OVO GOONS run up on Joe Budden In Jersey (HOOD DVD EXCLUSIVE)

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Seems like the consensus is that these dudes aren't real thugs at all.

Well, NEWSFLASH, not being a thug is normal.

It's being a thug that is abnormal.
 
A Talented One;9214231 said:
Seems like the consensus is that these dudes aren't real thugs at all.

Well, NEWSFLASH, not being a thug is normal.

It's being a thug that is abnormal.

No, it's not being a thug, but running up on someone like a thug would. Only to turn tail and run. Then admit it was for attention, that's abnormal.
 
SolemnSauce;9214396 said:
A Talented One;9214231 said:
Seems like the consensus is that these dudes aren't real thugs at all.

Well, NEWSFLASH, not being a thug is normal.

It's being a thug that is abnormal.

No, it's not being a thug, but running up on someone like a thug would. Only to turn tail and run. Then admit it was for attention, that's abnormal.

That's not what they did though.
 
MrCrookedLetter;9213097 said:
https://twitter.com/IamAkademiks/status/757768022765559808

LOL......"money and rolexs"

Meek needs to focus on rebuilding his career that was ended last year. He needs to stay away from any back & forth beef with Joe Budden.
 
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JJ_Evans;9214540 said:
MrCrookedLetter;9213097 said:
https://twitter.com/IamAkademiks/status/757768022765559808

LOL......"money and rolexs"

Meek needs to focus on rebuilding his career that was ended last year. He needs to stay away from any back & forth beef with Joe Budden.

Nah ross just gotta stop bullshitting and drop that posthumous meek mill album we been waiting on.
 
international;9211141 said:
Like Water;9211094 said:
international;9211008 said:
Like Water;9210880 said:
international;9210756 said:
DWO;9210274 said:
international;9210188 said:
DWO;9210140 said:
the memes and photoshops are hilarious,

but drake still got roasted in the battle.....

to me he's 0-4

common killt him with that canada dry line....stay skeeming verse did not do it for me

meek brought to light that drake is that nigga to pee on, revealed his reference tracks, and joked him for getting smacked by diddy

diddy put hands on him......that calabasas song does nothing for me....

joe roasted him for like 3 songs now.....no response except that bullshit he said at his concert...

and in each case it's his twitter following that softens those blows for him......no rapper before the blowing up of twitter would have survived these assaults on their career...

Clearly anything Drake does on wax does nothing for you. Truth is he bodied Meek on track and was able to stand a lyrical beating by Common and remained competitive... You can´t even call this one diss battle, cuz he ain´t even responding to Joe, apart from a few subs or lines on that French record, and those ´´am tracks´´ he always goes in, so continue in denial or hating, it still going be what its going be.

Your opinion or hate won´t influence those that support dude as he been running the charts for over the past 2 months now...carry on tho

drake can rap his ass off, but when it comes to real life confrontation, he's repeatedly exposed as not that guy

you can't rap your way outta being pissed on, or smacked, or having reference tracks....

and you can't flat out ignore a nigga shitting on you with 3 damn songs...talking bot you working on a mixtape.....fuck that...if you can drop back 2 back disses on a nigga, you damn sure better be able to drop a response after a nigga drop 3 shits on your head....

Yall real selective when yall trying to discredit rappers you don´t like, Jay managed to avoid Jayo Felony´s s disses and countless others that have dissed him, 50 cent also avoid the barrage from Yukmouth, domination and countless others who have even dedicated whole mixtapes to him, so that bullshit don´t wash.

In respects to you talking about getting pissed or smacked or any of that shit, I don´t think Drake has marketed himself as a gangsta rapper nor try to come across as a gangsta, nor have I seen a video of these incidents, even if there were footage, I don´t see what that gotta do with music, yall make the mistake thinking everyone gotta abide by some sort of fictious ´code´, most ppl thathave their own lives, don´t give a fuck about any of that trivial shit, at the end of the day, all they got is the music that is put out.

Drake =/= Jay, 50. They came up battling with other niggas and solidified their spots. They earned their right to be selective on whom they choose to ignore. Drake has never earned that right, so stop putting him their category. He doesn't deserve to be there.

And Jay addressed Jayo Felony, you genius. "Jayo you're not a felon, you're a misdemeanor." At least fact check before you put your idiocy on full display.

