Please don't ban people when a warning is what they deserve.

[Stew]

All it takes is a simple vote.

 

[Soloman_The_Wise]

I do not get why kats are so against admin making the decisions for the site and bound and determined to make things more complicated tehn they need to be your lack of confidence in greg and jay shows with every vote request, again let those kats decide who permanently gets banned and we can use the warning system for temp bans which also should need no vote. The agendas of some and the alliances are showing brightly in this thread I do not need the cosigns as Solo-Man I speak the truth regardless of anyone backing it or liking it...

 

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[Dupac]

superiority complex.....

dude feel no one is worthy of questioning his judgement or his authority other than Jay himself...

so basically if for any reason jay comes in and agrees with the proposal of having 5 votes on the ban.... he gonna be looking goofy as shit for doing all that fussing about nothing....

when it already looks like myself, Jamaica, icecoldstew, sion, and thulsa are all for the voting system....

 

[Soloman_The_Wise]

I do not get why kats are so against admin making the decisions for the site and bound and determined to make things more complicated tehn they need to be your lack of confidence in greg and jay shows with every vote request, again let those kats decide who permanently gets banned and we can use the warning system for temp bans which also should need no vote. The agendas of some and the alliances are showing brightly in this thread I do not need the cosigns as Solo-Man I speak the truth regardless of anyone backing it or liking it...

Thing is, Jay can't monitor all the posters that we come across, that' why. Not to mention, all those posters are gonna nag him about being banned and unbanned. We've gone over this before. It takes a lot of weight off Jay's shoulders if we can just vote on certain matters and he can unban them. Some posters are good folks caught between crosshairs, others are terrible, some situations are more exclusive than others. We can't assume that Jay knows how certain posters behave, how the issue started and whether or not some things are warranted. As mods we're suppose to work together - as you can attest, in recent events the shit that popped off was partly because of controversial bans/unbans. It's easier if we can come together as a team and overlook the situation and make a decision. We're not saying it has to be the case with EVERY poster but in some cases I think it would do away with a lot of mistakes and make things easier, otherwise just use the warnings system until a situation like that surfaces again.

I just don't understand why a voting system is a big deal, it wouldn't hurt to try it fam *shrugs*.

@sion.

Again though that is the reason the warning system was put in place all permanent banning should rest in the hands of admin as it did for a long while, We should not have to vote on temp ban's due to warnings. IT comes down to Mods and their alliances in a vote system so politics takes precedence over the actual rules, thus a popularity contest you should already be able to see thats happening just by the reactions and posts in threads like this. Admin does not need to be omnipresent just be given a name via PM and post in the Ban thread so they can review if need be. The majority of poster issues thanks to new system do not even need to be addressed by admin because they do not require anything more then a warning based ban in the extreme.

This shit is really cut and dry yet my words because I am saying it are being spun, twisted and or ignored by kats. I get it I see the circle jerks going on I am calling it what it is I have said the same shit consistantly and how that will make abuse more rampant let @thatdamnjay or greg decide if they want Mods to vote on it before enforcing the rules they set for the site and see how productive shit becomes if everything requires a vote before taking action. Next we will have posters forming lobbyist groups for their Mods that follow the same politics(actually that has already happened) and Mods will continue to play politics to get and keep e-buddies happy(as is also already happening) rather then be Moderators...

 

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[Dupac]

lol @ running this popularity contest schtick into the ground...

look here man..there's no popularity contest, trust me.... never has been, never will be...... i can careless on who gets banned...to me it's all about why they're getting banned

stop reaching....

 

[Soloman_The_Wise]

I do not get why kats are so against admin making the decisions for the site and bound and determined to make things more complicated tehn they need to be your lack of confidence in greg and jay shows with every vote request, again let those kats decide who permanently gets banned and we can use the warning system for temp bans which also should need no vote. The agendas of some and the alliances are showing brightly in this thread I do not need the cosigns as Solo-Man I speak the truth regardless of anyone backing it or liking it...

Thing is, Jay can't monitor all the posters that we come across, that' why. Not to mention, all those posters are gonna nag him about being banned and unbanned. We've gone over this before. It takes a lot of weight off Jay's shoulders if we can just vote on certain matters and he can unban them. Some posters are good folks caught between crosshairs, others are terrible, some situations are more exclusive than others. We can't assume that Jay knows how certain posters behave, how the issue started and whether or not some things are warranted. As mods we're suppose to work together - as you can attest, in recent events the shit that popped off was partly because of controversial bans/unbans. It's easier if we can come together as a team and overlook the situation and make a decision. We're not saying it has to be the case with EVERY poster but in some cases I think it would do away with a lot of mistakes and make things easier, otherwise just use the warnings system until a situation like that surfaces again.

