Old Heads, how many of y'all accepted that today's hip hop had passed you by?

[OGClarenceBoddicker]

I look at the shit on a technical level since I was once an aspiring MC, I've DJ'ed, and currently an on-again-off-again producer.

The structure of today's rhymes is about as elementary as it gets without directly quoting Mother Goose. Listen to the shit that was on the radio from '88 to about '97 and compare it to the joints you hear today. I'd go so far as to say that a cat like Vanilla Ice could battle all of these rappers out today and would prolly slaughter 80% of them.

The over reliance on hooks, the simplifying of similes, rhyme patterns that don't change from one artist to the next (we used to think biting a style was wack in my day), to not even trying to find words that rhyme makes todays MC's skills sub-par at best. Punchlines are now a single word at the end of a mostly silent bar 'cause anything more would lose your audience's attention.

The mechanics if it all are just fucked up.

Production-wise, we moved away from sample-heavy joints, but what most tracks nowadays lack is structure and the soul that we had from those old joints. The tracks nowadays take center stage barely giving the MC a chance to breathe on his own. You have to struggle to hear the rapper over the instrumentals! Retarded high hat builds, synths drowning out everything, layered to the point where even they fight for space and the fact that most of these cats use the same presets on their tracks without even tweaking them makes for a bland, dull repetitive sonic sound scape that sorely lacks in creativity.

I know that, at one point, hip hop relied on the same ass samples (funky drummer, impeach the president, skull snaps, Nautilus, etc), but as a whole we moved away from that, or got far more creative in flippin those samples to the point where no two tracks that used the same sample sounded alike. This, sadly, is not the case these days. Most of the club anthems use the same drum patterns with very little variation in anything.

I don't like the current crop of rappers not because I don't understand it, I do... probably a lot better than most would ever admit. I don't like it because it just doesn't sound good. There's a few cats that show promise, I'll admit that, but those MC's are few and far between.

I swear I hear this same sound in songs, it's a high hat and it goes, "tttt tttttt"

You mean the South's Boom Bap

Shit been a Southern staple since the 80s, only difference now is niggas aint got no choice but to recognize or notice it since no other region's sound is relevant

My nigga, I lived in the Sip my last few years in high school. All this down south, east and west coast is a bunch of bullshit. IF a nigga can't recognize good music from any region he just a wack ass fuck nigga anyway. And no, that sound was not in all southern records homie, not at all

I know it wasn't, I didn't say that, I said it was a staple, them shits been around for 20+ years, it gotta be det, they just didn't sound the same, but a couple a weeks ago I also said Southern Hip Hop was diverse, which brings me to acknowledge most Houston(or damn near Southern rappers in general) had more of a slowed down West Coast sound until it evolved down into more of a Southern sound of their own (that mostly came from the drums, especially in Memphis, listen to some old DJ Zirk it sound like Dr. Dre G-funk synths over slowed down Lex Luger 808s and hi-hats)

That Texas sound(Cant put nobody above the Geto Boys in discussions like this) they had on that side of the South eventually moved over this way to the Sip and Bama thats why you get countrier slower sounds today from these states like KRIT and KD but still get niggas like Doe B and Eldorado Red(even though that nigga from fuckin HoustAtlantaVegas) that might turn up on a record in relation to the more up-beat sounds of Memphis, Atlanta, and Miami

What years was you down here? Who yall useta fuck wit?

 

[king hassan]

I look at the shit on a technical level since I was once an aspiring MC, I've DJ'ed, and currently an on-again-off-again producer.

The structure of today's rhymes is about as elementary as it gets without directly quoting Mother Goose. Listen to the shit that was on the radio from '88 to about '97 and compare it to the joints you hear today. I'd go so far as to say that a cat like Vanilla Ice could battle all of these rappers out today and would prolly slaughter 80% of them.

The over reliance on hooks, the simplifying of similes, rhyme patterns that don't change from one artist to the next (we used to think biting a style was wack in my day), to not even trying to find words that rhyme makes todays MC's skills sub-par at best. Punchlines are now a single word at the end of a mostly silent bar 'cause anything more would lose your audience's attention.

