Pete Rock defends ole heads in music and explains why newer artist music don’t get no respect ...

[MrCrookedLetter]

So I guess according to Pete Rock, all yall old heads did was smoke weed huh?

Gtfoh. Like the Wu Tang wasn't smoking angel dust while having push up contests, Three 6 and UGK were sipping lean, like crack and coke wasn't being smoked by damn near a shit load of rappers in the 80s??

Come on man. Like 80s rappers weren't named after synthetic drugs themselves?

@old heads yall got nothing to say about this?

 

[KnowReasonForPeace]

So I guess according to Pete Rock, all yall old heads did was smoke weed huh?

Gtfoh. Like the Wu Tang wasn't smoking angel dust while having push up contests, Three 6 and UGK were sipping lean, like crack and coke wasn't being smoked by damn near a shit load of rappers in the 80s??

Come on man. Like 80s rappers weren't named after synthetic drugs themselves?

@old heads yall got nothing to say about this?

Talent and respect. These new niggas lack both. Nobody excusing the old niggas behavior or drug habits, but them niggas was talented.

 

[D.D.S.]

Honestly, we just turning into our parents. This new shit is wack to us bc it wasn’t made for our ears. Same thing like your parents that told you that hip hop wasn’t real music bc they were influenced by R&B.

 

[Revolver Ocelot]

So I guess according to Pete Rock, all yall old heads did was smoke weed huh?

Gtfoh. Like the Wu Tang wasn't smoking angel dust while having push up contests, Three 6 and UGK were sipping lean, like crack and coke wasn't being smoked by damn near a shit load of rappers in the 80s??

Come on man. Like 80s rappers weren't named after synthetic drugs themselves?

@old heads yall got nothing to say about this?

While smoking dust Wu made 36 and Forever.

While sipping lean Three 6 and UGK made When the Smoke Clears and Ridin Dirty.

While on crack and coke in the 80's we got Run-DMC, Raising Hell,King of Rock,Radio,Bigger and Deffer, Paid in Full,It Takes a Nation, and Licensed to Ill.

What these new niggas got?

 

[5 Grand]

First of all, Pete Rock isn't an OG. I can give a lil history of Pete Rock and his place in Hip Hop.

In the mid 80s there were two Black radio stations in New York, 98.7 WRKS and 107.5 WBLS. They both had Hip Hop shows on Friday and Saturday night. (There was also WBAU which was Adelphi University's radio station where Doctor Dre and Ed Lover had a show, The Bomb Squad also had a show on WBAU).

So anyway, there were two main radio stations in NYC, 98.7 had Chuck Chillout on Friday nights and Red Alert on Saturday nights.

107.5 had Mr Magic and Marley Marl on Friday nights. But during the bridge wars Mr Magic was talking a lot of trash over the air, and then KRS bodied Magic and Marley Marl with The Bridge is Over. Mr Magic lost his job and Pete Rock replaced him circa 1988.

In Control Radio Show 11/10/1988 - Pete Rock & Marley Marl


In Control Radio Show 8/12/1989- Pete Rock & Marley Marl


In Control Radio Show date unknown - Pete Rock & Marley Marl


Anyway, I say Pete Rock isn't an OG because he came into the scene in the late 80s. If Pete Rock is an OG, then what would you call somebody who was throwing park jams in the Bronx in the late 70s?

I've heard the phrase "uncle" to refer to people who have been around for a long time but aren't necessarily pioneers. For example, LL Cool J is an uncle, but he's not a pioneer. Snoop calls himself uncle. Luke calls himself uncle.

 

[natural born sinners]

That young vs old shit is wack. Let these young niggas rock.

They're living in 2 different times, and honestly, there are different motivations within the music.

They rapped because of the art, the new generation is motivated by the money more than the art. Everytime a nigga can't get a job, he starts rapping now.

