Questions and Statements about God...

[ThaChozenWun]

More like wrong around in cars with flashy lights on top

I edited mine to the word I was aiming for, now you're gonna look like the idiot

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I edited mine to the word I was aiming for, now you're gonna look like the idiot

I already do cuz you quoted my typo before I fixed it too.

 

[Rock_Well]

Yeah killing is okay when it's god doing* it, thou shalt not kill(do as I say not as I do)

so then are u prepared to argue that capital punishment isn't a justifiable consequence?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

so then are u prepared to argue that capital punishment isn't a justifiable consequence?

Killing someone who murdered another is, killing an entire group of people or an entire village of children for the acts of a few yea I'm sure she would.

 

[The GMW]

Show me in the scriptures (particularly the in the NT) where God gives place to committing acts like that of a suicide bomber, shooter or whatever other extreme you referring to?

the issue really is that some theists just don't take the time to carefully consider how they should answer others in regards to the faith, and they just blurt out whatever comes in mind that might sound good. That don't mean that's what God's word teaches though.

So you're saying that God does not have a grand plan of which everything and everyone on earth is a part? Or are you saying that things that he does not want to happen sometimes interfere with his plan?

 

[GSonII]

Just find a job or a way to make money and live your wife to try and be as happy as possible. This search for someone that is not looking for you is stupid. It get's real detrimental to your health after too long.

 

[alissowack]

...how can anything be "evil"? When people suffer or die because of an action that people consider to be evil (like a suicide bombing or a shooting spree), theists will say that although they don't understand why God let it happen, it is all part of God's plan. If that's the case, can the actions of the suicide bomber or shooter be rightly considered evil? After all, they were only acting in accordance with God's plan, correct? How can morality exist if every single thing that human beings do is a part of God's perfect, master plan?

Is it our place to say what God considers to be "evil"? This is where we need to be more careful. It is not to say that there isn't a common element to the morals of this world. We know what is inherently good and bad. However, to say we know the outcome of morals is "playing God". We don't know what God intends to do with the things of this world.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

so then are u prepared to argue that capital punishment isn't a justifiable consequence?

Why would it be?

 

[The GMW]

Is it our place to say what God considers to be "evil"? This is where we need to be more careful. It is not to say that there isn't a common element to the morals of this world. We know what is inherently good and bad. However, to say we know the outcome of morals is "playing God". We don't know what God intends to do with the things of this world.

Right, so if we don't know God's ultimate intentions when he allows someone to be murdered, who are we to condemn the murderer? How can anything be inherently bad if any given "bad" thing is actually part of an overarching "good" design, conceived by a perfect creator?

 

[Tha-Realist]

I've never understood how if everything is a "work of God", why does so much bad shit happen to good people/good shit happen to bad people. If god is real he/she/it doesn't seem like tha great being that's portrayed by most. If I was a believer I'd rather say "Shit Happens" than say "God has a plan" with all this crazy shit happening in tha world. They just make "God" look bad when they credit everything good and especially everything bad to him/her/it.

 

[Mr. 66Hundred]

What's the point of capital punishment???

Serious question....

 

[alissowack]

Right, so if we don't know God's ultimate intentions when he allows someone to be murdered, who are we to condemn the murderer? How can anything be inherently bad if any given "bad" thing is actually part of an overarching "good" design, conceived by a perfect creator?

You are wanting man to disregard what morals are in saying it's God's Plan. Murder is still wrong for man to do. It's a certain respect we should have for that. Let me turn it around. Would it be considered "good" if man gave to the poor? Would be fair for someone, who is helping the sick, to say they are doing God's Will? Who is to say that in helping someone that we are ultimately hurting them? We don't know.

 

[John Prewett]

...how can anything be "evil"? When people suffer or die because of an action that people consider to be evil (like a suicide bombing or a shooting spree), theists will say that although they don't understand why God let it happen, it is all part of God's plan. If that's the case, can the actions of the suicide bomber or shooter be rightly considered evil? After all, they were only acting in accordance with God's plan, correct? How can morality exist if every single thing that human beings do is a part of God's perfect, master plan?

Following will probably not satisfy you,... [will do for a starter]

but nearly 2000 years ago, Paul addressed the issue you raise.

"For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP,

TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED

THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH."

So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.

You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?"

On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God?

The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it?

Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump

one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?

What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known,

endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?

Romans 9:17-22

"How terrible it will be for the world because of the things that lead people to sin!

Things like that must come. But how terrible for those who cause them!" Matt 18:7

 

[The GMW]

You are wanting man to disregard what morals are in saying it's God's Plan. Murder is still wrong for man to do. It's a certain respect we should have for that. Let me turn it around. Would it be considered "good" if man gave to the poor? Would be fair for someone, who is helping the sick, to say they are doing God's Will? Who is to say that in helping someone that we are ultimately hurting them? We don't know.

How is murder wrong for a man to do, if from the beginning of time God planned on that man murdering his victim? If God is the ultimate good, how could any part of his plan be defined as evil? As far as whether or not giving the poor, healing the sick etc. could be considered good, what I am saying is that if every action that takes place in the world is a part of an infinitely good god's plan, then every single one of those actions must be good. So yes, those things, along with murder, would have to be considered "good".

 

[The GMW]

Following will probably not satisfy you,... [will do for a starter]

but nearly 2000 years ago, Paul addressed the issue you raise.

"For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP,

TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED

THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH."

So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.

You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?"

On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God?

The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it?

Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump
one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?

What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known,

endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?
Romans 9:17-22

"How terrible it will be for the world because of the things that lead people to sin!
Things like that must come. But how terrible for those who cause them!" Matt 18:7

Not sure this relates to the issue I'm raising. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the text you quote seems to address the issues of "why does God let bad things happen" or "why does God create evil." My question here is, how can any action be defined as or referred to as evil if it is part of an infinitely good god's plan? If you believe that God is a being who has infinite goodness and is by nature incapable of evil, and you believe that every murder, rape etc. that occurs in the world was premeditated and planned by him, how can those actions be called evil?

 

[blackrain]

Show me in the scriptures (particularly the in the NT) where God gives place to committing acts like that of a suicide bomber, shooter or whatever other extreme you referring to?

the issue really is that some theists just don't take the time to carefully consider how they should answer others in regards to the faith, and they just blurt out whatever comes in mind that might sound good. That don't mean that's what God's word teaches though.

this here is the issue w/ alot of things withing organized religion

 

[Hyde Parke]

Why cant evil be a part of/ included in God's plan?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Why cant evil be a part of/ included in God's plan?

Because the general consensus among the religious is that the devil is responsible for all evil because a God would never know no such thing and it says that in the Bible and Quran.

 

[Hyde Parke]

Because the general consensus among the religious is that the devil is responsible for all evil because a God would never know no such thing and it says that in the Bible and Quran.

lol, i thought he (god) specifically says he created/made evil.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

lol, i thought he (god) specifically says he created/made evil.

No, he created man which in turn spawned angels which in turn caused a few to fall out from God which then is where evil came from.... them not it

But being realistic if a God like being does exist yes he would have had to create both for it to exist