Questions and Statements about God...

[BiblicalAtheist]

Word, I was going to ask how stars were the source of hydrogen. But doesn't fission separate atoms? Hydrogen and helium don't have many spare electrons. So how could breaking them apart create heavy/heavier atoms?

SMH @ Me missing the above post.

Yeah I can be a real tard sometimes lol

It's not so much the electrons as the protons.

 

[VIBE]

Black hole = God?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Black hole = God?

Is that like the anus of the universe?

 

[VIBE]

Is that like the anus of the universe?

I guess so. Could very well be, who knows. Depends on how you look at it.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

All of the elements we are made of came from the stars through nuclear fission.

It still is this way. We live our entire lives out through the confines of our mind, everything is what it is because we made it that way. "All things are but inherent phenomena of the mind. Apart from the mind nothing exists, not even the minutest particle."

Imo, everything that god is, which is everything and nothing.

That's not fully the case. The sun and everything else was created from other suns so our sun was created from the stardust of dead suns along with our planets. The sun didn't birth all of the elements but many of them. Not all stars produce the same elements. It depends on the size and strength of the star.

Some elements like plutonium was created by man.

How can yo explain activity that existed before us and before our solar system that are measurable if we perceived everything? I never get that idea. Ideas like that border on religious speak that gives man undue praise. Please provide evidence for this assertion. A cat is able to navigate the world just the same while looking at it through different eyes (night vision).

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

That's not fully the case. The sun and everything else was created from other suns so our sun was created from the stardust of dead suns along with our planets. The sun didn't birth all of the elements but many of them. Not all stars produce the same elements. It depends on the size and strength of the star.

Some elements like plutonium was created by man.

How can yo explain activity that existed before us and before our solar system that are measurable if we perceived everything? I never get that idea. Ideas like that border on religious speak that gives man undue praise. Please provide evidence for this assertion. A cat is able to navigate the world just the same while looking at it through different eyes (night vision).

I didn't say the sun birthed all the elements.

Yes, some elements were made by man, through nuclear fusion.

Nothing exists until humans find it. Unicorns don't exist as of yet, because we haven't found one. Contemplate it for a while.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

Nothing exists until humans find it. Unicorns don't exist as of yet, because we haven't found one. Contemplate it for a while.

When you put it that way, I get your concept. I guess your saying; if we didn't exist, then the universe would be but we wouldn't know the difference because we aren't here to see it. It's like if your locked in a room all of your life, what other proof is there (or do you even have this concept) that anything else exist but you. But i guess nothing else would matter at the point and you would die because you didn't nourish your self on energy of things that do exist as all life seems to require.

I can feel you on that. This is why i think death is a finality at least in terms of the conscientiousness that we developed do to evolution. We lose the faculties to perceive the world as we are. This is why the fight for life and relevance is so innate. Chaos is the anti universe and life is the culmination of purpose for a universe that had none.

 

[Hyde Parke]

no one knows

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I guess your saying; if we didn't exist, then the universe would be but we wouldn't know the difference because we aren't here to see it.

I don't think we can even go that far. The way I see it, the universe only exists because there is a mind to perceive it. Sure if I die, the universe would still 'exist' because there are other minds perceiving it, but if there were no mind to be found, the universe wouldn't exist because humans through their mind give existence to things.

 

[Chike]

God = How to explain anything you are too uneducated or uninformed to understand.

lol pretty much. It's how to simplify the works of the universe.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

I don't think we can even go that far. The way I see it, the universe only exists because there is a mind to perceive it. Sure if I die, the universe would still 'exist' because there are other minds perceiving it, but if there were no mind to be found, the universe wouldn't exist because humans through their mind give existence to things.

I can't agree with that. We didn't give shape or form nor color to these things. None of us have the power to tell someone else what they're seeing but we can all agree that it's similar even if we give it a different names. With no one here the sun will still shine with the colors of the rainbow and the wind will still blow without hair to blow through. We didn't create it we only perceive it are are made of it.or

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I can't agree with that. We didn't give anything shape form and color to these things. None of us have the power to tell someone else what their seeing but we can all agree that it's similar even if we give it a different name. With no one here the sun will still shine with the colors of the rainbow and the wind will still blow without hair to blow through. We didn't create it we only perceive it are are made of it.

No no no, even physics says we only see the universe the way we do because of the way we are designed. There are limitations to the physical. However if we remove the limitations, the universe(and everything else) suddenly disappears.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

No no no, even physics says we only see the universe the way we do because of the way we are designed. There are limitations to the physical. However if we remove the limitations, the universe(and everything else) suddenly disappears.

But solids are still solids. We don't have to see to feel. Things collide in space. Physics says that there are sub particles but that isn't because of our doing. Your telling me that galaxies have collided because we created that event?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

But solids are still solids. We don't have to see to feel. What do you say to that. Things collide in space. Physics says that there are sub particles but that isn't because of our doing. Your telling me that galaxies have collided because we created that event?

If you sucked out every bit of space in every atom of your body, you'd be smaller than a grain of salt. We are made up of more space than solid. I'm saying we create our entire reality, without the mind, that reality does not exist. I strongly recommend contemplating this for some time, its quite enlightening.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

If you sucked out every bit of space in every atom of your body, you'd be smaller than a grain of salt. We are made up of more space than solid. I'm saying we create our entire reality, without the mind, that reality does not exist. I strongly recommend contemplating this for some time, its quite enlightening.

If isn't is. We are inflated and we are here. Turning us into a grain of salt still does not give us power over the universe. We only became conscious with mind after centuries of evolution. Before that it was all reaction and for the most part it still is reaction with awareness. We as single cell organisms existed within the universe before we were aware. How we came to be is still up for debate. Air is still an element that is in existence that is part of our makeup. We did not create air nor did we know what it was before we used it to breath. What your telling me is all theory but if you give me some links then maybe i can get what your saying a bit more.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

4 1/2 hrs later and my post still isn't okay'd? OMGWTF

Anyway, Furious One, there are many physics and quantum physics textbooks and websites that can give you a better understanding than I can.

 

[fiat_money]

When mixing solipsism and physics goes wrong.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

When mixing solipsism and physics goes wrong.

But who can find the mind?

 

[fiat_money]

But who can find the mind?

The "mind" is a noumenon produced by the brain.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

The "mind" is a noumenon produced by the brain.

So the thing we call and believe to be the mind can be found in the brain? I don't understand this, because then wouldn't the mind be restricted to the brain? Like my brain can be here, but my mind off in another country.