Questions and Statements about God...

[alissowack]

Other scientist. This is a good example of chaos theory also. Enough tug of war with ideas will lead to the truth of things. Sometimes it takes decades and other time centuries. Look how long the Vatican ruled. it's usually and external force that keeps science from working as it should. People don't like you digging for facts. Scientist can attempt to use their position to become zealots but their cause would be fairly futile because science moves to fast (as fast as humans are able to ponder a new theory which is daily) to allow for worship of an single ideal. This isn't to say that people haven't followed false doctrine passed off as science. The religious are guilty of doing that often. But you will never not here a challenge to those claims unless we live in a dictatorship.

Those other scientists are people, too. They are also prone to biases as well. The issue isn't whether a method is wrong or right. It's whether is person will do what is right in the name of science. Do you believe these people will do what's right?

 

[Jabu_Rule]

The Uncertainty of Science

Unless every scientist up and died, no scientist can get away with feeding us bullshit. At least not after years of research disproves them. The damage may be done by then but it still proves that scientist will not settle for less. And the damage can be rectified and repaired. The turnover rate for corrections is pretty much non existent with religion. There's usually a bloody war and more sects are formed. Like a virus. There is always a danger that a scientist can go too far and create a virus to kill us all. Ah well. Choke it up to human stupidity.


Is science a religion?

It doesn't hold up to religious standards of blind faith.

 

[alissowack]

Anything can be abused or made out to be an excuse to kill somebody. That's not a trait exclusive to science.

Oh, I'm not saying it is. My post is even saying it's not science's fault. I'm saying that man can abuse science. At the center of it all, it is man that must answer for science...and for everything else.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

Those other scientists are people, too. They are also prone to biases as well. The issue isn't whether a method is wrong or right. It's whether is person will do what is right in the name of science. Do you believe these people will do what's right?

I don't believe in anything but what do you want me to do about it? Some will do right, some will do wrong. Most will do right and i haven't seen a made scientist like they have on TV unless they were working for the government which is a mad government Or the highest bidder. But i think that i already admitted that what man does with the data of science is what makes for a bad situation in earlier post.. It still doesn't work for you "Science is God headline"

Those other scientists are people, too. They are also prone to biases as well. The issue isn't whether a method is wrong or right. It's whether is person will do what is right in the name of science. Do you believe these people will do what's right?

I don't believe in anything but what do you want me to do about it? Some will do right, some will do wrong. Most will do right and i haven't seen a made scientist like they have on TV unless they were working for the government which is a mad government Or the highest bidder. But i think that i already admitted that what man does with the data of science is what makes for a bad situation in earlier post.. It still doesn't work for you "Science is God headline"

I'm wondering though, what's the point of this discussion? That man sucks when they use science for wrong and religion should be given a fair shot because it does good? One offers facts and the other fiction. One has been used to do bad while the other has perpetuated wrong doing within it's very text.

 

[fiat_money]

Oh, I'm not saying it is. My post is even saying it's not science's fault. I'm saying that man can abuse science. At the center of it all, it is man that must answer for science...and for everything else.

Then what significance/relevance does the abusability of everything have here?

 

[alissowack]

to correctly and fully insert my opinion on this topic

i would first like to understand what YOU think GOD is

because if you think GOD is simply "the creator"

then i would have to ask you who created science

you would probably say

"man created science"

then i would say who created man

then you would answer that question

Well, I would say that...I have this Bible here. It says, among other characteristics and attributes, that He is Creator. What does this all mean in and of itself? Not a whole lot...unless there is a reason for why He creates. The Bible says that God does things for our good and His Glory. What is His Glory? I don't know. But, it must be for my good.

 

[alissowack]

I don't believe in anything but what do you want me to do about it? Some will do right, some will do wrong. Most will do right and i haven't seen a made scientist like they have on TV unless they were working for the government which is a mad government Or the highest bidder. But i think that i already admitted that what man does with the data of science is what makes for a bad situation in earlier post.. It still doesn't work for you "Science is God headline"

I don't believe in anything but what do you want me to do about it? Some will do right, some will do wrong. Most will do right and i haven't seen a made scientist like they have on TV unless they were working for the government which is a mad government Or the highest bidder. But i think that i already admitted that what man does with the data of science is what makes for a bad situation in earlier post.. It still doesn't work for you "Science is God headline"

I'm wondering though, what's the point of this discussion? That man sucks when they use science for wrong and religion should be given a fair shot because it does good? One offers facts and the other fiction. One has been used to do bad while the other has perpetuated wrong doing within it's very text.

Oh, but the same can be said about religion...so much that you probably see the ridiculousness of it. The people in religion maybe wrong (why not...they are wrong). But is religion the reason why people are wrong? Is it religion's fault?

 

[alissowack]

Then what significance/relevance does the abusability of everything have here?

That apart from the definition, science can be...anything man believes it to be and it can influence whether someone does what is good or what is bad in the name of science. The same can be said about religion.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

Oh, but the same can be said about religion...so much that you probably see the ridiculousness of it. The people in religion maybe wrong (why not...they are wrong). But is religion the reason why people are wrong? Is it religion's fault?