50 and Jay came up in different eras, where that was required to come up, it was part of the grind, still fif didn´t come up battling no one, he came up by dissing ppl to garner attention, that was his whole formula, so take your own advice and do some fact checking yourself, you smart dumb mofo.

Again, missing the point, Jayo made full disses, just like Buddens and going by that same logic, Drake addressed Buddens, "pump pump pump it up´´ + the one hit wonder line, point in case.

smh

It's you bum ass fans that keep changing the requirements of the genre to fit your ideals, that's the reason shit is fucked like the way it is. The rules were put in place to keep niggas like Drake out in the first damn place. He's winning because he didn't hafta follow the guidelines that were put there in the first place.

I understand and endorse the genre growing, but some rules had a legitimate purpose to them. When I hear "Drake", I don't think of him as a singularity, it's "Drake and Co.", which is obviously counterproductive to the grassroots origin of the genre.

Social media, casual fans, hipsters, thot bitches shouldn't have the voice they have in hip-hop.

And 50 didn't go at the entire NY network? I'm pretty sure he did. Pretty sure that's battling on wax.

lmaooo@ this emotional dumb ass, that can´t fathom that eras change and things evolve (wether it be for the negative or positive, that is debatable), and trying to dictate to all what hiphop should be smh, hiphop is an artform, and just like any other form of art is due to each ones interpretation!

Before Pac showed how successful beefing on wax could be from a commercial and business standpoint, nigga wasnt using it as a tool to gain attention and increase sales, yet that was fif´s whole formula that is why he dissed the entire NY, no other legit reason to call out all those names, unless it was murder inc, and you trying to excuse his actions?smh, what a dickrider.

Just like the founders of hip hop, ushered in the genre through mc´ing, djing, graffiti, break dancing and break beats, is that how most of the famous rappers today got on???? NO, because the landscape changed, smh@ yall dummies that can´t figure this out and trapped in the past, now you have youtube and technology, and that all has an effect on how ppl get on today.

There is no such thing as negative evolution. Evolution is when something gets better so you are wrong on that opinion and your overall opinion. Like Water is right about the guidelines that are still in place byv"real" Hip-Hop fans.
 
VulcanRaven;9214619 said:
international;9211141 said:
Like Water;9211094 said:
international;9211008 said:
Like Water;9210880 said:
international;9210756 said:
DWO;9210274 said:
international;9210188 said:
DWO;9210140 said:
the memes and photoshops are hilarious,

but drake still got roasted in the battle.....

to me he's 0-4

common killt him with that canada dry line....stay skeeming verse did not do it for me

meek brought to light that drake is that nigga to pee on, revealed his reference tracks, and joked him for getting smacked by diddy

diddy put hands on him......that calabasas song does nothing for me....

joe roasted him for like 3 songs now.....no response except that bullshit he said at his concert...

and in each case it's his twitter following that softens those blows for him......no rapper before the blowing up of twitter would have survived these assaults on their career...

Clearly anything Drake does on wax does nothing for you. Truth is he bodied Meek on track and was able to stand a lyrical beating by Common and remained competitive... You can´t even call this one diss battle, cuz he ain´t even responding to Joe, apart from a few subs or lines on that French record, and those ´´am tracks´´ he always goes in, so continue in denial or hating, it still going be what its going be.

Your opinion or hate won´t influence those that support dude as he been running the charts for over the past 2 months now...carry on tho

drake can rap his ass off, but when it comes to real life confrontation, he's repeatedly exposed as not that guy

you can't rap your way outta being pissed on, or smacked, or having reference tracks....

and you can't flat out ignore a nigga shitting on you with 3 damn songs...talking bot you working on a mixtape.....fuck that...if you can drop back 2 back disses on a nigga, you damn sure better be able to drop a response after a nigga drop 3 shits on your head....

Yall real selective when yall trying to discredit rappers you don´t like, Jay managed to avoid Jayo Felony´s s disses and countless others that have dissed him, 50 cent also avoid the barrage from Yukmouth, domination and countless others who have even dedicated whole mixtapes to him, so that bullshit don´t wash.