I just don't understand why a voting system is a big deal, it wouldn't hurt to try it fam *shrugs*.

@sion.

Again though that is the reason the warning system was put in place all permanent banning should rest in the hands of admin as it did for a long while, We should not have to vote on temp ban's due to warnings. IT comes down to Mods and their alliances in a vote system so politics takes precedence over the actual rules, thus a popularity contest you should already be able to see thats happening just by the reactions and posts in threads like this. Admin does not need to be omnipresent just be given a name via PM and post in the Ban thread so they can review if need be. The majority of poster issues thanks to new system do not even need to be addressed by admin because they do not require anything more then a warning based ban in the extreme.

This shit is really cut and dry yet my words because I am saying it are being spun, twisted and or ignored by kats. I get it I see the circle jerks going on I am calling it what it is I have said the same shit consistantly and how that will make abuse more rampant let @thatdamnjay or greg decide if they want Mods to vote on it before enforcing the rules they set for the site and see how productive shit becomes if everything requires a vote before taking action. Next we will have posters forming lobbyist groups for their Mods that follow the same politics(actually that has already happened) and Mods will continue to play politics to get and keep e-buddies happy(as is also already happening) rather then be Moderators...

I like the propaganda game to distract from the issues and points I made well done and it is amazing how groupies got all these screen shots of me I have such a devoted fan Club Thulsa nice to know you are a part of it, but the cyberstalking has been happening to me for years so while it is sad I am not surprised in the least who has what although it is still sad and pathetic...

 

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[Soloman_The_Wise]

I do not get why kats are so against admin making the decisions for the site and bound and determined to make things more complicated tehn they need to be your lack of confidence in greg and jay shows with every vote request, again let those kats decide who permanently gets banned and we can use the warning system for temp bans which also should need no vote. The agendas of some and the alliances are showing brightly in this thread I do not need the cosigns as Solo-Man I speak the truth regardless of anyone backing it or liking it...

Thing is, Jay can't monitor all the posters that we come across, that' why. Not to mention, all those posters are gonna nag him about being banned and unbanned. We've gone over this before. It takes a lot of weight off Jay's shoulders if we can just vote on certain matters and he can unban them. Some posters are good folks caught between crosshairs, others are terrible, some situations are more exclusive than others. We can't assume that Jay knows how certain posters behave, how the issue started and whether or not some things are warranted. As mods we're suppose to work together - as you can attest, in recent events the shit that popped off was partly because of controversial bans/unbans. It's easier if we can come together as a team and overlook the situation and make a decision. We're not saying it has to be the case with EVERY poster but in some cases I think it would do away with a lot of mistakes and make things easier, otherwise just use the warnings system until a situation like that surfaces again.

I just don't understand why a voting system is a big deal, it wouldn't hurt to try it fam *shrugs*.

@sion.

Again though that is the reason the warning system was put in place all permanent banning should rest in the hands of admin as it did for a long while, We should not have to vote on temp ban's due to warnings. IT comes down to Mods and their alliances in a vote system so politics takes precedence over the actual rules, thus a popularity contest you should already be able to see thats happening just by the reactions and posts in threads like this. Admin does not need to be omnipresent just be given a name via PM and post in the Ban thread so they can review if need be. The majority of poster issues thanks to new system do not even need to be addressed by admin because they do not require anything more then a warning based ban in the extreme.

This shit is really cut and dry yet my words because I am saying it are being spun, twisted and or ignored by kats. I get it I see the circle jerks going on I am calling it what it is I have said the same shit consistantly and how that will make abuse more rampant let @thatdamnjay or greg decide if they want Mods to vote on it before enforcing the rules they set for the site and see how productive shit becomes if everything requires a vote before taking action. Next we will have posters forming lobbyist groups for their Mods that follow the same politics(actually that has already happened) and Mods will continue to play politics to get and keep e-buddies happy(as is also already happening) rather then be Moderators...

I like the propaganda game to distract from the issues and points I made well done and it is amazing how groupies got all these screen shots of me I have such a devoted fan Club Thulsa nice to know you are a part of it, but the cyberstalking has been happening to me for years so while it is sad I am not surprised in the least who has what although it is still sad and pathetic...

