Questions and Statements about God...

[KTULU IS BACK]

Why do these new-agey potheads get so heavily into the basic jargon of quantum mechanics and multiple-universe theories?

Ah, it's because it lets them talk like new-agey potheads instead of having to read the full explanations of those ideas so they can get a sense of how tentative and un-new-agey they truly are.

These niggas think they're "enlightened" because they can spout off "energy IS matter, dude!"

Take Physics 101, please.

 

[MeTaL]

Really.

So the energy produced by the gasoline burning in my truck is "consciousness."

Why do you people read the introductory chapter of high school physics textbooks and then stop reading further?

The real world is fascinating, but you have to confuse yourselves with all this new-agey nonsense.

This is just my point of view, of how I see things,I humbly respect your logic, but I say said before in previous post, that some may say yes and some may not agreed with at all and I respect that.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

This is just my point of view

And I'm letting you know that your point of view is not well-informed.

If you're interested in physics, why don't you study the subject instead of browsing crystallinks all day?

 

[Hyde Parke]

And I'm letting you know that your point of view is not well-informed.

If you're interested in physics, why don't you study the subject instead of browsing crystallinks all day?

you are out of control, as usual.

 

[MeTaL]

And I'm letting you know that your point of view is not well-informed.

If you're interested in physics, why don't you study the subject instead of browsing crystallinks all day?

Honesty, never was good in physics, but thank you for the offer. With that said, enjoy the rest of your night.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

That holds no significance, because consciousness can also interact with that which is inanimate or that which is "unconscious".

So that would do nothing to show the universe is "conscious".

Are you saying that if I consciously interact with my computer desk, it is interacting back?

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Honesty, never was good in physics

Yes, we can see that.

But you're clearly interested in it. Just because you didn't like the classes you took doesn't mean you can't study the subject on your own. Get "A Brief History of Time" and start from there. Or "The Universe in a Nutshell" if you like pretty pictures. Either way, good layman's introduction to real science.

 

[MeTaL]

Hyde, I have book for you to should check out, the tales of Genji, might want to look that up, before you leave.

 

[fiat_money]

Are you saying that if I consciously interact with my computer desk, it is interacting back?

Not necessarily. Unless the desk is also acting upon you, no interaction is taking place. However, interaction isn't exclusive to sentient beings or other beings. As the word "interaction" suggests, it's merely actions between systems, things, beings, etc. Therefore, machines can interact with other machines, chemicals can interact with other chemicals, people can interact with machines, etc.

Simply put: If you push your computer desk, and the desk affects you in any way--such as with a normal force or friction--then interaction has occurred between you and the desk.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

Very interesting, Holds account on true occasions. But I agree and disagree with luck and probability. Let me tell why I disagree, before I tell I agree.

I disagree because their there is a theory, that for every possible event there are infinite number of possible outcomes, all of which do happen, but in different quantum realities. Though hypothetically, "if universe/reality is infinite", as in, endless cycle of rebirth and collapse, then anything is possible, including all events which can happen, do, in their own iteration of reality.

Now let tell why I agree. I agree because The universe is infinite yet bounded and is of finite mass and volume. It has a time of origin, as you said, "Consciousness isn't necessary for those reactions to take place. The reactions that are necessary for consciousness are so numerous that it creates complexity." So in conclusion matter and energy are never created or destroyed, they change forms. So the configuration and reconfigurations of matter and energy can mathematically approach infinity, and that all such combination and permutations have not already occurred.

Probability is a part of everything we do. We measure the probability of what may happen if we do X,Y and Z. You can do that and still fail with out using past data to predict future trends. It doesn't always work because there are unknown things that may defeat your plans. We increase our probability of a healthy life by visiting a doctor yearly but you may still dies from a rare cancer. What's the probability that you will happen to work in the world trade center during 9/11/01. My sister worked there in 2000 but moved to a company in jersey. She watched the twin towers go down from her office window across the river.