In respects to you talking about getting pissed or smacked or any of that shit, I don´t think Drake has marketed himself as a gangsta rapper nor try to come across as a gangsta, nor have I seen a video of these incidents, even if there were footage, I don´t see what that gotta do with music, yall make the mistake thinking everyone gotta abide by some sort of fictious ´code´, most ppl thathave their own lives, don´t give a fuck about any of that trivial shit, at the end of the day, all they got is the music that is put out.

Drake =/= Jay, 50. They came up battling with other niggas and solidified their spots. They earned their right to be selective on whom they choose to ignore. Drake has never earned that right, so stop putting him their category. He doesn't deserve to be there.

And Jay addressed Jayo Felony, you genius. "Jayo you're not a felon, you're a misdemeanor." At least fact check before you put your idiocy on full display.

50 and Jay came up in different eras, where that was required to come up, it was part of the grind, still fif didn´t come up battling no one, he came up by dissing ppl to garner attention, that was his whole formula, so take your own advice and do some fact checking yourself, you smart dumb mofo.

Again, missing the point, Jayo made full disses, just like Buddens and going by that same logic, Drake addressed Buddens, "pump pump pump it up´´ + the one hit wonder line, point in case.

smh

It's you bum ass fans that keep changing the requirements of the genre to fit your ideals, that's the reason shit is fucked like the way it is. The rules were put in place to keep niggas like Drake out in the first damn place. He's winning because he didn't hafta follow the guidelines that were put there in the first place.

I understand and endorse the genre growing, but some rules had a legitimate purpose to them. When I hear "Drake", I don't think of him as a singularity, it's "Drake and Co.", which is obviously counterproductive to the grassroots origin of the genre.

Social media, casual fans, hipsters, thot bitches shouldn't have the voice they have in hip-hop.

And 50 didn't go at the entire NY network? I'm pretty sure he did. Pretty sure that's battling on wax.

lmaooo@ this emotional dumb ass, that can´t fathom that eras change and things evolve (wether it be for the negative or positive, that is debatable), and trying to dictate to all what hiphop should be smh, hiphop is an artform, and just like any other form of art is due to each ones interpretation!

Before Pac showed how successful beefing on wax could be from a commercial and business standpoint, nigga wasnt using it as a tool to gain attention and increase sales, yet that was fif´s whole formula that is why he dissed the entire NY, no other legit reason to call out all those names, unless it was murder inc, and you trying to excuse his actions?smh, what a dickrider.

Just like the founders of hip hop, ushered in the genre through mc´ing, djing, graffiti, break dancing and break beats, is that how most of the famous rappers today got on???? NO, because the landscape changed, smh@ yall dummies that can´t figure this out and trapped in the past, now you have youtube and technology, and that all has an effect on how ppl get on today.

There is no such thing as negative evolution. Evolution is when something gets better so you are wrong on that opinion and your overall opinion. Like Water is right about the guidelines that are still in place byv"real" Hip-Hop fans.

No. Evolution has no natural path. So if there's no such thing as negative evolution there's no such thing as positive evolution. Evolution is adaptation not a forward movement.

Ijs.
 
JJ_Evans;9214540 said:
LOL......"money and rolexs"

Meek needs to focus on rebuilding his career that was ended last year. He needs to stay away from any back & forth beef with Joe Budden.

U got meek confused wit that dusty bum hoe budden meek career is fine joey is the 1 that is finished.....Meeks girl is Nikki so he brag different like j a bum like hoe budden can't relate 2 meek.....just like that dusty bum hoe don't know wats it's like 2 have a gold lp b #1 n the country 2wks n a row wit a plat single & win album of the yr......that bum joe needs to stay away from a back & forth wit meek cuz meek got him beat & the chasers will beat joey bum ass like hanz..

 
KingFreeman;9214648 said:
VulcanRaven;9214619 said:
international;9211141 said:
Like Water;9211094 said:
international;9211008 said:
Like Water;9210880 said:
international;9210756 said:
DWO;9210274 said:
international;9210188 said:
DWO;9210140 said:
the memes and photoshops are hilarious,

but drake still got roasted in the battle.....

to me he's 0-4

common killt him with that canada dry line....stay skeeming verse did not do it for me

meek brought to light that drake is that nigga to pee on, revealed his reference tracks, and joked him for getting smacked by diddy

diddy put hands on him......that calabasas song does nothing for me....

joe roasted him for like 3 songs now.....no response except that bullshit he said at his concert...

and in each case it's his twitter following that softens those blows for him......no rapper before the blowing up of twitter would have survived these assaults on their career...

