Questions and Statements about God...

[alissowack]

Powerful post....

Maybe it would be a powerful post if the Bible is actually teaching that you can live up to the standards that God sets in the Bible. He does point out the common perception that a "Christian" might have, but that is not what the Bible teaches. One of the things that it teaches is that no one chooses God willingly. No one desires God and to think that we can is to deceive ourselves. And when we think we choose God, we have the perception that God is just inviting us into a moral paradigm; be morally good and you will go to Heaven, be morally bad and you will go to Hell. Uptown would have me "owned" if I was actually trying to get him to do something that I can't do myself willfully. I would be deceiving myself to think that God is "pleased" with my moral performance when it's not even about that at all.

 

[alissowack]

Vast majority of the planet has chosen God, maybe not your brand of religion but some version. And atheist would probably return to this fold as well if reality and the God question did not appear impossible together. As for 'determining' thing we are the only sentient rational being walking around. Determining things is our job.

Are you sure? And is the God of the Bible just "another version"? It looks that way when you do take into consideration the vast majority is worshiping some other god. But is what we serve "true"? Yes, determining things is what we do. But does it necessarily mean that because we can't determine what is unknown then it just can't be? No one knows what tomorrow brings. All we can do is plan and hope for the best. And as far as I can see it, the disbelief in God is just as much a belief itself. You are willing to serve the possibility that not only in life, but in death that your assumption is true.

 

[tri3w]

without free will you would be a robot

and lucifer is the yin to the yang

the world is run and ran by two opposing sides, yin & yang

by the way, if u spell "God", add a O and it's Good

If you spell "Devil", take out the D and it's Evil

U got that from 2pac lol

 

[whar67]

Are you sure? And is the God of the Bible just "another version"? It looks that way when you do take into consideration the vast majority is worshiping some other god. But is what we serve "true"? Yes, determining things is what we do. But does it necessarily mean that because we can't determine what is unknown then it just can't be? No one knows what tomorrow brings. All we can do is plan and hope for the best. And as far as I can see it, the disbelief in God is just as much a belief itself. You are willing to serve the possibility that not only in life, but in death that your assumption is true.

Don't you think the arguement of 'truth' represents a certain amount of hubris on the part of the person believing they know the truth? The Hindu, Jew, Muslim, and Mormon all hold a different 'truth' that a typical christian. Each of these faith believes they hold this truth for similar reasons, revelation by a god, personal experience, or history. Given the note perfect chorus that rises from these religious how can one claim to be truer than an other?

 

[earth two superman]

i thought heyslicks was gods only mistake.

 

[alissowack]

Don't you think the arguement of 'truth' represents a certain amount of hubris on the part of the person believing they know the truth? The Hindu, Jew, Muslim, and Mormon all hold a different 'truth' that a typical christian. Each of these faith believes they hold this truth for similar reasons, revelation by a god, personal experience, or history. Given the note perfect chorus that rises from these religious how can one claim to be truer than an other?

For reasons that have nothing to do with the truth. If God exists, does it matter what a Hindu, Jew, Muslim, Mormon or even Christians think (I hate using the term because anybody can be labled one). You see us parading around arguing looking like fools trying to sell "unbelievers" on something, that if true, can't be sold; that it can't be earned. Truth would be something that isn't influenced by anybody's presuppositions and worldviews. When someone is telling you that God exists, it is usually influenced by something other than what the religion teaches.

 

[UPTOWN]

Know as in...I know my multiplication tables or know as in...I know my best friend? When I was saying that God was not interested in "book knowledge", that is what I meant. God desires that we know Him relationally. If all God wants is for us to just know the facts and live a morally good life, then anybody can do that. Then, there are "Christians" everywhere. But that is not what God wants from us.

I know ol' Blue and Heaven would not like me using the NIV Bible (jokingly), but:

John 3:16- For God so loved the world he gave his one and only son, that whoever...believes...in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

this is my last time saying this .. if you dont understand this then so be it

God doesnt want or need anything ... why do you keep insisting that God "wants" or that god "needs"

God has no desires!! by you saying that, your giving god HUMAN like flaws and tendencies ...that is a sin my friend lol .. ur very way of thinking and perspective of god is a sin!! LOL .. how can you not see that?? these are your exact words "God desires that we know Him relationally" .... how is it that you say u know what god is thinking?? you know gods desires?? LOL ... god has no desires ... desire is a HUMAN trait. men/women desire money, love, and relationships etc. and if they dont get their desires, there is an emotional reaction (anger, sadness etc) think about it ... if god desires that you have a relationship with him, then what does it mean if you dont?? are you saying gods feelings will be hurt and he'll send you to hell if you dont?? god doesnt have emotions or desires

god doesnt need you .... YOU NEED GOD ....god doesnt "want" you .... YOU WANT GOD

thats the first step in knowing god ... you have to realize that god doesnt have human flaws or human characteristics. stop belittling god because you never studied history and repent for your sins ..... how can you sleep at night after giving god human characteristics???