The mechanics if it all are just fucked up.

Production-wise, we moved away from sample-heavy joints, but what most tracks nowadays lack is structure and the soul that we had from those old joints. The tracks nowadays take center stage barely giving the MC a chance to breathe on his own. You have to struggle to hear the rapper over the instrumentals! Retarded high hat builds, synths drowning out everything, layered to the point where even they fight for space and the fact that most of these cats use the same presets on their tracks without even tweaking them makes for a bland, dull repetitive sonic sound scape that sorely lacks in creativity.

I know that, at one point, hip hop relied on the same ass samples (funky drummer, impeach the president, skull snaps, Nautilus, etc), but as a whole we moved away from that, or got far more creative in flippin those samples to the point where no two tracks that used the same sample sounded alike. This, sadly, is not the case these days. Most of the club anthems use the same drum patterns with very little variation in anything.

I don't like the current crop of rappers not because I don't understand it, I do... probably a lot better than most would ever admit. I don't like it because it just doesn't sound good. There's a few cats that show promise, I'll admit that, but those MC's are few and far between.

I swear I hear this same sound in songs, it's a high hat and it goes, "tttt tttttt"

You mean the South's Boom Bap

Shit been a Southern staple since the 80s, only difference now is niggas aint got no choice but to recognize or notice it since no other region's sound is relevant

My nigga, I lived in the Sip my last few years in high school. All this down south, east and west coast is a bunch of bullshit. IF a nigga can't recognize good music from any region he just a wack ass fuck nigga anyway. And no, that sound was not in all southern records homie, not at all

I know it wasn't, I didn't say that, I said it was a staple, them shits been around for 20+ years, it gotta be det, they just didn't sound the same, but a couple a weeks ago I also said Southern Hip Hop was diverse, which brings me to acknowledge most Houston(or damn near Southern rappers in general) had more of a slowed down West Coast sound until it evolved down into more of a Southern sound of their own (that mostly came from the drums, especially in Memphis, listen to some old DJ Zirk it sound like Dr. Dre G-funk synths over slowed down Lex Luger 808s and hi-hats)

That Texas sound(Cant put nobody above the Geto Boys in discussions like this) they had on that side of the South eventually moved over this way to the Sip and Bama thats why you get countrier slower sounds today from these states like KRIT and KD but still get niggas like Doe B and Eldorado Red(even though that nigga from fuckin HoustAtlantaVegas) that might turn up on a record in relation to the more up-beat sounds of Memphis, Atlanta, and Miami

What years was you down here? Who yall useta fuck wit?

87-91. And everybody got fucked with. East coast to west, Florida cats, Rap A Lot of Course, but also remember rap did'nt have a 100 million artists at that time either. Personally I hate that East Coast, West Coast, Down South beef going on, and being a dj with tons of records and I've heard tons of songs, that shit is dis heartening to me.

 

[twatgetta]

LOL @ Disco Rap...classic. This should be the name of this era.

@zombie

 

[OGClarenceBoddicker]

Fila Fresh and Raheem aint the type of sound I was talkin about but of course that was what it was in the mid 80s but just cuz they used those instruments dont mean it they used it in the way I was talkin about, bout to sound like a snot nose punk but they just sound like generic 80s hip hop to me, now that MC Shy D you posted was a lot closer to what I was referrin to, but that nigga is considered to be a Miami Bass artist so I don't kno what that point was

I don't understand this part because I clearly gave credit where credit was due

Tweets and hi-hats, that doubled up sound. The shit come from Miami Bass, New Orleans Bounce, and Memphis Buck(ALL DUE RESPECT TO AFRIKA BAMBATTA/SHOW BOYZ DRAG RAP/RODNEY O AND JOE COOLEY, NIGGAS LAID THE BLUEPRINT)

You still don't get it... It was all in use before there was ever such a thing as bounce or buck.