There are true artists out there still, many at the top, or close to the top of the billboard charts. Big Sean is dope, Cole is dope, Krit is dope, I can go on and on...Kendrick, and many others. But the ones that get the finger pointed at em are the ones that treat the music like it's oil country, tryin to strike and get a hit.

Black hands are not the ones pressing the buttons as to who gets promoted, and radio play, and vevo channels and whatnot, so maybe Mr Rock should point his finger in a different direction.

If you're turning on lil yachty or chief keef or a nigga like that, and you're looking for substance, you should write a rant to yourself.

Big Krit just made a double album that held weight, Kendrick made an album that held weight. Lots of underground artists made albums that talked up on some real shit, but he chooses to chase one hit wonders off his lawn.

Not to mention, i'm in my mid 30s so I consider myself an OG at this point in my life, I be watchin some award shows like who the fuck is that... I'm washed. I would never use my position to talk about how fucked up a whole generation is, that's lazy, and some bitter shit, which comes with regrets, or jealousy. I try to wrap my arms around the ones who need guidance and will accept a couple gems. The ones who don't cool, don't. A lot of youngins want to just go their own way, and I'm not mad because I was young too, and I wanted to hold my nuts to show the old heads ahead of me that I could too.

Don't nobody owe pete rock shit. He had his time, he did his thing. They set a standard, but as time changes, so do standards, and motivations. They rappin to get out they situation, not to get 5 mics homie. You can still get traction with substance too. Use that engery to promote that which you think is dope and get off Waka Flocka's dick.

What this guy said. There is good music out there, I don't listen to alot of the bullshit out there anyways. Lock in on what I think is dope and move on. I don't even know who yachty n uzi vert are. I thought they were the same person for a while. Waka flacka said he gon smack pete rock though, that escalated quickly

 

[king hassan]

my question to Pete would be instead of talking shit why not embrace the young boy movement and you and them can both learn something. 90s rappers are really arrogant

You can say the same about these new niggas too

 

[konceptjones]

First of all, Pete Rock isn't an OG. I can give a lil history of Pete Rock and his place in Hip Hop.

In the mid 80s there were two Black radio stations in New York, 98.7 WRKS and 107.5 WBLS. They both had Hip Hop shows on Friday and Saturday night. (There was also WBAU which was Adelphi University's radio station where Doctor Dre and Ed Lover had a show, The Bomb Squad also had a show on WBAU).

So anyway, there were two main radio stations in NYC, 98.7 had Chuck Chillout on Friday nights and Red Alert on Saturday nights.

107.5 had Mr Magic and Marley Marl on Friday nights. But during the bridge wars Mr Magic was talking a lot of trash over the air, and then KRS bodied Magic and Marley Marl with The Bridge is Over. Mr Magic lost his job and Pete Rock replaced him circa 1988.

In Control Radio Show 11/10/1988 - Pete Rock & Marley Marl


In Control Radio Show 8/12/1989- Pete Rock & Marley Marl


In Control Radio Show date unknown - Pete Rock & Marley Marl


Anyway, I say Pete Rock isn't an OG because he came into the scene in the late 80s. If Pete Rock is an OG, then what would you call somebody who was throwing park jams in the Bronx in the late 70s?

I've heard the phrase "uncle" to refer to people who have been around for a long time but aren't necessarily pioneers. For example, LL Cool J is an uncle, but he's not a pioneer. Snoop calls himself uncle. Luke calls himself uncle.

As a producer, Pete Rock is a pioneer. Pete Rock mastered the remix long before Puffy made a name for doing it. On top of that, Pete Rock is one of the very few producers that could also hold a mic down. Back then you did one or the other, rap or produce; the only exception at the time was EPMD. Pete Rock started out with a name for remixes and he would always submit his remixes in two ways; one with just the original artist and one where he drops a verse on it. Not every remix with him on it was selected by the label but a decent number of them were released.

There are still very few producers that can touch a mic like Pete rock. DJ Quik and Chops are really the only two I can think of outside of EPMD. Pete is an OG as a producer.

