Old Heads, how many of y'all accepted that today's hip hop had passed you by?

[konceptjones]

in terms of high hat yall talking bout this right? just making sure i'm not confused b/c this shit ain't no staple of southern hip hop in the 80s, and this isn't no boom bap

We talkin bout Rap music doe not Jazz a whateva that is

It would be ridiculous for a Hip Hop fan to NOT relate 808s and hi-hats to Southern Hip Hop

Nigga what? High hat is high hat regardless of genre. It's the same sound

Even still this thread nor this message board is dedicated to the regarlessness of genre, its rap music

@SwampNigga

that "ttttt-tttttt" shit you hear is form of hi-hat style created by niggas, who for the most part, couldn't really make no beats and used it to cover up their lack of good beat making. problem is,, the shit caught on bigtime and street niggaz felll in love with that shit, and niggaz who could make good beatz and only used the hi hat like a real instrument end up having to dumb-down their tracks to meet the demand. but I wouldn't call it the South's Boom Bap and it definitely wasn't around in the mid-80's early 90's, becuz niggaz I know down south was making beats like the West Coast and Miami Bass(with 5 octaves..lol) for the most part.

I would and I am

p.s. this is 87 bruh, really?

And this was '86, so what are you getting at???

 

[OGClarenceBoddicker]

Now look here, I aint told yall shit bout no 808, I told yall I was lost on the situation cuz niggas down here just refer to 808s simply as basslines, yall cleared a lil bit up on that

On the other hand I find it very hard to believe that some nigga that don't even like nor listen to Southern Hip Hop is about to tell me where the sound came from when I live this shit by birth, been listenin to this shit all my life, you can learn a lot from a oldhead but you also can learn a lot from a dummy.

in terms of high hat yall talking bout this right? just making sure i'm not confused b/c this shit ain't no staple of southern hip hop in the 80s, and this isn't no boom bap

We talkin bout Rap music doe not Jazz a whateva that is

It would be ridiculous for a Hip Hop fan to NOT relate 808s and hi-hats to Southern Hip Hop

Nigga what? High hat is high hat regardless of genre. It's the same sound

Not to mention just about every if not all drum machines used in Hip Hop from the Lynn, to the SP1200, and the TR808 all used the 808 drum kit. How ironic that in a thread about old heads you got guys in here telling old heads what went on at the inception and creation of Hip Hop.

Remember when D-Nice titled himself as the TR808? LMAO!!!

 

[Kwan Dai]

Im probably the oldest person on this forum and i was already 'old' during the golden era of rap from the 90s thru the mid 2000s and i absolutely loved it and i dont like this new auto tuned techno stuff at all! I kind of equate the 80s music with what is going on now: electronic, annoying beats and shallow, materialistic messages.

cut that back some years. The "Golden Era" was from about '87 to the mid-late 90's. Some would say only until the early 90's but that's the only real debate.

And... I REALLY doubt you're the oldest person here judging from your descriptions.

I would argue the golden era depends on whos asked. Was is not the golden are when you could go to a Jam as see Herc, Bam, Cold Crush, and Furious doing this Hip Hop thing it's purest form? What about Burning a Tag up in the afternoon with Dondde and then witnessing Rock Steady battle it out with the NYC breakers? I didn't get a chance to experience that but damn just knowing that that happened seems dope to me. So, perhaps golden age depends on one's perspective.

I remember seeing Run-DMC battle the Treacherous three on graffiti rock. Damn if I didn't think that was the golden era. LMAO.

 

[OGClarenceBoddicker]

You aint told me shit but a variation of what my original post said, where you think Rodney O and Joe Cooley from

@SwampNigga

that "ttttt-tttttt" shit you hear is form of hi-hat style created by niggas, who for the most part, couldn't really make no beats and used it to cover up their lack of good beat making. problem is,, the shit caught on bigtime and street niggaz felll in love with that shit, and niggaz who could make good beatz and only used the hi hat like a real instrument end up having to dumb-down their tracks to meet the demand. but I wouldn't call it the South's Boom Bap and it definitely wasn't around in the mid-80's early 90's, becuz niggaz I know down south was making beats like the West Coast and Miami Bass(with 5 octaves..lol) for the most part.