And I did not say we created the sound, I said the sound was a staple of Southern Hip Hop and I dont see how that could be argued

I look at the shit on a technical level since I was once an aspiring MC, I've DJ'ed, and currently an on-again-off-again producer.

The structure of today's rhymes is about as elementary as it gets without directly quoting Mother Goose. Listen to the shit that was on the radio from '88 to about '97 and compare it to the joints you hear today. I'd go so far as to say that a cat like Vanilla Ice could battle all of these rappers out today and would prolly slaughter 80% of them.

The over reliance on hooks, the simplifying of similes, rhyme patterns that don't change from one artist to the next (we used to think biting a style was wack in my day), to not even trying to find words that rhyme makes todays MC's skills sub-par at best. Punchlines are now a single word at the end of a mostly silent bar 'cause anything more would lose your audience's attention.

The mechanics if it all are just fucked up.

Production-wise, we moved away from sample-heavy joints, but what most tracks nowadays lack is structure and the soul that we had from those old joints. The tracks nowadays take center stage barely giving the MC a chance to breathe on his own. You have to struggle to hear the rapper over the instrumentals! Retarded high hat builds, synths drowning out everything, layered to the point where even they fight for space and the fact that most of these cats use the same presets on their tracks without even tweaking them makes for a bland, dull repetitive sonic sound scape that sorely lacks in creativity.

I know that, at one point, hip hop relied on the same ass samples (funky drummer, impeach the president, skull snaps, Nautilus, etc), but as a whole we moved away from that, or got far more creative in flippin those samples to the point where no two tracks that used the same sample sounded alike. This, sadly, is not the case these days. Most of the club anthems use the same drum patterns with very little variation in anything.

I don't like the current crop of rappers not because I don't understand it, I do... probably a lot better than most would ever admit. I don't like it because it just doesn't sound good. There's a few cats that show promise, I'll admit that, but those MC's are few and far between.

I swear I hear this same sound in songs, it's a high hat and it goes, "tttt tttttt"

You mean the South's Boom Bap

Shit been a Southern staple since the 80s, only difference now is niggas aint got no choice but to recognize or notice it since no other region's sound is relevant

Naw bruh, just naw... That shit didn't appear out the south until the mid to late 90's. We listened to the shit from the south back in the late 80's and early 90's. Closest I can remember having anything like that was Lil Elt "Get The Gat", maybe Tim Smooth's shit but even then it wasn't too different from any other 808 driven shit from Beastie Boys, Run DMC, or especially Too $hort.

Dead at late 90s you disqualified yoself and im playin myself for even replyin but I will

DJ Spanish Fly, DJ Magic Mike, 2 Live Crew just to name a few from the late 80s. The shit been in Memphis, Miami, and New Orleans foreva, of course it wuddnt no swag, flex, finesse type attitude to run wit it like it is today but the tweets was still there.

The style of music that was coming out of Miami and the rest of the south didn't have the rapid-fire hats like they do now, it's completely different due to the way it was programmed back then vs now. Go back and listen to old Magic Mike, DJ Laz, Dynamix II, Maggotron Crew, or DJ Fury, shit is a lot different than the shit you hear today.

The talk of "808's" these past couple of years since Lex Luger took off don confused me. I always interpreted "808's" to be basslines, not treble, most of you niggas refer to tweets and hi-hats as "808" I dont understand, so i'm lost right there.

We refer to the 808 as a complete instrument. This means the kick drum, snare, clap, hats, toms, sidestick, and the cowbell. All of those sounds make up the 808 and they're all instantly recognizable as such.

Tweets and hi-hats, that doubled up sound. The shit come from Miami Bass, New Orleans Bounce, and Memphis Buck(ALL DUE RESPECT TO AFRIKA BAMBATTA/SHOW BOYZ DRAG RAP/RODNEY O AND JOE COOLEY, NIGGAS LAID THE BLUEPRINT)

You still don't get it... It was all in use before there was ever such a thing as bounce or buck.