 

[Revolver Ocelot]

[Anyway, I say Pete Rock isn't an OG because he came into the scene in the late 80s. If Pete Rock is an OG, then what would you call somebody who was throwing park jams in the Bronx in the late 70s?

I've heard the phrase "uncle" to refer to people who have been around for a long time but aren't necessarily pioneers. For example, LL Cool J is an uncle, but he's not a pioneer. Snoop calls himself uncle. Luke calls himself uncle.

 

[natural born sinners]

some of These new niggas on another wave, wearing skirts, super tight jeans and rocking pink purses and DON'T GIVE TWO FUCKS what anyone thinks about it. Is called attention seeking behavior and is working. Lil wayne fathered these dudes, I blame Wayne (Kanye shrug) oh yea, Kanye had a hand in this shit w the success of 808's. So we need to look at who these dudes were influenced by as well.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I hate this generation of music, but that wasn't really a good response by Pete. Let's not act like every Old School nigga is in the Rock and Roll HoF. And not every Old School nigga was kicking some deep shit.

These new niggas are wack because they are wack not because everybody in the past was so much better.

 

[$tayRichROLLIN]

my question to Pete would be instead of talking shit why not embrace the young boy movement and you and them can both learn something. 90s rappers are really arrogant

lol what the hell could pete rock possibly learn from the likes of lil yachty?

Yachty ain't the only young nigga. And I bet yachty paper is longer. So maybe he could learn to snatch up the endorsements

 

[$tayRichROLLIN]

my question to Pete would be instead of talking shit why not embrace the young boy movement and you and them can both learn something. 90s rappers are really arrogant

You can say the same about these new niggas too

These young niggas don't be bothering nobody!

 

[konceptjones]

my question to Pete would be instead of talking shit why not embrace the young boy movement and you and them can both learn something. 90s rappers are really arrogant

lol what the hell could pete rock possibly learn from the likes of lil yachty?

Yachty ain't the only young nigga. And I bet yachty paper is longer. So maybe he could learn to snatch up the endorsements

You don't think Akai, Technics, or a company like that hasn't approached Pete Rock yet? Pete Rock has music still in rotation; do you honestly think his ASCAP/BMI checks have dried up? Dude still tours as well and has a huge following outside of this country and you really think his money ain't right?

Nah b. Let's revisit this in 10 years and see what's up.

 

[SneakDZA]

my question to Pete would be instead of talking shit why not embrace the young boy movement and you and them can both learn something. 90s rappers are really arrogant

lol what the hell could pete rock possibly learn from the likes of lil yachty?

Yachty ain't the only young nigga. And I bet yachty paper is longer. So maybe he could learn to snatch up the endorsements

Wait you seriously think a kid signed to a 360 slave deal who has no idea who even owns his publishing has more dough than Pete Rock? The Pete Rock who has produced countless hits over decades?

I used Yachty as an example. I could have said at least 20 other names and the same shit applies.

“I don’t think I signed my publishing,” Yachty said in an interview for The Fader with Duncan Cooper. “I don’t know who my publishing is signed to. I really don’t. But this year I met with everybody. Every label. So I went to Rick Rubin’s house in Malibu. There’s no nothing there—there’s just work. I got to record. That’s where I met D.R.A.M., working on his own stuff. We recorded “Broccoli” in L.A It’s his song, but I’m glad to be a part of it.”

That's some scary shit to read. It's a like a rap horror story in the making.

 

[Lefty_]

Niggas want to talk integrity, the reason that everyone had artistic integrity back then is because the A&r said you had to be nice. YouTube is the A&r today, and guess what the people who pay for the music would rather you have a story then be nice on the mic in a lot of cases. Either that or do something different to set yourself apart, because everybody wants to be different and be in their own lane so that’s why a lot of these kids are doing.

From that era to now the fundamental question has changed from can you spit to are you real.

