trying to pull bits and pieces from it... if your going to use the book, you need to be able to use the whole entire thing....which means you must read, and then reread the whole entire thing until you get it

One could only estimate how long this took Christ, but he was an avid studier of the Tanakh, and his either ministry came from his understanding of the OT, Yahweh, and the Holy Spirit, and it was common that the Jewish children had to be able to quote verbatim the first five books of moses(Torah) by the time they reached the age of 5

exactly ... i agree .... i must have misread your statement somewhere .... because this post does reflect alot of what i learned

I appreciate you my brother in truth

 

[demandred]

As much as I feel that there is a lack of understanding, it is also a lack of trust; a lack of faith. Someone might understand that there is a bridge, but if they are not going to trust that the bridge will hold them, they won't cross it. For some people, God can't be trusted. There is no reason to think that God has any power at all for some. There is no sense of living in fear of a God that isn't going to do anything for some. And so far, atheists have every right, even if wrong, to make their claims. However, there are those who trust in God; who at least give God reverence; that maybe God is who He says He is and be faithful that God's Words will hold.

beauty in this post

I'll just tag off of the foundation you have laid

Jesus broke this down in Mark chapter 4.. Ill pull some excerts from the Amplified version

Mar 4:11 And He said to them, To you has been entrusted the mystery of the kingdom of God [that is, the secret counsels of God which are hidden from the ungodly]; but for those outside [[c] of our circle] everything becomes a parable,

Mar 4:12 In order that they may [indeed] look and look but not see and perceive, and may hear and hear but not grasp and comprehend, [d] lest haply they should turn again, and it [[e] their willful rejection of the truth] should be forgiven them.(A)

Mar 4:13 And He said to them, Do you not discern and understand this parable? How then is it possible for you to discern and understand all the parables?

One must allow ones reception of the Word, take it to heart, and allow entrance of the spirit of the Lord to enter in(according to Chapter 1 of Ephesians), in order for one to understand the various parables within the Bible... infact the whole entire book is one gigantic parable

understand to question the bible or any other religious writings is NOT questioning God! It's questioning MAN!
If I tell you that God inspired or told me directly to post this you most likely would not believe, you might even quote scripture telling why God wouldn't talk to me. But i reality you can't prove if I'm being truthful of not, and you would be doubting me, not God.

The bible also teaches one to gain the gift of discernment, and this is a gift that must be exercised and strengthen by the Word.... one thing about inspiration from God through the spirit is that it all shares a commonality, and with my sense of discernment heighten, I should be able to tell what realm the information you provide comes from...

It's okay to question the Bible if you have the proper tools to answer your own questions... you should not need that much assistance from Man, Man should confirm the revelation that you should be able to reach on your own study time, and God speaks to alot of people including me, some of us decide to listen, some of us don't... so if you said God spoke to you then it is what it is, but the revelation you give has the ability to be tested by other people that God speaks to as well, the Bible says let the words of the prophet be judged by other prophets....

^^^If in fact A God is using man, and it is a fact that man is not perfect. What should I do when man fails to interpret God correctly, and God chooses not to correct him? People today follow empty traditions and don't really know why they follow them. Then look down on those who disagree.
Take marriage for example.
Where in the bible does it explain how to have a wedding? Where does it say exchange vows in front of a priest, minister or a judge? Where did the wedding ring come in at?
Now if you are just living with your s/o, religous folks accuse you of living in sin. How so? Because man made some extra shit up that they felt other men left out. Or do they/you think God forgot to include the proper steps of marriage?

The reason God chose the Hebrews/Jews is because of their culture, the Bible states that only to the Jews has the complete revelation of God been given... this also applies to marriages... God's natural manifestation of the feast of the wedding can be learned by studying the Jewish Wedding ceremony, one of the great mysteries in the Bible is the explaination of the Wedding, but the bible also shows how one is to first come to the understanding of love, and then release than love to another equally yoked human being, but combining the American Culture and the Jewish is a hardship, because they are so opposite in so many ways

Part of the process of the Jewish wedding process was that after the man and the father made the agreement, then the man got engaged and left to prepare a place for his fiance to live, in which they would move into when they were married, but the thing about God is that he meets you were you are at

If you are shacking up with someone, his desire is not necessarily that you change the situation immediately, but that your household comes into understanding of the correct procedure, and then make the best decision on how to bring things together so that they will work out for the greater good....