Clearly anything Drake does on wax does nothing for you. Truth is he bodied Meek on track and was able to stand a lyrical beating by Common and remained competitive... You can´t even call this one diss battle, cuz he ain´t even responding to Joe, apart from a few subs or lines on that French record, and those ´´am tracks´´ he always goes in, so continue in denial or hating, it still going be what its going be.

Your opinion or hate won´t influence those that support dude as he been running the charts for over the past 2 months now...carry on tho

drake can rap his ass off, but when it comes to real life confrontation, he's repeatedly exposed as not that guy

you can't rap your way outta being pissed on, or smacked, or having reference tracks....

and you can't flat out ignore a nigga shitting on you with 3 damn songs...talking bot you working on a mixtape.....fuck that...if you can drop back 2 back disses on a nigga, you damn sure better be able to drop a response after a nigga drop 3 shits on your head....

Yall real selective when yall trying to discredit rappers you don´t like, Jay managed to avoid Jayo Felony´s s disses and countless others that have dissed him, 50 cent also avoid the barrage from Yukmouth, domination and countless others who have even dedicated whole mixtapes to him, so that bullshit don´t wash.

In respects to you talking about getting pissed or smacked or any of that shit, I don´t think Drake has marketed himself as a gangsta rapper nor try to come across as a gangsta, nor have I seen a video of these incidents, even if there were footage, I don´t see what that gotta do with music, yall make the mistake thinking everyone gotta abide by some sort of fictious ´code´, most ppl thathave their own lives, don´t give a fuck about any of that trivial shit, at the end of the day, all they got is the music that is put out.

Drake =/= Jay, 50. They came up battling with other niggas and solidified their spots. They earned their right to be selective on whom they choose to ignore. Drake has never earned that right, so stop putting him their category. He doesn't deserve to be there.

And Jay addressed Jayo Felony, you genius. "Jayo you're not a felon, you're a misdemeanor." At least fact check before you put your idiocy on full display.

50 and Jay came up in different eras, where that was required to come up, it was part of the grind, still fif didn´t come up battling no one, he came up by dissing ppl to garner attention, that was his whole formula, so take your own advice and do some fact checking yourself, you smart dumb mofo.

Again, missing the point, Jayo made full disses, just like Buddens and going by that same logic, Drake addressed Buddens, "pump pump pump it up´´ + the one hit wonder line, point in case.

smh

It's you bum ass fans that keep changing the requirements of the genre to fit your ideals, that's the reason shit is fucked like the way it is. The rules were put in place to keep niggas like Drake out in the first damn place. He's winning because he didn't hafta follow the guidelines that were put there in the first place.

I understand and endorse the genre growing, but some rules had a legitimate purpose to them. When I hear "Drake", I don't think of him as a singularity, it's "Drake and Co.", which is obviously counterproductive to the grassroots origin of the genre.

Social media, casual fans, hipsters, thot bitches shouldn't have the voice they have in hip-hop.

And 50 didn't go at the entire NY network? I'm pretty sure he did. Pretty sure that's battling on wax.

lmaooo@ this emotional dumb ass, that can´t fathom that eras change and things evolve (wether it be for the negative or positive, that is debatable), and trying to dictate to all what hiphop should be smh, hiphop is an artform, and just like any other form of art is due to each ones interpretation!

Before Pac showed how successful beefing on wax could be from a commercial and business standpoint, nigga wasnt using it as a tool to gain attention and increase sales, yet that was fif´s whole formula that is why he dissed the entire NY, no other legit reason to call out all those names, unless it was murder inc, and you trying to excuse his actions?smh, what a dickrider.

Just like the founders of hip hop, ushered in the genre through mc´ing, djing, graffiti, break dancing and break beats, is that how most of the famous rappers today got on???? NO, because the landscape changed, smh@ yall dummies that can´t figure this out and trapped in the past, now you have youtube and technology, and that all has an effect on how ppl get on today.

There is no such thing as negative evolution. Evolution is when something gets better so you are wrong on that opinion and your overall opinion. Like Water is right about the guidelines that are still in place byv"real" Hip-Hop fans.

No. Evolution has no natural path. So if there's no such thing as negative evolution there's no such thing as positive evolution. Evolution is adaptation not a forward movement.