You can hear the sound from just about any Southern rapper from any decade, it just aint all crazy sped up and definitely not sped the fuck up like it is today, even though Triple 6 had summa they shit crazy sped up like today since about 93-94

^^^ These southern rappers from the 80's disagree with you.

and @ the bolded: That's what I'm talking about. Just because cats in the south used the 808 sounds themselves, does not mean the sound we're talking about originated there in the timeframe you're saying (the late 80's). The way it's done now started in the mid to late 90's. In the 80's, southern rappers were doing the same shit with the 808 that Rick Rubin was doing on Run DMC, LL Cool J, and Beastie Boy records.

And Too Short dem my niggas but they aint have that bass waingin and wammin like Miami Bass artists

and beastie boys, mc shan, run dmc(sucker mcs is hand claps a sum shit) and them niggas sho aint have them tweets like Miami Bass

have another listen.

 

[king hassan]

I used to have that "Raheem" Vigalante on cassette

 

[twatgetta]

@SwampNigga

that "ttttt-tttttt" shit you hear is form of hi-hat style created by niggas, who for the most part, couldn't really make no beats and used it to cover up their lack of good beat making. problem is,, the shit caught on bigtime and street niggaz felll in love with that shit, and niggaz who could make good beatz and only used the hi hat like a real instrument end up having to dumb-down their tracks to meet the demand. but I wouldn't call it the South's Boom Bap and it definitely wasn't around in the mid-80's early 90's, becuz niggaz I know down south was making beats like the West Coast and Miami Bass(with 5 octaves..lol) for the most part.

 

[konceptjones]

I used to have that "Raheem" Vigalante on cassette

so did I. I had Dance Floor on 12" vinyl too but lef it on the floor in my bedroom and accidentally stepped on it in the middle of the night.

 

[lamontbdc]

in terms of high hat yall talking bout this right? just making sure i'm not confused b/c this shit ain't no staple of southern hip hop in the 80s, and this isn't no boom bap

We talkin bout Rap music doe not Jazz a whateva that is

It would be ridiculous for a Hip Hop fan to NOT relate 808s and hi-hats to Southern Hip Hop

Nigga what? High hat is high hat regardless of genre. It's the same sound

 

[twatgetta]

Raheem the Vigilante is a Dirty South classic. The Curators of Hip Hop need to know the truth.

 

[bankrupt baller]

these threads are always made to upset the "old head".....but its always the young bucks catching feelings....every single time.

 

[RanchWheatThin]

Im probably the oldest person on this forum and i was already 'old' during the golden era of rap from the 90s thru the mid 2000s and i absolutely loved it and i dont like this new auto tuned techno stuff at all! I kind of equate the 80s music with what is going on now: electronic, annoying beats and shallow, materialistic messages.

 

[lamontbdc]

Raheem the Vigilante is a Dirty South classic. The Curators of Hip Hop need to know the truth.

yea my uncle put me on to old that old rap a lot shit

No Joe, Jon Bido, and Mike Dean held shit down Then Pimp c came up under them. Tmixx for sauve house was nice too.

 

[OGClarenceBoddicker]

in terms of high hat yall talking bout this right? just making sure i'm not confused b/c this shit ain't no staple of southern hip hop in the 80s, and this isn't no boom bap

We talkin bout Rap music doe not Jazz a whateva that is

It would be ridiculous for a Hip Hop fan to NOT relate 808s and hi-hats to Southern Hip Hop

Nigga what? High hat is high hat regardless of genre. It's the same sound

Even still this thread nor this message board is dedicated to the regarlessness of genre, its rap music

@SwampNigga

that "ttttt-tttttt" shit you hear is form of hi-hat style created by niggas, who for the most part, couldn't really make no beats and used it to cover up their lack of good beat making. problem is,, the shit caught on bigtime and street niggaz felll in love with that shit, and niggaz who could make good beatz and only used the hi hat like a real instrument end up having to dumb-down their tracks to meet the demand. but I wouldn't call it the South's Boom Bap and it definitely wasn't around in the mid-80's early 90's, becuz niggaz I know down south was making beats like the West Coast and Miami Bass(with 5 octaves..lol) for the most part.