What's the probability that your college degree will be worth a damn in 10 years, 10 years ago. You have to look at the fact that unknowns affect future possibility. This means the future is unknown but we insure against chance by observing current trends to guess the future possibilities will be in demand and necessary. It's all probable because there is a chance that your wrong. The luck is the payoff. You may just die before you graduate. That is an unknown. The rich guys are able to place their bets against the payoff and the possible failure which can be converted to a payoff due to insurance which is a tool used to insure against the possibility of destructive events. Usually these events are rare which increases the profitability of insurance companies. You can't insure against everything as evident by the current recession.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

in space, if you high five a guy, you'll both float off into a cold and lonely death

dont give dap in space

 

[Hyde Parke]

Hyde, I have book for you to should check out, the tales of Genji, might want to look that up, before you leave.

peace Metal..i'll do just that. props.

there is a saying, you dont choose books, they choose you, so i consider this a blessing..peace.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Not necessarily. Unless the desk is also acting upon you, no interaction is taking place. However, interaction isn't exclusive to sentient beings or other beings. As the word "interaction" suggests, it's merely actions between systems, things, beings, etc. Therefore, machines can interact with other machines, chemicals can interact with other chemicals, people can interact with machines, etc.

Simply put: If you push your computer desk, and the desk affects you in any way--such as with a normal force or friction--then interaction has occurred between you and the desk.

Oh okay I see now.

Could you help me understand why a particle changing it's behavior solely because it's being watched isn't considered a conscious interaction between the particle and the human?

*I'm asking if the particle is aware enough to know that something is observing it and changes it behavior, is that not consciousness and interaction?

 

[fiat_money]

Oh okay I see now.

Could you help me understand why a particle changing it's behavior solely because it's being watched isn't considered a conscious interaction between the particle and the human?

Assuming the behavior of the particle in question changes directly/indirectly because of the observation and not some other reason: Unless the observer thinks "I will observe this particle's behavior so that its behavior will change as a result of me observing it." the interaction is not the result of conscious decision.

Thus it is not a conscious interaction.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Assuming the behavior of the particle in question changes directly/indirectly because of the observation and not some other reason: Unless the observer thinks "I will observe this particle's behavior so that its behavior will change as a result of me observing it." the interaction is not the result of conscious decision.

Thus it is not a conscious interaction.

*I'm asking if the particle is aware enough to know that something is observing it and changes it behavior, is that not consciousness and interaction?

Didn't know if you saw the edit.

 

[Chike]

And?

The Earth is just one of the many millions of planets that are likely to harbor life.

Stars die all the time, taking with them any living thing that depended on their warmth.

The universe isn't here FOR US. We're just here in it.

I think that's what he said in the post that you quoted lol You tried to disagree with him by agreeing with him

 

[VIBE]

Yes, we can see that.

But you're clearly interested in it. Just because you didn't like the classes you took doesn't mean you can't study the subject on your own. Get "A Brief History of Time" and start from there. Or "The Universe in a Nutshell" if you like pretty pictures. Either way, good layman's introduction to real science.

Does it matter which one you read first?

 

[fiat_money]

*I'm asking if the particle is aware enough to know that something is observing it and changes it behavior, is that not consciousness and interaction?

Didn't know if you saw the edit.

Although, classically, it may have been assumed that the observer was independent of the system in the which the particle in question was being observed; the fact that the particle was affected by being observed shows they weren't truly independent of it. Therefore, the act of observing--to an extent--is also an act of interaction. And this act is a result of the person deciding to observe the particle within the system. So, it can't necessarily be assumed that any observed behavior is the result of some proposed "awareness" of the particle in question.

 

[Shuffington]

Lotta Deepak Chopra N*gga post in this thread

 

[alissowack]

Sure, no one would dare say that science is a religion...and we shouldn't, but it makes me wonder about the implications associated with it. Some people don't see science as just a field of study or practice. It is a way of life; vital to existence. Science is the one with all the answers if you need one and if science doesn't have it, it eventually will. Or, if science doesn't have an answer, then there isn't meant to be one.

The findings in science seems to do more to tell a person how he or she should live their own lives instead of presenting facts. It seems to do more to tell people who they are and what they should believe than just be informative. Science is right and we are wrong.

Nothing is a mystery, or act of God according to science...it has some long-winded name that only the elect can decipher. And though there is no "church" necessarily for it, there is this "holiness" about it; that no one with "magical" beliefs are worthy of standing on science's holy ground.