Petition to Electoral College: Make Hillary President on 12/19 has 4.5 Million signatures

[riddlerap]

Trump won the popular vote in something like 32 states, Hillary won it in 18. think of it that way if it makes you feel better. he won more states.. of the United STATES of America.

 

[Stiff]

What are peoples' arguments against getting rid of the electoral college in favor of the popular vote? Not arguing here just genuinely curious to hear the reasoning.

And i think people were tired of 'business as usual' in politics which is why the candidate who was promising drastic change, no matter how terrible a lot of it sounds to half the country, ended up winning. Another reason why I'm assuming Bernie might've fared better in this election with a higher voter turnout in his favor.

But this election felt like the blatant racist vs the undercover pandering racist. Seems like only people who've won under Dems were gays, no other 'minority' groups.

To answer your question, the process of the electoral college is undemocratic. In a democracy people vote and the law/person with the higher vote wins. It is that simple.

The electoral process is a republican system designed for representatives to decide for us, even if it's unpopular. In a political climate like this one where politics as usual don't fly, the people want a purer and simpler process.

We can argue the downfalls or merits of a democracy vs. a republic, but either way it's nonsensical to have such a process used in a nation where the politicians refer to the method of governance as a democracy.

Thanks and while I understand your explanation what I dont understand is why someone would be against doing away with the electoral college. Not that I would agree or disagree, I just simply never heard an explanation in favor of the electoral college.

Its to insure that every has an equal vote that a few larger cites don't get to dominate and dictate the policy of this nation.

Here is the easiest example I can give. Just throw out numbers lets say NY has a population of 50 million. Of those 50 million 30 million live in highly urban populated areas, most likely share similar views while dealing with similar issues.

Then you have Idaho or Washington, which is lowely populated with a few million spread throughout the whole state.

You can easily see how problems would arise with whole states of this nation could be ignored. That would overall harm the democratic process.

Edit

To sum it up its to PREVENT the tyranny of the majority.

Not even close, but here's a clue, "large cities" didn't exist when the electoral college was started. States were still called colonies at the time.

If I'm not mistaken the formation of the electoral college had something to do with a compromise between non-slave holding northern states which were more populous and slave holding rural states which were more sparse..the slave holding states were worried that they would get bullied by northern states if it was simply a direct popular vote that determined the president

That's not it either. The answer is a lot more simpler and something I've argued about on here recently.

Aite riddler englighten us

 

[5th Letter]

The founding fathers did not trust the regular citizens to make the choice so they started the electoral college as a way for more "qualified" people to actually pick the next president.

 

[The_Jackal]

The founding fathers did not trust the regular citizens to make the choice so they started the electoral college as a way for more "qualified" people to actually pick the next president.

That's cool that you feel that way, especially since the revolution was started on the lie that British taxes were hurting Americans and not in fact lowering prices by cutting out the blackmarket, and that the revolution was backed by the wealthiest in society at first. It doesn't change the fact that what you are suggesting is just a theory and that there are documents that chronicle the formation of it.

Regardless though we are getting off topic. The Electoral College is superior to popular vote in every way possible. There is no way you could want a democracy in USA and think popular vote is the best measure to achieve that.

 

[Stiff]

The founding fathers did not trust the regular citizens to make the choice so they started the electoral college as a way for more "qualified" people to actually pick the next president.

The founding fathers didn't trust regular citizens to make the choice...but the electoral college ain't have anything to do with that..the founding fathers just explicitly made it where you had to be a white landowner (and in some states you had to have a LOT of land) to be eligible to vote

 

[VIBE]

regardless of anything, why would a dem want to be pres when everything is controlled by the republicans? they'll have it worse than Obama, if this happens, and not only that, these Trump supporters will take the streets.. if that happens, hell will break loose

 

[JokerzWyld]

In a democracy the majority rules. If that is not the case then their is no need for a national presidential election. We should just allow the House of Representatives to choose the president for us. They

 

[5th Letter]

In a democracy the majority rules. If that is not the case then their is no need for a national presidential election. We should just allow the House of Representatives to choose the president for us. They

But I was told on here that the popular vote means something?