Ijs.

Exactly.

That´s why I said it was debatable, wether its negative or positive, it´s subjective and personal opinion of whomever you ask, not evolution itself or its process.
 
mryounggun;9213758 said:
Shit like this is funny and everything...but people have been killed for less. It's pretty much exactly like Budden said: This ain't the internet. And kids these days don't really understand the difference.

And it's also just like Charlemagne said: You doin' all this for likes and follows and because Budden dissed your favorite rapper...but you favorite rapper ain't gonna pay for ya fucking funeral.

how many fights has Budden won?
 
sully;9215138 said:
how many fights has Budden won?

He's 2-0 vs women imean his win count n that department could b higher.....but when it comes 2 fighting men he has yet to catch a W but he has the opportunity now by fighting Drake lol
 
VulcanRaven;9214619 said:
international;9211141 said:
Like Water;9211094 said:
international;9211008 said:
Like Water;9210880 said:
international;9210756 said:
DWO;9210274 said:
international;9210188 said:
DWO;9210140 said:
the memes and photoshops are hilarious,

but drake still got roasted in the battle.....

to me he's 0-4

common killt him with that canada dry line....stay skeeming verse did not do it for me

meek brought to light that drake is that nigga to pee on, revealed his reference tracks, and joked him for getting smacked by diddy

diddy put hands on him......that calabasas song does nothing for me....

joe roasted him for like 3 songs now.....no response except that bullshit he said at his concert...

and in each case it's his twitter following that softens those blows for him......no rapper before the blowing up of twitter would have survived these assaults on their career...

Clearly anything Drake does on wax does nothing for you. Truth is he bodied Meek on track and was able to stand a lyrical beating by Common and remained competitive... You can´t even call this one diss battle, cuz he ain´t even responding to Joe, apart from a few subs or lines on that French record, and those ´´am tracks´´ he always goes in, so continue in denial or hating, it still going be what its going be.

Your opinion or hate won´t influence those that support dude as he been running the charts for over the past 2 months now...carry on tho

drake can rap his ass off, but when it comes to real life confrontation, he's repeatedly exposed as not that guy

you can't rap your way outta being pissed on, or smacked, or having reference tracks....

and you can't flat out ignore a nigga shitting on you with 3 damn songs...talking bot you working on a mixtape.....fuck that...if you can drop back 2 back disses on a nigga, you damn sure better be able to drop a response after a nigga drop 3 shits on your head....

Yall real selective when yall trying to discredit rappers you don´t like, Jay managed to avoid Jayo Felony´s s disses and countless others that have dissed him, 50 cent also avoid the barrage from Yukmouth, domination and countless others who have even dedicated whole mixtapes to him, so that bullshit don´t wash.

In respects to you talking about getting pissed or smacked or any of that shit, I don´t think Drake has marketed himself as a gangsta rapper nor try to come across as a gangsta, nor have I seen a video of these incidents, even if there were footage, I don´t see what that gotta do with music, yall make the mistake thinking everyone gotta abide by some sort of fictious ´code´, most ppl thathave their own lives, don´t give a fuck about any of that trivial shit, at the end of the day, all they got is the music that is put out.

Drake =/= Jay, 50. They came up battling with other niggas and solidified their spots. They earned their right to be selective on whom they choose to ignore. Drake has never earned that right, so stop putting him their category. He doesn't deserve to be there.

And Jay addressed Jayo Felony, you genius. "Jayo you're not a felon, you're a misdemeanor." At least fact check before you put your idiocy on full display.

50 and Jay came up in different eras, where that was required to come up, it was part of the grind, still fif didn´t come up battling no one, he came up by dissing ppl to garner attention, that was his whole formula, so take your own advice and do some fact checking yourself, you smart dumb mofo.

Again, missing the point, Jayo made full disses, just like Buddens and going by that same logic, Drake addressed Buddens, "pump pump pump it up´´ + the one hit wonder line, point in case.

smh

It's you bum ass fans that keep changing the requirements of the genre to fit your ideals, that's the reason shit is fucked like the way it is. The rules were put in place to keep niggas like Drake out in the first damn place. He's winning because he didn't hafta follow the guidelines that were put there in the first place.