Let me school some of these young niggas sbout the south and their style which 2 live crew help started. First of all Early mid West Coast electro rap influence the southern sound.

All 2 Live Crew members except Luke Skyyywalker is from the west coast. 2 live crew is from L.A., they was influence by Jimmy Critter, Egyptian Lover, Uncle Jams Army and all that electro rap that was running So Cal. 2 Live Crew was a west coast group first

 

[Kwan Dai]

Now look here, I aint told yall shit bout no 808, I told yall I was lost on the situation cuz niggas down here just refer to 808s simply as basslines, yall cleared a lil bit up on that

On the other hand I find it very hard to believe that some nigga that don't even like nor listen to Southern Hip Hop is about to tell me where the sound came from when I live this shit by birth, been listenin to this shit all my life, you can learn a lot from a oldhead but you also can learn a lot from a dummy.

in terms of high hat yall talking bout this right? just making sure i'm not confused b/c this shit ain't no staple of southern hip hop in the 80s, and this isn't no boom bap

We talkin bout Rap music doe not Jazz a whateva that is

It would be ridiculous for a Hip Hop fan to NOT relate 808s and hi-hats to Southern Hip Hop

Nigga what? High hat is high hat regardless of genre. It's the same sound

Not to mention just about every if not all drum machines used in Hip Hop from the Lynn, to the SP1200, and the TR808 all used the 808 drum kit. How ironic that in a thread about old heads you got guys in here telling old heads what went on at the inception and creation of Hip Hop.

Remember when D-Nice titled himself as the TR808? LMAO!!!

It's easy to tell you where the sound came from because, HIP HOP was birthed in NY. Every Hip Hop artist there after was influenced by NY HIP HOP. Which, incorporated 808, 909, 505 etc drum kits in the Music and beat making. Sure each area may have done something different with it but the usage of these drum machines in Hip Hop began in NY. Just like it would be beyond ridiculous that Music producers from the Chi didn't use these machines to create HOUSE or Detroit Producers to create Techno.

NY came on later and created their own brand of House and Techno as did NJ. But they sure as hell copied from the aforementioned cities to create their sound. It's ok famo. It really is. I know it hurts and it's painful but it is what it is.

 

[OGClarenceBoddicker]

Cuz said the sound wuddn around in the mid 80s and early 90s and I posted a video from 87 is what im gettin at

What is you gettin at nigga? lol

Det Beastie Boy shit is not the same vibe, I already had a argument wit some nigga some time ago who tried to claim that sound for NY I posted this shit and told him I understand what he sayin but c'mon bruh, u reachin this aint the same shit


This was not a race to see who came first it was provin to cuz that the sound was around at the time, you just lookin thirsty right now

in terms of high hat yall talking bout this right? just making sure i'm not confused b/c this shit ain't no staple of southern hip hop in the 80s, and this isn't no boom bap

We talkin bout Rap music doe not Jazz a whateva that is

It would be ridiculous for a Hip Hop fan to NOT relate 808s and hi-hats to Southern Hip Hop

Nigga what? High hat is high hat regardless of genre. It's the same sound

Even still this thread nor this message board is dedicated to the regarlessness of genre, its rap music

@SwampNigga

that "ttttt-tttttt" shit you hear is form of hi-hat style created by niggas, who for the most part, couldn't really make no beats and used it to cover up their lack of good beat making. problem is,, the shit caught on bigtime and street niggaz felll in love with that shit, and niggaz who could make good beatz and only used the hi hat like a real instrument end up having to dumb-down their tracks to meet the demand. but I wouldn't call it the South's Boom Bap and it definitely wasn't around in the mid-80's early 90's, becuz niggaz I know down south was making beats like the West Coast and Miami Bass(with 5 octaves..lol) for the most part.

I would and I am

p.s. this is 87 bruh, really?

