Questions and Statements about God...

[Colin$mackabi$h]

Sure, no one would dare say that science is a religion...and we shouldn't, but it makes me wonder about the implications associated with it. Some people don't see science as just a field of study or practice. It is a way of life; vital to existence. Science is the one with all the answers if you need one and if science doesn't have it, it eventually will. Or, if science doesn't have an answer, then there isn't meant to be one.

or it hasnt made up anything yet

 

[ThaChozenWun]

I don't understand..

God is described as an all powerful being who created everything and holds human characteristics.

Science is none of that, science simply tells us how things work.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

And science is a way of life, because it explains things that are essential to sustaining our life. It is essential in allowing us to go places we've never been. Just because those who are really into science end up atheist does not mean it tells us how to live. It doesn't say "don't believe in god because we say so". The premise of science is for people to form theories and search, the problem is no one can bring back any solid evidence saying that Jesus existed let alone that a God exists. You can't find 5 biblical scholars or 5 preachers that agree on their field, yet there are thousands upon thousands of scientists who are constantly checking others works and ridiculing their findings and performing their own tests and eventually coming to the same conclusion.

Presenting facts? Scientist do nothing but present their facts. Not one scientist has ever said "this is what I found it's true, you don't need to know how, just believe it.". They always present the evidence and facts that they used to base their conclusion and it's open for anyone to go and test their theories. Your hatred for science and atheists is disgusting and highly misinformed.

And Math does more to disprove a god and make some atheist than science does.

 

[toktaylor]

Is the Universe in choas or is it in perfect design?...answer that question truthfully and the answer to the "TS" question becomes clear.

 

[fiat_money]

Science is science.

No need to call it or anything other than proposed supernatural beings/deities "God":

Any time you have to name something that actually exists and is observable or measurable as "god"; the label becomes insignificant, for it is no longer supernatural.

You might as well call hydrogen "god", it's basically everywhere, and without it many things would not be possible.

Or you could just call hydrogen "hydrogen", the universe "the universe", and humans "humans".

 

[alissowack]

And science is a way of life, because it explains things that are essential to sustaining our life. It is essential in allowing us to go places we've never been. Just because those who are really into science end up atheist does not mean it tells us how to live. It doesn't say "don't believe in god because we say so". The premise of science is for people to form theories and search, the problem is no one can bring back any solid evidence saying that Jesus existed let alone that a God exists. You can't find 5 biblical scholars or 5 preachers that agree on their field, yet there are thousands upon thousands of scientists who are constantly checking others works and ridiculing their findings and performing their own tests and eventually coming to the same conclusion.

Presenting facts? Scientist do nothing but present their facts. Not one scientist has ever said "this is what I found it's true, you don't need to know how, just believe it.". They always present the evidence and facts that they used to base their conclusion and it's open for anyone to go and test their theories. Your hatred for science and atheists is disgusting and highly misinformed.

And Math does more to disprove a god and make some atheist than science does.

What makes you think I hate science? I was never good at, but it doesn't mean that I don't appreciate it. It's just for some people, science is God. This is for those people who think a scientific notation has more of a right to tell them how they should live their lives than they do.

 

[toktaylor]

Science is Man's way of explaining the Infinite Creator's creation...all of creation has an order or design, science just try to decipher it. For example, explaining that a "Green Blob" is creating stars does to answer who or what created the 'Green Blob"........

 

[alissowack]

Science is science.

No need to call it or anything other than proposed supernatural beings/deities "God":

It doesn't have to be supernatural to be "worshiped". Money is money, but there are people that rob, kill, and steal for it.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

What makes you think I hate science? I was never good at, but it doesn't mean that I don't appreciate it. It's just for some people, science is God. This is for those people who think a scientific notation has more of a right to tell them how they should live their lives than they do.

Because you constatly are making negative false claims about it. Science is nothing like a God. No one treats science as God. If people do not believe in God science cannot be treated as something they don't believe. We don't believe science will put us in an eternal happy place or firer pit. We don't have faith that science will float down from the sky and save 144,000 people then make everyone suffer until they believe it lol. Science has no belief, it's facts, and evidence, and tested hypothesis.

And I have never met nor known anyone who says science tells them how to live life. How would science tell you to live life explain that? What are the 10 commandments of science?

 

[Hyde Parke]

theories, concepts, beliefs. Ive been saying for some time how there isnt much difference between beliefs/disbeliefs.

 

[fiat_money]

It doesn't have to be supernatural to be "worshiped". Money is money, but there are people that rob, kill, and steal for it.

What relevance does the worshiping of things have here? Anything can be worshiped, that doesn't make it "God" or a god.

You stated "Science Is God". And "God" is a proposed supernatural being. So for science to be "God", science would have to be a supernatural being.

 

[alissowack]

Because you constatly are making negative false claims about it. Science is nothing like a God. No one treats science as God. If people do not believe in God science cannot be treated as something they don't believe. We don't believe science will put us in an eternal happy place or firer pit. We don't have faith that science will float down from the sky and save 144,000 people then make everyone suffer until they believe it lol. Science has no belief, it's facts, and evidence, and tested hypothesis.

And I have never met nor known anyone who says science tells them how to live life. How would science tell you to live life explain that? What are the 10 commandments of science?