I understand and endorse the genre growing, but some rules had a legitimate purpose to them. When I hear "Drake", I don't think of him as a singularity, it's "Drake and Co.", which is obviously counterproductive to the grassroots origin of the genre.

Social media, casual fans, hipsters, thot bitches shouldn't have the voice they have in hip-hop.

And 50 didn't go at the entire NY network? I'm pretty sure he did. Pretty sure that's battling on wax.

lmaooo@ this emotional dumb ass, that can´t fathom that eras change and things evolve (wether it be for the negative or positive, that is debatable), and trying to dictate to all what hiphop should be smh, hiphop is an artform, and just like any other form of art is due to each ones interpretation!

Before Pac showed how successful beefing on wax could be from a commercial and business standpoint, nigga wasnt using it as a tool to gain attention and increase sales, yet that was fif´s whole formula that is why he dissed the entire NY, no other legit reason to call out all those names, unless it was murder inc, and you trying to excuse his actions?smh, what a dickrider.

Just like the founders of hip hop, ushered in the genre through mc´ing, djing, graffiti, break dancing and break beats, is that how most of the famous rappers today got on???? NO, because the landscape changed, smh@ yall dummies that can´t figure this out and trapped in the past, now you have youtube and technology, and that all has an effect on how ppl get on today.

There is no such thing as negative evolution. Evolution is when something gets better so you are wrong on that opinion and your overall opinion. Like Water is right about the guidelines that are still in place byv"real" Hip-Hop fans.

Actually, evolution isn't even about getting better. It's just about adapting to your surroundings through mutations spanning generations. You could lose inherent abilities that were better suited for one environment but not for another.

For example, wisdom teeth exist because humans were better adapted to eat plants more quickly. We still have a largely plant-based diet, but we ingest less cellulose, so wisdom teeth for better breakdown of those plants is no longer required.

Doesn't make it better or worse, it's just an adaptation to a different diet and the agricultural revolution.
 
MrCrookedLetter;9213442 said:
gee757;9213405 said:
MrCrookedLetter;9213397 said:
Niggas can't have opinions?

Nope...not when ya a delusional drakie who thinks u can win rap battles & b top 5 & j wit ghostwriters ya opinion on hip hop don't mean shit gtfoh wit that hip pop bs this is hip hop

@gns you a Drakie nh? Damn homie

Lol wtf?

Theres a reason i got that retard on ignore and its not because of his intellectual and thought provoking posts.

Niggaz posts make my brains hurt

And I've been a regular joe fan since before dude from the town of one big pussy waiting to get fuck was a ross stan

And meek is still garbage
 
Y is this male stalking faggot gns lyin saying he got me on ignore when this faggot stay hitting me wit negs on the reg?

iKingGodGivBiz;9208999 said:
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Smh look @ this bum nigga u a bum just like this fuk nigga faggot & ya a bitch 4 supporting a woman beater like hoe budden . Yall fuk niggas got the game fuk,d up cuz a bum like hoe budden wish he was a baaaawse like renzel
 
Sion;9211039 said:
Dude said he wasn't a Drake fan to CTG and he was just tryna promote his music and by luck caught Joe. He don't have anything to do with Drake but funny how niggas making it out as if it is.

Wish he would run up on uncle murder

 
gee757;9214660 said:
JJ_Evans;9214540 said:
LOL......"money and rolexs"

Meek needs to focus on rebuilding his career that was ended last year. He needs to stay away from any back & forth beef with Joe Budden.

U got meek confused wit that dusty bum hoe budden meek career is fine joey is the 1 that is finished.....Meeks girl is Nikki so he brag different like j a bum like hoe budden can't relate 2 meek.....just like that dusty bum hoe don't know wats it's like 2 have a gold lp b #1 n the country 2wks n a row wit a plat single & win album of the yr......that bum joe needs to stay away from a back & forth wit meek cuz meek got him beat & the chasers will beat joey bum ass like hanz..

Why do you always bring up that Meek got Nikki every time someone criticizes him?

Gucci, Drake, Wayne, and countless other industry people have already smashed her. Hell, she doesn't even acknowledge Meek when she's on talk shows........LOL
 
Sion;9215515 said:
If I were Joe I'd sue that nigga till he was blue in the face. Just to make an example of duke.

did you see his shirt? unless he knows a lawyer willing to work pro bono, he'll continue to throw rocks till they call him Joey Palestinian.
 

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