And this was '86, so what are you getting at???

 

[OGClarenceBoddicker]

Now look here, I aint told yall shit bout no 808, I told yall I was lost on the situation cuz niggas down here just refer to 808s simply as basslines, yall cleared a lil bit up on that

On the other hand I find it very hard to believe that some nigga that don't even like nor listen to Southern Hip Hop is about to tell me where the sound came from when I live this shit by birth, been listenin to this shit all my life, you can learn a lot from a oldhead but you also can learn a lot from a dummy.

in terms of high hat yall talking bout this right? just making sure i'm not confused b/c this shit ain't no staple of southern hip hop in the 80s, and this isn't no boom bap

We talkin bout Rap music doe not Jazz a whateva that is

It would be ridiculous for a Hip Hop fan to NOT relate 808s and hi-hats to Southern Hip Hop

Nigga what? High hat is high hat regardless of genre. It's the same sound

Not to mention just about every if not all drum machines used in Hip Hop from the Lynn, to the SP1200, and the TR808 all used the 808 drum kit. How ironic that in a thread about old heads you got guys in here telling old heads what went on at the inception and creation of Hip Hop.

Remember when D-Nice titled himself as the TR808? LMAO!!!

It's easy to tell you where the sound came from because, HIP HOP was birthed in NY. Every Hip Hop artist there after was influenced by NY HIP HOP. Which, incorporated 808, 909, 505 etc drum kits in the Music and beat making. Sure each area may have done something different with it but the usage of these drum machines in Hip Hop began in NY. Just like it would be beyond ridiculous that Music producers from the Chi didn't use these machines to create HOUSE or Detroit Producers to create Techno.

NY came on later and created their own brand of House and Techno as did NJ. But they sure as hell copied from the aforementioned cities to create their sound. It's ok famo. It really is. I know it hurts and it's painful but it is what it is.

How is it hurtful and painful I rep fa NY Hip Hop just as hard as the South when I aint tryna defend the shit against yall prejudice ass niggas

Matta fact what you talkin house, disco, painful how we get here?

 

[NoCompetition]

Then you got people like Juicy J, Jay z, 2 chainz...basically all the dudes older than me who are still relevant with the youth who just embrace the times. To me its not that hard. Makes life better. Keeps you feeling young and from being all tied up in knots bitter. Thats the loser approach to me. The world keeps movin on.

 

[konceptjones]

in terms of high hat yall talking bout this right? just making sure i'm not confused b/c this shit ain't no staple of southern hip hop in the 80s, and this isn't no boom bap

We talkin bout Rap music doe not Jazz a whateva that is

It would be ridiculous for a Hip Hop fan to NOT relate 808s and hi-hats to Southern Hip Hop

Nigga what? High hat is high hat regardless of genre. It's the same sound

Not to mention just about every if not all drum machines used in Hip Hop from the Lynn, to the SP1200, and the TR808 all used the 808 drum kit. How ironic that in a thread about old heads you got guys in here telling old heads what went on at the inception and creation of Hip Hop.

Remember when D-Nice titled himself as the TR808? LMAO!!!

No, they didn't. You're so wrong it ain't even funny.

The 808 created every sound using analog synthesis. There were no samples involved at all. All sounds were generated on the fly with voltage controlled oscillators and a noise generator.

Neither the Linn LM-1 or LinnDrum (LM-@) ever shipped with an "808 kit". The samples that the LM-1 used were all burned into individual EPROM chips, not something included in ROM or something to be loaded from a floppy.

The SP12/SP1200 didn't have them either unless you took an 808 and sampled it yourself.

IIRC, The first drum machine that had an 808 kit was the Roland R8 (released in '89), and even then you had to buy it separately from the drum machine on the "Electronic" expansion card (I used to have the R8 w/jazz brush, electronic and dry cards). The R8mkII (which I also owned) had both the 808 and 909 kits included in ROM as well as the much older CR76 sounds.

In the 80's, if you heard 808 sounds on a record, it came from a real 808. There was no substitute.