I would and I am

p.s. this is 87 bruh, really?

 

[waterproof]

Im going to put it like this, im an so called old head i had my hands in all the elements, hip hop is my culture, i am hip hop, i lived it, slept it. I am the culture i will be like those old head jazz heads in their 70s still reppin the jazz culture, still speak it and live it, we just don't fuck with culture stealers and wack shit

 

[Kwan Dai]

in terms of high hat yall talking bout this right? just making sure i'm not confused b/c this shit ain't no staple of southern hip hop in the 80s, and this isn't no boom bap

We talkin bout Rap music doe not Jazz a whateva that is

It would be ridiculous for a Hip Hop fan to NOT relate 808s and hi-hats to Southern Hip Hop

Nigga what? High hat is high hat regardless of genre. It's the same sound

Not to mention just about every if not all drum machines used in Hip Hop from the Lynn, to the SP1200, and the TR808 all used the 808 drum kit. How ironic that in a thread about old heads you got guys in here telling old heads what went on at the inception and creation of Hip Hop.

Remember when D-Nice titled himself as the TR808? LMAO!!!

 

[Kwan Dai]

Raheem the Vigilante is a Dirty South classic. The Curators of Hip Hop need to know the truth.

I gotta admit never heard of the homey until today. But keep it 100 he sounds like LL rhyming over Kool Moe Dee's Teddy Riley produced beats.

 

[king hassan]

@KonceptJones. Help me out here, it's a old house track that used that "high hat" sound I'm talking about, sounded like that hi hat and a wood block. They used to play it with Stevie Wonder's "All I Do" all time, it was a high hat and a kick drum. It's a real rare record, my homie paid 200 bucks for the wax

 

[lamontbdc]

in terms of high hat yall talking bout this right? just making sure i'm not confused b/c this shit ain't no staple of southern hip hop in the 80s, and this isn't no boom bap

We talkin bout Rap music doe not Jazz a whateva that is

It would be ridiculous for a Hip Hop fan to NOT relate 808s and hi-hats to Southern Hip Hop

Nigga what? High hat is high hat regardless of genre. It's the same sound

Not to mention just about every if not all drum machines used in Hip Hop from the Lynn, to the SP1200, and the TR808 all used the 808 drum kit. How ironic that in a thread about old heads you got guys in here telling old heads what went on at the inception and creation of Hip Hop.

Remember when D-Nice titled himself as the TR808? LMAO!!!

exactly this shit is laughable

 

[konceptjones]

Im probably the oldest person on this forum and i was already 'old' during the golden era of rap from the 90s thru the mid 2000s and i absolutely loved it and i dont like this new auto tuned techno stuff at all! I kind of equate the 80s music with what is going on now: electronic, annoying beats and shallow, materialistic messages.

cut that back some years. The "Golden Era" was from about '87 to the mid-late 90's. Some would say only until the early 90's but that's the only real debate.

And... I REALLY doubt you're the oldest person here judging from your descriptions.

 

[waterproof]

@SwampNigga

that "ttttt-tttttt" shit you hear is form of hi-hat style created by niggas, who for the most part, couldn't really make no beats and used it to cover up their lack of good beat making. problem is,, the shit caught on bigtime and street niggaz felll in love with that shit, and niggaz who could make good beatz and only used the hi hat like a real instrument end up having to dumb-down their tracks to meet the demand. but I wouldn't call it the South's Boom Bap and it definitely wasn't around in the mid-80's early 90's, becuz niggaz I know down south was making beats like the West Coast and Miami Bass(with 5 octaves..lol) for the most part.

Let me school some of these young niggas sbout the south and their style which 2 live crew help started. First of all Early mid West Coast electro rap influence the southern sound.

All 2 Live Crew members except Luke Skyyywalker is from the west coast. 2 live crew is from L.A., they was influence by Jimmy Critter, Egyptian Lover, Uncle Jams Army and all that electro rap that was running So Cal. 2 Live Crew was a west coast group first