 

[The_Jackal]

In a democracy the majority rules. If that is not the case then their is no need for a national presidential election. We should just allow the House of Representatives to choose the president for us. They

Right that's true. US is a representative democracy for that very simple reason. If we went by popular vote then you honestly might as well abolish the electoral process and tell the majority of Americans that simply because they live in a smaller state their problems and concerns don't matter.

 

[Stiff]

In a democracy the majority rules. If that is not the case then their is no need for a national presidential election. We should just allow the House of Representatives to choose the president for us. They

But I was told on here that the popular vote means something?

The popular vote of states is what won trump the election...

Be logical here. Hillary won the popular vote nationally right? If the election is determined by the electoral college and NOBODY'S vote matters except for theirs..and people going to cast their votes at the ballot boxes has nothing to do with the election, like you claim, then how come everybody is saying Trump won? The electoral college don't cast their votes until December (which is basically a symbolic ceremony).

 

[mc317]

Has to be a constitutional amendment to abolish electoral college

Congress and senate would have to approve

Fucking petition will do nothing

Tell loser pussy its over practice sucking dick or something

 

[5th Letter]

In a democracy the majority rules. If that is not the case then their is no need for a national presidential election. We should just allow the House of Representatives to choose the president for us. They

But I was told on here that the popular vote means something?

The popular vote of states is what won trump the election...

Be logical here. Hillary won the popular vote nationally right? If the election is determined by the electoral college and NOBODY'S vote matters except for theirs..and people going to cast their votes at the ballot boxes has nothing to do with the election, like you claim, then how come everybody is saying Trump won? The electoral college don't cast their votes until December (which is basically a symbolic ceremony).

Because Trump won the electoral college votes?

 

[Go figure]

regardless of anything, why would a dem want to be pres when everything is controlled by the republicans? they'll have it worse than Obama, if this happens, and not only that, these Trump supporters will take the streets.. if that happens, hell will break loose

True but in this unique case the Republicans dont like trump and didnt want to back him all the way up to his nomination so I assume he wont have free reign to just do as he pleases, but yes hes probably got it better than barack or if it was hillary

But I dont understand the point of bringing up trump supporters taking to the streets hypothetically when hillary supporters are doing so literally??

 

[deadeye]

fucc no

CS

Gotta respect the game.

That would set a horrible precedent and probably result in social unrest.

Plus, again, that goes both ways too.

Republicans could do the same thing if things didn't go their way.

Trump won fair and square.

Said this multiple times before, Hillary and Sanders are mostly to blame for Trump winning.

Sanders for backing down and not contesting the democratic primary and/or running on his own.........and Hillary for not choosing Sanders as her VP running mate to give her the best chance of getting the votes of a majority of his supporters.

 

[JokerzWyld]

"And to the REPUBLIC of which it stands..."

 

[NCswag]

In a democracy the majority rules. If that is not the case then their is no need for a national presidential election. We should just allow the House of Representatives to choose the president for us. They

Right that's true. US is a representative democracy for that very simple reason. If we went by popular vote then you honestly might as well abolish the electoral process and tell the majority of Americans that simply because they live in a smaller state their problems and concerns don't matter.

....but that's why you have local elections too.

 

[brown321]

This is some bullshit. Fuck Trump but the n***** won by the rules of the game.

 

[not_osirus_jenkins]

So it's a petition to impeach him early. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[mryounggun]

Niggas can't be this short-sighted. Y'all REALLY wanna set the precedent for this type of shit? A small group of white men saying 'Fuck who the people voted for! We want THIS person to be President!'? Na, I'll pass.

That's the definition of a slippery slope.

 

[deadeye]

Too many sat out in close key states and want a do over.

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