 

[OGClarenceBoddicker]

lmaooooo Yoooooooooooooo kinfolks all I said was 808s and hi-hats was the South's Boom Bap I meant that shit and it aint a fuckin thing on earth that could possibly come close to changin my mind, I know what I came up on and I know its plenty other niggas on dis board det feel the same way they just aint gon say shit

So all that he say/she say tell mya tell toya shit yall bringin up must stop, I cant fight all u niggas by myself, I gotta shit and I really need to roll a blunt cuz I aint get a chance to smoke at all yesterday

 

[Splackavelli]

stupid kids and their faux hawks, skateboards and beliebers! you know what my 35 year old ass wants some young early 20 year old pussy. I want to be a 60 something year old sugar daddy like my second cousin a few years back. have a young ass wife who roller skates. what y'all youngin's know about that? ARRRRRGHHHHWARRRRGARRBBBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Kwan Dai]

in terms of high hat yall talking bout this right? just making sure i'm not confused b/c this shit ain't no staple of southern hip hop in the 80s, and this isn't no boom bap

We talkin bout Rap music doe not Jazz a whateva that is

It would be ridiculous for a Hip Hop fan to NOT relate 808s and hi-hats to Southern Hip Hop

Nigga what? High hat is high hat regardless of genre. It's the same sound

Not to mention just about every if not all drum machines used in Hip Hop from the Lynn, to the SP1200, and the TR808 all used the 808 drum kit. How ironic that in a thread about old heads you got guys in here telling old heads what went on at the inception and creation of Hip Hop.

Remember when D-Nice titled himself as the TR808? LMAO!!!

No, they didn't. You're so wrong it ain't even funny.

The 808 created every sound using analog synthesis. There were no samples involved at all. All sounds were generated on the fly with voltage controlled oscillators and a noise generator.

Neither the Linn LM-1 or LinnDrum (LM-@) ever shipped with an "808 kit". The samples that the LM-1 used were all burned into individual EPROM chips, not something included in ROM or something to be loaded from a floppy.

The SP12/SP1200 didn't have them either unless you took an 808 and sampled it yourself.

IIRC, The first drum machine that had an 808 kit was the Roland R8 (released in '89), and even then you had to buy it separately from the drum machine on the "Electronic" expansion card (I used to have the R8 w/jazz brush, electronic and dry cards). The R8mkII (which I also owned) had both the 808 and 909 kits included in ROM as well as the much older CR76 sounds.

In the 80's, if you heard 808 sounds on a record, it came from a real 808. There was no substitute.

I stand correct then. But I certainly was not\am not as you say SO WRONG. I never said they shipped with these kits. I said, they were used. Whether the sounds were programmed in, accessed from floppy or used midi between devices is beside the point. The 808 was used. None the less thanks for the clarification.

 

[konceptjones]

@SwampNigga

that "ttttt-tttttt" shit you hear is form of hi-hat style created by niggas, who for the most part, couldn't really make no beats and used it to cover up their lack of good beat making. problem is,, the shit caught on bigtime and street niggaz felll in love with that shit, and niggaz who could make good beatz and only used the hi hat like a real instrument end up having to dumb-down their tracks to meet the demand. but I wouldn't call it the South's Boom Bap and it definitely wasn't around in the mid-80's early 90's, becuz niggaz I know down south was making beats like the West Coast and Miami Bass(with 5 octaves..lol) for the most part.

Let me school some of these young niggas sbout the south and their style which 2 live crew help started. First of all Early mid West Coast electro rap influence the southern sound.

All 2 Live Crew members except Luke Skyyywalker is from the west coast. 2 live crew is from L.A., they was influence by Jimmy Critter, Egyptian Lover, Uncle Jams Army and all that electro rap that was running So Cal. 2 Live Crew was a west coast group first

playing devils advocate, where do you think that west coast electronic sound came from?