Yes. by it's very nature. It does not offer evidence. People don't go around toting science as a banner to take over countries. They may use inventions based off of scientific discoveries, but the bible and other books which religion is based off of (religion requires a doctrine or idol to worship) offer no proof but dictate how you should live. Governments dictate. Science offers evidence and others use the actual provable evidence to show to give you a choice to actually live better. Religion may offer solitude but you don't need religion to gain that.

Here, i'll post this again in case you missed it in my last post.

Richard Dawkins - Is science a religion?

 

[fiat_money]

That apart from the definition, science can be...anything man believes it to be and it can influence whether someone does what is good or what is bad in the name of science. The same can be said about religion.

The same can be said for "entertainment", "education", "ignorance", "love", "anger", "desire", "loyalty", etc.

And apart from the definition, any word can be anything man believes it to be. Without the definitions, they're all just words; arranged sets of phonetic characters.

Both traits are hardly exclusive as well.

 

[Offshore Prezi]

Without Science and Math you have nothing!! Math is the tool and science is the procedure. God created all things and to man it has seemed like "poof" and "viola" for a long time. With math we can measure anything and science shows you how to do it. Man chooses to make themselves out to be equal to God but he is the Master.. He is the one that created the math and the science that we are just now discovering. You cannot make science a religion because it would have no basis as science itself needs creator.

Offshore Prezi™

 

[John Prewett]

Without Science and Math you have nothing!! Math is the tool and science is the procedure. God created all things and to man it has seemed like "poof" and "viola" for a long time.

With math we can measure anything and science shows you how to do it.

Man chooses to make themselves out to be equal to God but he is the Master.. He is the one that created the math and the science that we are just now discovering. You cannot make science a religion because it would have no basis as science itself needs creator.

Offshore Prezi™

Believe love exist ? Can scientist/anyone measure love with math ?

 

[Jabu_Rule]

Believe love exist ? Can scientist/anyone measure love with math ?

Love is a chemical reaction. Science can indeed measure the level of ones attraction to stimulus.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

Without Science and Math you have nothing!! Math is the tool and science is the procedure. God created all things and to man it has seemed like "poof" and "viola" for a long time. With math we can measure anything and science shows you how to do it. Man chooses to make themselves out to be equal to God but he is the Master.. He is the one that created the math and the science that we are just now discovering. You cannot make science a religion because it would have no basis as science itself needs creator.

Offshore Prezi™

You have no proof of the existence of God other then a book and human imagination with no evidence. You can theorize the existence of god but you can do the opposite also to a greater effect with supportive evidence which is what science uses unlike religion. Humans not only tried to be gods, they created the very concept. Science is more of a natural process of observation just like we use in everyday life to survive. We observe and analyze our surroundings everyday and gather evidence in our brains. We use this evidence to analyze and compare and make a statistical choice of what our next move will be based on our last move and the external factors.

Every human does this. Humans only put a name to it and agreed on the process involved. It's a method based off of our very own inquisitive nature via the brain. Even math started off with us being able to recognize two objects as opposed to one and measure distance intuitively. We put form to a method that evolved with us. Other animals do this to some extent. We are aware enough to put it to greater use. Also the very nature of man is to be on top which is why humans compete. It allows us to adapt and create stronger, more resilient offspring that can survive and adapt to our surroundings.

If you look at the foundation of science, it is a tool used for survival. If we did not understand our surroundings, we would be pretty much fucked.

Here are some links to explain some of my theories. These are backed up by scientific study that provides evidence. But no study is complete.

Modern Humans created from population density

A creator not needed to to create the universe

What is gravity?

Chaos

Chaos Theory

How order comes from Chaos

 

[The GMW]

...how can anything be "evil"? When people suffer or die because of an action that people consider to be evil (like a suicide bombing or a shooting spree), theists will say that although they don't understand why God let it happen, it is all part of God's plan. If that's the case, can the actions of the suicide bomber or shooter be rightly considered evil? After all, they were only acting in accordance with God's plan, correct? How can morality exist if every single thing that human beings do is a part of God's perfect, master plan?

 

[bankrupt baller]

...so at night when i talk to him,i have a gun in my hand.

 

[Rock_Well]

...how can anything be "evil"? When people suffer or die because of an action that people consider to be evil (like a suicide bombing or a shooting spree), theists will say that although they don't understand why God let it happen, it is all part of God's plan. If that's the case, can the actions of the suicide bomber or shooter be rightly considered evil? After all, they were only acting in accordance with God's plan, correct? How can morality exist if every single thing that human beings do is a part of God's perfect, master plan?

Show me in the scriptures (particularly the in the NT) where God gives place to committing acts like that of a suicide bomber, shooter or whatever other extreme you referring to?

the issue really is that some theists just don't take the time to carefully consider how they should answer others in regards to the faith, and they just blurt out whatever comes in mind that might sound good. That don't mean that's what God's word teaches though.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Yeah killing is okay when it's god doing* it, thou shalt not kill(do as I say not as I do)

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Yeah killing is okay when it's god do it, thou shalt not kill(do as I say not as I do)

Hey! God is human he seems just like those guys that ride around in cars with flashy lights on top!

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Hey! God is human he seems just like those guys that right around in cars with flashy lights on top!

More like wrong around in cars with flashy lights on top