Proof is in the pudding and anyone can see it a lot of kats are remaining silent watching right now I have said my piece though to combat you kats rhetoric so have at it keep sidebarring it offtopic and spin away...

 

[Dupac]

anyone can see, yet no one agrees with you?

 

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[Soloman_The_Wise]

I do not get why kats are so against admin making the decisions for the site and bound and determined to make things more complicated tehn they need to be your lack of confidence in greg and jay shows with every vote request, again let those kats decide who permanently gets banned and we can use the warning system for temp bans which also should need no vote. The agendas of some and the alliances are showing brightly in this thread I do not need the cosigns as Solo-Man I speak the truth regardless of anyone backing it or liking it...

Thing is, Jay can't monitor all the posters that we come across, that' why. Not to mention, all those posters are gonna nag him about being banned and unbanned. We've gone over this before. It takes a lot of weight off Jay's shoulders if we can just vote on certain matters and he can unban them. Some posters are good folks caught between crosshairs, others are terrible, some situations are more exclusive than others. We can't assume that Jay knows how certain posters behave, how the issue started and whether or not some things are warranted. As mods we're suppose to work together - as you can attest, in recent events the shit that popped off was partly because of controversial bans/unbans. It's easier if we can come together as a team and overlook the situation and make a decision. We're not saying it has to be the case with EVERY poster but in some cases I think it would do away with a lot of mistakes and make things easier, otherwise just use the warnings system until a situation like that surfaces again.

I just don't understand why a voting system is a big deal, it wouldn't hurt to try it fam *shrugs*.

@sion.

Again though that is the reason the warning system was put in place all permanent banning should rest in the hands of admin as it did for a long while, We should not have to vote on temp ban's due to warnings. IT comes down to Mods and their alliances in a vote system so politics takes precedence over the actual rules, thus a popularity contest you should already be able to see thats happening just by the reactions and posts in threads like this. Admin does not need to be omnipresent just be given a name via PM and post in the Ban thread so they can review if need be. The majority of poster issues thanks to new system do not even need to be addressed by admin because they do not require anything more then a warning based ban in the extreme.

This shit is really cut and dry yet my words because I am saying it are being spun, twisted and or ignored by kats. I get it I see the circle jerks going on I am calling it what it is I have said the same shit consistantly and how that will make abuse more rampant let @thatdamnjay or greg decide if they want Mods to vote on it before enforcing the rules they set for the site and see how productive shit becomes if everything requires a vote before taking action. Next we will have posters forming lobbyist groups for their Mods that follow the same politics(actually that has already happened) and Mods will continue to play politics to get and keep e-buddies happy(as is also already happening) rather then be Moderators...

Nah fam he's not saying to vote on every little thing before enforcing it, or on temporary bans due to warnings. With warnings there's different levels so it may not even get to a ban. I think the aim is to vote on major situations that might require all the mods to review so we can avoid what happened in recent events from happening again. I don't think ALL the mods will agree with it but that's ok. Some of us can still try it and see how it works out. If it doesn't oh well, we tried. If you disagree that's cool too, there's nothing wrong with that.

my only point of contention is that given the new system the only time a perm ban should be done now is based on what admins say plain and simple there should not be enough cases outside of spammers where a ban is required outside of the warning system to merit a need for voting. If we start needing to vote on bans then the argument will be made we should be voting before warnings that can result in temp bans again a bunch of extra shit for no reason. They put illbot and this warning system in to make it less work for us mods not more, kats are trying to negate that with these ideas which I have already broken down many reason why they are counterproductive...

 

[Dupac]

lmao... terrible logic....

and self exposure at it's best....voting on banning leads to voting on warnings?? seriously??

but i totally get what you're worried about....basically one threat to your authority leads to another threat to your authority... that's all you see right??

how dare we question your authority??? how dare we question your judgement??

how dare we...?!?!

you feel like you're losing power, and that's just unacceptable... because you're so much better than these posters , the last thing you need is to look weak in their eyes....

 

[MsSouthern]

we never used to have this much drama about banning before

smh

 

[Stew]

we never used to have this much drama about banning before

smh

Its only 2 big problems that Jay should handle. Thats all.

 

[Dupac]

we never used to have this much drama about banning before

smh

pretty much....

 

[_Jay_]

Smfh...

 

[Soloman_The_Wise]

I do not get why kats are so against admin making the decisions for the site and bound and determined to make things more complicated tehn they need to be your lack of confidence in greg and jay shows with every vote request, again let those kats decide who permanently gets banned and we can use the warning system for temp bans which also should need no vote. The agendas of some and the alliances are showing brightly in this thread I do not need the cosigns as Solo-Man I speak the truth regardless of anyone backing it or liking it...