SMH

 

[alissowack]

this is my last time saying this .. if you dont understand this then so be it

God doesnt want or need anything ... why do you keep insisting that God "wants" or that god "needs"

God has no desires!! by you saying that, your giving god HUMAN like flaws and tendencies ...that is a sin my friend lol .. ur very way of thinking and perspective of god is a sin!! LOL .. how can you not see that?? these are your exact words "God desires that we know Him relationally" .... how is it that you say u know what god is thinking?? you know gods desires?? LOL ... god has no desires ... desire is a HUMAN trait. men/women desire money, love, and relationships etc. and if they dont get their desires, there is an emotional reaction (anger, sadness etc) think about it ... if god desires that you have a relationship with him, then what does it mean if you dont?? are you saying gods feelings will be hurt and he'll send you to hell if you dont?? god doesnt have emotions or desires

god doesnt need you .... YOU NEED GOD ....god doesnt "want" you .... YOU WANT GOD

thats the first step in knowing god ... you have to realize that god doesnt have human flaws or human characteristics. stop belittling god because you never studied history and repent for your sins ..... how can you sleep at night after giving god human characteristics???

SMH

Ah ha!!!! I got cha where I want cha!!!! Kidding. It's sad to say, but I feel that you are belittling God by saying God wants no part with us. According to the Bible, mankind is God's Prized Creation. Why would God be talking to anybody in the Bible if He wants nothing. Why would God call on Moses to lead the Israelites into the Promise Land; why would David be called, "A man after God's own heart", and (there are more, but) the most pivotal thing is this...Why would the Bible stress Jesus so much? God sent His Son to be amongst mankind. And Jesus didn't come to be served, but to serve and give his life as ransom for many. Hey, it's probably the shortest verse in the Bible but, "Jesus wept".

Maybe you think I am wrong in this and I could be. I can accept rebuke if that rebuke ultimately helps me to arrive at the truth. However, I believe you are wrong and that you need to reconsider your assumptions on what you think the Bible is saying. And then again, even if you were to come across the facts, you will still miss the point. It's nothing against you for it applies to me as well: The God of the Bible is not one we seek for ourselves. We don't want any part of Him or think we need Him.

 

[And Step]

He Not???.........What happed 2 "He's like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devor"???

You see the word "like"? Similes my friend. I don't think he goes around eating people.

Allegories rule in the Bible.

 

[One Spliff]

Really? I thought God created everything. So technically, he made earthquakes too. I would call an earthquake that kills 200,000 people a HUGE mistake. Unless God is half evil, than it all makes perfect sense. I would also call cancer and other diseases a mistake. That's just me though.

satan is also known as the great deceiver...

hes obviously gotten to you.

 

[whar67]

For reasons that have nothing to do with the truth. If God exists, does it matter what a Hindu, Jew, Muslim, Mormon or even Christians think (I hate using the term because anybody can be labled one). You see us parading around arguing looking like fools trying to sell "unbelievers" on something, that if true, can't be sold; that it can't be earned. Truth would be something that isn't influenced by anybody's presuppositions and worldviews. When someone is telling you that God exists, it is usually influenced by something other than what the religion teaches.

it matters what a religious person thinks if their faith is correct. If the muslims have an accurate picture on God's will then it certainly matters what they think. If all are equally nonsense then it doesn't matter. As an atheist I fall into the 'equal nonsense' camp.

I do not believe truth is a rigid singluar thing most of the time. Question like 'Is Global climate change bad?' has no single truthful answer. Personal questions like 'Should I become a father?' Certainly have their truth tied to 'presuppositions' or 'worldviews' since those would seem to include opinions, desires, and attritudes. The truths I think you are talking about are things reasonable people agree upon as true, like murder is wrong and General Relativity. These tend to be considered true due to the shared evidence supporting them between the two observers.

 

[TX_Made713]

So is the only reason we exist is to remind god of how awesome he is 24/7? and if we dont then are are destined to get sent to hell?

Why are humans only prone to this? Why do animals/ufo's (Assuming they exist)/ other organisms excempt from this?

Everythign that happens is in Gods will right? Well then murders/rapist/etc are faultless at what they do since they are simply carrying out gods will. so whats up?

 

[TX_Made713]

alrighty then.......thread closed?

 

[Shuffington]

Surprised by T/S ....

oh and yes we have to glorify the G.O.D ...feed its ego.
better yet feed our ego with the G.O.D placebo

 

[alissowack]

it matters what a religious person thinks if their faith is correct. If the muslims have an accurate picture on God's will then it certainly matters what they think. If all are equally nonsense then it doesn't matter. As an atheist I fall into the 'equal nonsense' camp.

I do not believe truth is a rigid singluar thing most of the time. Question like 'Is Global climate change bad?' has no single truthful answer. Personal questions like 'Should I become a father?' Certainly have their truth tied to 'presuppositions' or 'worldviews' since those would seem to include opinions, desires, and attritudes. The truths I think you are talking about are things reasonable people agree upon as true, like murder is wrong and General Relativity. These tend to be considered true due to the shared evidence supporting them between the two observers.