Like I said, let the little homies rock, they are navigating the landscape as best they can. And to keep it real they didn’t get out of control because they were born that way.

And I wouldn’t even say that they are out of control, I see a lot more kids in decent situations today then there were when I was young.

But for the sake of argument. If you want to see why a crop is dead, don’t blame the corn, blame the farmers.

 

[SneakDZA]

Niggas want to talk integrity, the reason that everyone had artistic integrity back then is because the A&r said you had to be nice. YouTube is the A&r today, and guess what the people who pay for the music would rather you have a story then be nice on the mic in a lot of cases. Either that or do something different to set yourself apart, because everybody wants to be different and be in their own lane so that’s why a lot of these kids are doing.

From that era to now the fundamental question has changed from can you spit to are you real.

Like I said, let the little homies rock, they are navigating the landscape as best they can. And to keep it real they didn’t get out of control because they were born that way.

And I wouldn’t even say that they are out of control, I see a lot more kids in decent situations today then there were when I was young.

But for the sake of argument. If you want to see why a crop is dead, don’t blame the corn, blame the farmers.

In this analogy they are the farmers though and the crop is the music.

And to take that analogy a step further... let's say you have a new generation of farmers that have no interest in learning how the work is actually done because it's just too difficult and boring. They just cop their little Monsanto pesticides and dump it on the field and call it day. What kind of crop can you really expect them to yield and is it really anybody else's fault that they suck at their job?

 

[Lefty_]

Niggas want to talk integrity, the reason that everyone had artistic integrity back then is because the A&r said you had to be nice. YouTube is the A&r today, and guess what the people who pay for the music would rather you have a story then be nice on the mic in a lot of cases. Either that or do something different to set yourself apart, because everybody wants to be different and be in their own lane so that’s why a lot of these kids are doing.

From that era to now the fundamental question has changed from can you spit to are you real.

Like I said, let the little homies rock, they are navigating the landscape as best they can. And to keep it real they didn’t get out of control because they were born that way.

And I wouldn’t even say that they are out of control, I see a lot more kids in decent situations today then there were when I was young.

But for the sake of argument. If you want to see why a crop is dead, don’t blame the corn, blame the farmers.

In this analogy they are the farmers though and the crop is the music.

And to take that analogy a step further... let's say you have a new generation of farmers that have no interest in learning how the work is actually done because it's just too difficult and boring. They just cop their little Monsanto pesticides and dump it on the field and call it day. What kind of crop can you really expect them to yield and is it really anybody else's fault that they suck at their job?

What generation raised these lil niggas?

 

[5 Grand]

Niggas want to talk integrity, the reason that everyone had artistic integrity back then is because the A&r said you had to be nice. YouTube is the A&r today, and guess what the people who pay for the music would rather you have a story then be nice on the mic in a lot of cases. Either that or do something different to set yourself apart, because everybody wants to be different and be in their own lane so that’s why a lot of these kids are doing.

From that era to now the fundamental question has changed from can you spit to are you real.

Like I said, let the little homies rock, they are navigating the landscape as best they can. And to keep it real they didn’t get out of control because they were born that way.

And I wouldn’t even say that they are out of control, I see a lot more kids in decent situations today then there were when I was young.

But for the sake of argument. If you want to see why a crop is dead, don’t blame the corn, blame the farmers.

In this analogy they are the farmers though and the crop is the music.

And to take that analogy a step further... let's say you have a new generation of farmers that have no interest in learning how the work is actually done because it's just too difficult and boring. They just cop their little Monsanto pesticides and dump it on the field and call it day. What kind of crop can you really expect them to yield and is it really anybody else's fault that they suck at their job?

I don't know much about farming, but I'm pretty sure the science of farming has changed drastically since, say, 1990. I'm pretty sure that whatever farmers were doing in 1990 is obsolete and the technics that a farmer would use now in 2017 makes farming techniques from 1990 seem archaic.

 

[Lefty_]

Oh god what have I done