Soulsonic Force - NYC

Newcleus - NYC

Man Parrish - NYC

Hashim - NYC

Ice T - NYC/NJ (ooooooooooooooooooo)

but to fuck it up with the combo breaker:

Cybotron - Detroit

A Number Of Names - Detroit

That Electro rap shit took the fuck off in LA tho and stayed there longer than anywhere else on the map.

Don't forget that I dropped this on y'all a while back:

Peep the joint on the right.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

Not an old head by any means, but the radio has always sucked as far as Hip-Hop. All I've ever did was stick to my core emcees until someone new comes around (via a mixtape or guess verse or some shit) who is good enough IMO to pay attention to.

Out of the new guys, Big KRIT is pretty good, Pusha T is on fire lyrically, and that's pretty much it. Other than that I stick to my core group of emcees. Personally, I don't know how y'all be supporting any and everyone. That shit is too expensive and too time consuming.

 

[DMTxTHC]

LOL @ Disco Rap...classic. This should be the name of this era.

This era?.. nigga this ain't the mid 2000s.. the snap/ringtone-era of 2005-2008 is most comparable to a "Disco era"..

 

[OGClarenceBoddicker]

This that GOAT shit here, too much history
http://thequietus.com/articles/05588-dj-spanish-fly-interview

 

[zombie]

LOL @ Disco Rap...classic. This should be the name of this era.

This era?.. nigga this ain't the mid 2000s.. the snap/ringtone-era of 2005-2008 is most comparable to a "Disco era"..

Nah

We are still in the dicso-rap era we have not FULLY moved out of it yet two of most popular rapers out right now are

lil wayne and 2 chains

 

[need some fresh]

I don't think there is anything to "accept". You have good music and you have bad music. Of course, what is considered good or bad is all a matter of opinion and preference. In my humble opinion...a lot of today's music is just wack. It's not that there wasn't plenty of wack shit 10+ years ago. I just think the overall amount of wackness has increased substantially for a number of reasons which I don't care to rehash.

pretty much how I feel

 

[need some fresh]

I don't think there is anything to "accept". You have good music and you have bad music. Of course, what is considered good or bad is all a matter of opinion and preference. In my humble opinion...a lot of today's music is just wack. It's not that there wasn't plenty of wack shit 10+ years ago. I just think the overall amount of wackness has increased substantially for a number of reasons which I don't care to rehash.

pretty much how I feel

 

[waterproof]

@SwampNigga

that "ttttt-tttttt" shit you hear is form of hi-hat style created by niggas, who for the most part, couldn't really make no beats and used it to cover up their lack of good beat making. problem is,, the shit caught on bigtime and street niggaz felll in love with that shit, and niggaz who could make good beatz and only used the hi hat like a real instrument end up having to dumb-down their tracks to meet the demand. but I wouldn't call it the South's Boom Bap and it definitely wasn't around in the mid-80's early 90's, becuz niggaz I know down south was making beats like the West Coast and Miami Bass(with 5 octaves..lol) for the most part.

Let me school some of these young niggas sbout the south and their style which 2 live crew help started. First of all Early mid West Coast electro rap influence the southern sound.

All 2 Live Crew members except Luke Skyyywalker is from the west coast. 2 live crew is from L.A., they was influence by Jimmy Critter, Egyptian Lover, Uncle Jams Army and all that electro rap that was running So Cal. 2 Live Crew was a west coast group first

playing devils advocate, where do you think that west coast electronic sound came from?

Soulsonic Force - NYC

Newcleus - NYC

Man Parrish - NYC

Hashim - NYC

Ice T - NYC/NJ (ooooooooooooooooooo)

but to fuck it up with the combo breaker:

Cybotron - Detroit

A Number Of Names - Detroit

That Electro rap shit took the fuck off in LA tho and stayed there longer than anywhere else on the map.

Don't forget that I dropped this on y'all a while back:

Peep the joint on the right.

Close but see west coast hip hop was and is funk first, we was funkin and boogalooin the West coast electro sound was a combination mixture of funk, prince influence new wave and kreftwreck and just added on to what soul sonic force was doing

Who also was in the mixture of west coast electro rap