I mean more in respect to the deity. If God exists, then God's existence is not depended on what I say, even if what I believe is true. If God exists, the truth will be revealed. I can tell you that I believe that the God of the Bible exists and you don't believe me. So what? I might be feeling there is something to be gained in trying to convince you or I just have a prejudice against you, but God will not change or die off because someone refuses to believe. Now, it's quite possible that I am being sincere (whatever that looks like) and want you to believe that God of the Bible exists. Again, so what? All I can really do is let you go on with your beliefs. I can't judge you or condemn you...however, unfortunately, that is what religions tend to do...they use it as a means to judge and condemn like we really have any say on the matter. If Heaven or Hell exists, it's ultimately not my call. I can tell you about it but I can't send you anywhere.

I believe that truth is very solid. It can't be bent or broken. If it could, it's runs a very high risk of being a lie.

 

[alissowack]

I believe it is more of a reminder to ourselves.

 

[And Step]

What you described is not glorifying god. That is kiddie praise.

God is not an egomaniac reality that with low self esteem that needs that. Children and Underdeveloped human beings need that.

According to the Bible, Man is the Glory of God. The Holy Qu'ran holds that Man is the best of his Creation. Buddhist seek enlightenment. You Glorify God by developing yourself and faculties to the best of your ability. Stage after Stage until you reach eventual perfection.

Spiritual/Moral l,Mental, and Physical development are the keys to glorifying God, because once you know who and what God is you will see that really you are one and the same. We just haven't developed ourselves that's all

The reason why you portray God as someone who seeks attention is because we are like that. Niggas get 30 inch rims, loud systems, crazy hairstyles, wild clothing, pimped out rides, celebrate after every field goal, brag and boast because we crave attention because we don't have any self worth beyond what we see or attain. Our whole existence screams " Look at me!".

Lazy, Unproductive, Ignorant, Degenerate people will never see God for what and who he/she is.

We got to get a grip on this God thing.

 

[TX_Made713]

What you described is not glorifying god. That is kiddie praise.

God is not an egomaniac reality that with low self esteem that needs that. Children and Underdeveloped human beings need that.

According to the Bible, Man is the Glory of God. The Holy Qu'ran holds that Man is the best of his Creation. Buddhist seek enlightenment. You Glorify God by developing yourself and faculties to the best of your ability. Stage after Stage until you reach eventual perfection.

Spiritual/Moral l,Mental, and Physical development are the keys to glorifying God, because once you know who and what God is you will see that really you are one and the same. We just haven't developed ourselves that's all

The reason why you portray God as someone who seeks attention is because we are like that. Niggas get 30 inch rims, loud systems, crazy hairstyles, wild clothing, pimped out rides, celebrate after every field goal, brag and boast because we crave attention because we don't have any self worth beyond what we see or attain. Our whole existence screams " Look at me!".

Lazy, Unproductive, Ignorant, Degenerate people will never see God for what and who he/she is.

We got to get a grip on this God thing.

somebody caught feelings.

fyi i wasnt being funny or egotistical when i made this thread. its a serious question. no matter how you sugar coat it, its basically telling god how awesome he is. im sure you've prayed before, been to church before. what do the prayers sound like?

"OH HEAVENLY FATHER, IM NOT WORTHY, YOUR SO GREAT, LORD THANK YOU I LOVE YOU YOUR SO AWESOME ETC"

so in what way is this spiritual/physical/etc development? im not saying god is like that either, what im saying is religion attempts to portray him like that

 

[tri3w]

somebody caught feelings.

fyi i wasnt being funny or egotistical when i made this thread. its a serious question. no matter how you sugar coat it, its basically telling god how awesome he is. im sure you've prayed before, been to church before. what do the prayers sound like?

"OH HEAVENLY FATHER, IM NOT WORTHY, YOUR SO GREAT, LORD THANK YOU I LOVE YOU YOUR SO AWESOME ETC"

so in what way is this spiritual/physical/etc development? im not saying god is like that either, what im saying is religion attempts to portray him like that

Fam. what happened to u???? U changed.......

 

[tri3w]

What you described is not glorifying god. That is kiddie praise.

God is not an egomaniac reality that with low self esteem that needs that. Children and Underdeveloped human beings need that.

According to the Bible, Man is the Glory of God. The Holy Qu'ran holds that Man is the best of his Creation. Buddhist seek enlightenment. You Glorify God by developing yourself and faculties to the best of your ability. Stage after Stage until you reach eventual perfection.

Spiritual/Moral l,Mental, and Physical development are the keys to glorifying God, because once you know who and what God is you will see that really you are one and the same. We just haven't developed ourselves that's all

The reason why you portray God as someone who seeks attention is because we are like that. Niggas get 30 inch rims, loud systems, crazy hairstyles, wild clothing, pimped out rides, celebrate after every field goal, brag and boast because we crave attention because we don't have any self worth beyond what we see or attain. Our whole existence screams " Look at me!".

Lazy, Unproductive, Ignorant, Degenerate people will never see God for what and who he/she is.

We got to get a grip on this God thing.

or u might not be the real TX.......