How do you know that no one treats science as God? Just as you think I am making a negative assertion on science, I believe you are doing the same. You have in your mind that God is somehow confined to a "religious" setting; that science is being made to be some idol that people in white trench coats gather around and meditate on equations (probably not like that, but somewhere like this). It doesn't have to be supernatural. We all "worship" something; submit to something.

 

[alissowack]

What relevance does the worshiping of things have here? Anything can be worshiped, that doesn't make it "God" or a god.

You stated "Science Is God". And "God" is a proposed supernatural being. So for science to be "God", science would have to be a supernatural being.

You have in your mind that worship is sort of religious experience. Everybody serves something. It may not be God, but it requires your devotion; your life to it...that without it, you are nothing.

 

[fiat_money]

What relevance does the worshiping of things have here? Anything can be worshiped, that doesn't make it "God" or a god.

You stated "Science Is God". And "God" is a proposed supernatural being. So for science to be "God", science would have to be a supernatural being.

You have in your mind that worship is sort of religious experience. Everybody serves something. It may not be God, but it requires your devotion; your life to it...that without it, you are nothing.

How so? I just stated that "Anything can be worshiped". How would stating that mean that I think worshiping is a process exclusive to religion?

More importantly: How would the fact that people worship things show that science is the proposed supernatural being known as "God"?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

How do you know that no one treats science as God?

Because I have yet to see anyone worship science and claim it to be the all mighty creator who's watching you.

Just as you think I am making a negative assertion on science, I believe you are doing the same.

I base my judgments on the evident facts that you in several threads have hinted that science is wrong and is the sole reason for atheism's existence.

You have in your mind that God is somehow confined to a "religious" setting;

Because the concept of a god came from religion. If religion never happened God wouldn't be labeled on such things. It would be what they truly are which is science, space, protons, neurons, etc... The word "God" was created to explain a supernatural creator, if that is the origin of the world then that is it's meaning. END OF STORY.

that science is being made to be some idol that people in white trench coats gather around and meditate on equations (probably not like that, but somewhere like this).

Show evidence that science is being made into an idol and is being worshiped and not just used as a basis for research to provide better answers than "we don't know" or "some magical being did it".

It doesn't have to be supernatural. We all "worship" something; submit to something.

Then say science is worshiped, I still think you'd be wrong, but it's better worded then science is god which holds absolutely zero similarities.

 

[alissowack]

How so? I just stated that "Anything can be worshiped". How would stating that mean that I think worshiping is a process exclusive to religion?

More importantly: How would the fact that people worship things show that science is the proposed supernatural being known as "God"?

Worshiping doesn't necessarily apply to the "supernatural". I will admit that the thread does invite a claim, but I meant it more for something to think about; not to prove that science is a supernatural being. Science for some is not just a way to explain life...it is life; that without it, everything is "dead". But it's no different from someone say that God is life and that without God that everything is dead.

 

[alissowack]

Because I have yet to see anyone worship science and claim it to be the all mighty creator who's watching you.

I base my judgments on the evident facts that you in several threads have hinted that science is wrong and is the sole reason for atheism's existence.

Because the concept of a god came from religion. If religion never happened God wouldn't be labeled on such things. It would be what they truly are which is science, space, protons, neurons, etc... The word "God" was created to explain a supernatural creator, if that is the origin of the world then that is it's meaning. END OF STORY.

Show evidence that science is being made into an idol and is being worshiped and not just used as a basis for research to provide better answers than "we don't know" or "some magical being did it".

Then say science is worshiped, I still think you'd be wrong, but it's better worded then science is god which holds absolutely zero similarities.

When I made this thread, it wasn't meant to explain or prove that science is God...but I see that it is what you were expecting. It was to say that people treat science as God. The "white trench coat" comment was a dry joke on the perception on what people think of worship. I wasn't trying to produce to you a exact location of where this "church" is. I see though that you believe that the evidence will tell you "everything"; that without it, "everything" would mean nothing.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

When I made this thread, it wasn't meant to explain or prove that science is God...but I see that it is what you were expecting. It was to say that people treat science as God. The "white trench coat" comment was a dry joke on the perception on what people think of worship. I wasn't trying to produce to you a exact location of where this "church" is. I see though that you believe that the evidence will tell you "everything"; that without it, "everything" would mean nothing.

Everything means something. I believe the fact that we're here by accident is more special than a being creating us here. And no evidene won't be there for everything, and that is when you take the clues and piece them together to form the strongest fitting puzzle possible and call it a theory. On the other hand your people say "evidence... hogwash it was god" "no evidence.... PROOF IT WAS GOD"

And people treat god as science, not the other way around. Science can be proven, it is the positive, God cannot, it is the negative.

 

[alissowack]

Everything means something. I believe the fact that we're here by accident is more special than a being creating us here. And no evidene won't be there for everything, and that is when you take the clues and piece them together to form the strongest fitting puzzle possible and call it a theory. On the other hand your people say "evidence... hogwash it was god" "no evidence.... PROOF IT WAS GOD"

And people treat god as science, not the other way around. Science can be proven, it is the positive, God cannot, it is the negative.

Would everything mean something if science wasn't the one to say that it was so? Is science the "final say", or the authority on what is?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Would everything mean something if science wasn't the one to say that it was so? Is science the "final say", or the authority on what is?

No, science can change at any time. It gives us the understanding at the present time. Most theories end up sticking and are 100% accurate. However a huge breakthrough can take place and change a number of proposed theories.

And @ the bolded..... what?