^^^^^who Is to say that someone is a "holy man"? Who's to say that if someone doesn't connect with the bible, yet feel he has gained spiritual enlightment, he has not? Does god only work one way? What about other religions that come from the same area as the bible? Every qoute from the bible is hearsay, because those that allegedly said didn't write it down. Is this not truth or did I make this up?
Did God stop inspiring people? Did he stop talking to people? Does god tell everyone the samething?

You can claim that the bible is the word of god.
But the world and happens in it, is the ACTION of god.
And a lot of the time his action contradicts his word.
Does it not?

I like you

Only God has the ability to deem a man Holy as he sees fit, its by the heart of a man that God judges, not by his outward expressions... Man can't deem another man Holy, because only the spirit can discern the intentions of the heart

Spiritual enlightment is spiritual enlightment, but hopefully we understand their are two kingdoms within the Spirit Realm, those that are obedient, and those that walk in rebellion, I would have to be careful in who I align myself with within the spirit, but if one is truly spiritually enlighten the Bible is a great source of knowledge even if that is not the particular path one chooses, I do not find it coincidence that some occultic believers study and research the bible more intensely than your average so called "christian"

God works one way... his way... religion shouldnt be the focal point... getting closer to God should be, and God rules and reigns over the just and the unjust... he favors no man, and has the ability to speak to any and all of his creation regardless of what they in their limited human perspective choose to believe....he raises those that are obedient to his methods and his ways, and his way is love, relationship, and family

God doesn't contradict himself, you just havent given him enough room to show himself to you....We are made in the image and likeness of God... you would be amazed at the commonality we share with him....

 

[demandred]

How did Jesus deal with it, when the possibilities of going to hell still exist (if that's what you believe)? Did he die for peoples sins for just those 3 days he was supposedly dead? was he the temporary savior?

Upon research of the offerings that the priest made in the time period before Christ, God made a promise to Adam, than the punishment for sin is death(spiritual death first, and natural death last), but God also made an escape clause in that, that blood must be shed to pay the price for sin, so in the OT times, one was able to atone or pay the penalty of the sins a person committed by killing an sinless animal in the method that God ordained... Cain and Abel is a great example of an offering gone wrong... In the day of atonement, in which people would be able to get a clean slate with God, they had two animals one was slain, and the other animal represented the animal that took on all of the sins of the people, and it was cast out of the land, and all of the sins with it

So in the time period before Jesus, they pretty much did what was done to Jesus on animals... now the thing with Christ is this... if you look all throughout the old testament, there is no sacrifice perfect enough to permanently atone for the sinful nature of man... I wouldnt think there would be enough animals left if the proper amount were slayed for the sins people committed on a daily bases, there was also no man that was sinless before God capable of standing as an intercessor between God and between Man... God is bound by the promises and the covenants he has spoken, and that were written in the Bible, he cannot do things differently... one thing about God is... God HAS to judge sin, but out of the love in God's heart he turns his head on our sin and tries to ignore it as much as possible, but once we hit a certain level... he has to hold true to his promise... in order to prevent this God also implemented the rule that if he can find a righteous man to stand before him, and be a mediator between him and the sinner that God himself must answer the request made of that mediator.. if you look throughout the Old Testament there is no man sinless that he could stand perfectly to prevent the judgement of God from coming forth

This is ONE of the purposes in which Christ had to come forth, Jesus had to live a hard life in order to best tested, tried and proven before all of the observers in the spiritual realm, that he was worthy to stand before God... the spirit realm has checks and balances and even God himself is accountable to those things within it