Thing is, Jay can't monitor all the posters that we come across, that' why. Not to mention, all those posters are gonna nag him about being banned and unbanned. We've gone over this before. It takes a lot of weight off Jay's shoulders if we can just vote on certain matters and he can unban them. Some posters are good folks caught between crosshairs, others are terrible, some situations are more exclusive than others. We can't assume that Jay knows how certain posters behave, how the issue started and whether or not some things are warranted. As mods we're suppose to work together - as you can attest, in recent events the shit that popped off was partly because of controversial bans/unbans. It's easier if we can come together as a team and overlook the situation and make a decision. We're not saying it has to be the case with EVERY poster but in some cases I think it would do away with a lot of mistakes and make things easier, otherwise just use the warnings system until a situation like that surfaces again.

I just don't understand why a voting system is a big deal, it wouldn't hurt to try it fam *shrugs*.

@sion.

Again though that is the reason the warning system was put in place all permanent banning should rest in the hands of admin as it did for a long while, We should not have to vote on temp ban's due to warnings. IT comes down to Mods and their alliances in a vote system so politics takes precedence over the actual rules, thus a popularity contest you should already be able to see thats happening just by the reactions and posts in threads like this. Admin does not need to be omnipresent just be given a name via PM and post in the Ban thread so they can review if need be. The majority of poster issues thanks to new system do not even need to be addressed by admin because they do not require anything more then a warning based ban in the extreme.

This shit is really cut and dry yet my words because I am saying it are being spun, twisted and or ignored by kats. I get it I see the circle jerks going on I am calling it what it is I have said the same shit consistantly and how that will make abuse more rampant let @thatdamnjay or greg decide if they want Mods to vote on it before enforcing the rules they set for the site and see how productive shit becomes if everything requires a vote before taking action. Next we will have posters forming lobbyist groups for their Mods that follow the same politics(actually that has already happened) and Mods will continue to play politics to get and keep e-buddies happy(as is also already happening) rather then be Moderators...

Nah fam he's not saying to vote on every little thing before enforcing it, or on temporary bans due to warnings. With warnings there's different levels so it may not even get to a ban. I think the aim is to vote on major situations that might require all the mods to review so we can avoid what happened in recent events from happening again. I don't think ALL the mods will agree with it but that's ok. Some of us can still try it and see how it works out. If it doesn't oh well, we tried. If you disagree that's cool too, there's nothing wrong with that.

my only point of contention is that given the new system the only time a perm ban should be done now is based on what admins say plain and simple there should not be enough cases outside of spammers where a ban is required outside of the warning system to merit a need for voting. If we start needing to vote on bans then the argument will be made we should be voting before warnings that can result in temp bans again a bunch of extra shit for no reason. They put illbot and this warning system in to make it less work for us mods not more, kats are trying to negate that with these ideas which I have already broken down many reason why they are counterproductive...

We're not gonna vote on warnings tho - if another major situation occurs like what happened in Thulsa's thread last month, where you guys were fighting over some of those bans and all that non-sense, some of the mods can come together and vote on it - that's all.

We obviously can't monitor each other's moves 24/7 on every little detail & we're not gonna do that. Think of it as a "red button" its only pressed as a last resort when shit gets out of hand. It's just an idea/proposal. You don't have to agree w/ it if you dont want to, and there's nothing wrong w/ that.

@sion.

see fam I think this is being misunderstood there is no reason for us to ban now unless it meets strict criteria that admin has supplied(hopefully soon) so this vote talk is a moot point. Are we gonna vote on whether we should clap OTT or JG and their latest alias as that is the only scenerio outside of spammers where I can see a permanent banning being needed? The new warning system covers temp bans which in affect is all we were doing with real posters with those already mentioned exceptions.

So again why would a vote be needed if the criteria has changed for using the ban feature? Do you get what I am saying yet fam? Given what toddo posted in his intial post we should not be using the ban feature as we once did we should now only be using the warning system for banning as it lets things expire with out admin having to come back in and judge parole dates and shit. All that said what would we really be voting on???

 

[_Jay_]

Tired of all the overcomplicating that's goin on...there was never this much of an issue in the past, even while mods were allowed to ban...

This is looking more and more like personality conflicts...and the best way to deal with personality conflicts (besides time, which isn't working), is personnel changes...