By him standing sinless in the spirit realm and within his heart, he was able to ask God for forgiveness that he would not destroy the sinners, as well as being made into an animal sacrifice, he gave his entire life, so that you can live and walk in the sacrifice that he made at the Cross, that his blood was great enough that it covered all sins within your life time if you apply it, animals only temporarily covered the sins of man... Christ covers us for eternity, he has been lifted to the right hand of the Father in which he on the daily basis makes intercession for us

This is part of the mystery of the plan of salvation that God originated with man, because he desired to have a people that loved and wanted him for him to place within his family, not because he forced people to accept him

Understand that Heaven is being able to be in the presence of God, and understand hell is a place where you are removed from his presence and all of the things that come with it, and this is a place where your spirit and soul enters

Sin is an opinion.
Sin is when someone disagrees with someone elses form of pleasure.
If you deny yourself pleasure, the bible god is happy.
Jesus must have been an unhappy basterd that couldn't wait to die.
Jesus did sin. He committed suicide.

Sin is disobedience towards the mandates that God set up, God has no problem with pleasure, he just has a specific order in which you go about doing things which are for your own good, and for the overall best interest of all of creation

God does not delight in you denying yourself pleasure, he is not pleased with you denying him, just like a father that has a kid that randomly does whatever he wants and doesnt listen, when all the father wants to do is be a good parent and lead the child in the correct direction

Jesus was more than likely the most fulfilled human being that walked the planet, and God's definition of suicide is preventing or cutting short the plan and the purpose that he has for your life, as well as taking your life into your own hands instead of allowing God to do what he sees best

Christ did not commit suicide

1)What death should we have died for sin?

2)Correct me if I am wrong, but supposedly if people go to hell, they are suffering, for all eternity. Does that not also mean they to have eternal life, even if they are "suffering"?

3)But jesus dying for merely 3 days was a perfect sacrifice? Which he was resurrected from, showing there is no death, even for those who go to hell.

4)That is bullshit, that is not what god sees or even "said". God said, sin was error, or missing the mark. According to what the definitions of the word. Unless you are saying the inspired writters got the wrong meaning of the word?

5)The only thing that remedies errors is CORRECTING them. And no man/god had to die for all humans for this to occur.

1)The wages of sin is complete death

2)Revelation reveals that Hell will be completely wiped out, and everything within it.. Hell is only a temporarily holding cell, afterwards there will be a new heaven and earth, and humans will be restored back to Earth, God planned on human beings living for eternity on Earth, not in Heaven or Hell

3)Jesus had shown that through this example, as well as the numerous resurrections that he had power over death, Death is not of God's personal character life is... Death is a stronghold of Satan, which means being cut off from God... the more cut off you allow your self to be the more you go through the experience of death, and death is a process that starts with death of your spiritual man, graduates to death of the soulish man, and eventually your flesh follows, Flesh is meant to die, but your soul and spirit are not meant to experience death

4)Psa 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.
Iniquity is defined as inherited sin, which was brought forth from the original sinner of Mankind, Christ even stated that he did not trust man because he understood their nature (Human Nature)

5)The wages of sin is death, the only way for someone to pay for sin is with blood.... someone had to spill some blood....

Very well put.

Thank you sir

 

[TX_Made713]

God has to give you numerous chances to either accept or reject him

translation: Just follow the bible and shut up.

alrighty then

 

[TX_Made713]

this is a retarded thread

 

[ItzGravitation]

you asking some dangerous questions dude

 

[TX_Made713]

you asking some dangerous questions dude

Naw, he jsut askin the question the religious people are afraid to ask...the bible wont let them

 

[ItzGravitation]

Naw, he jsut askin the question the religious people are afraid to ask...the bible wont let them

well why nobody aint answred yet

what religion is god?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

If truth was a religion, I'd say god was the religion of truth.

 

[The True Flesh]

It's simple, The Actual Creator............................transcends religion

but for all intensive purposes........Christian/Messianic.......for lack of a better term.

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:24

PEACE

 

[demandred]

translation: Just follow the bible and shut up.

alrighty then

translation: You lost me with the statement you just made, so I'll just randomly place words into your mouth that play into my favor....