Old article: Obama’s scolding tone with black audiences is getting old...and a few comments

[2stepz_ahead]

It seems like no one wants to have a mirror put to our collective problems. Everything in the black community is great, right?? At some point, we have to start looking at ourselves and saying how can we improve ourselves from within. Why is it that the first thing we say when blacks bring up things we've done is "well, u ain't saying this to whites". The fuck?? When have whites ever did anything to help us??

It's niggas on this site with multiple baby mommas, extensive criminal records, pimps, gang members, etc but genuinely ask what can another man (the president) do for them. How about u improve your situation for you and your immediate family? It's niggas that I grew up with that's still in the same condition they were in from high school. No one can give u drive. But it's these sensitive ass Drake generation that can't take criticism.

Niggas stay complaining about what Obama didn't do but they didn't go out and vote for democratic representatives to help put legislation through Congress. Y'all the same niggas that's gone ask why Westbrook can't win a championship this year with no real help lol. Y'all got it. I'm off my soap box. Catch feelings....

fact is at one point he had a problem with his messaging to the blk community

his tone was at times paternalistic and condescending.....different from when he spoke to other audiences

it matters and is problematic because it perpetuated the myth that blk ppl, blk culture does not value education same as non blks and is more morally bankrupt than other cultures, races

framing blks as deficient and pathological

given that he was the president of the united states and his words reach millions of ppl, it was problematic

fukk those people...

those people are not important

its condescending if you take it that way....it seems like he cant give food for thought.

case and point...right now its a drug problem in white areas...when a politician says they want to clean up the streets...we obviously know they aint talking north philly. cause its been that way. so we know it aint for us. its for them.

crazy how we can separate shit when we want to ....until it comes to someone who looks like us.

 

[MarcusGarvey]

We scold because we love. If you don't give a shit you don't waste your breath.

this is simple yet the most powerful post in the history of the IC.

the perspective of the person receiving it will take it as looking down on them because their mindframe is fukked up.

if you know someone wants better for you...you will take it as encouragement

But couldn't people who are scolding Obama say they are scolding him because we love

Obama has been where they are...they have not been where he is.

he can say what it takes to get out

those people cant tell him how to do better.

When was he where they are?

Even with his father gone, he still had familial help that most of those he was talking to don't

Grandmother was VP at a bank, he was at a private school

 

[2stepz_ahead]

As a representative of the US government he also had a responsibility to fix what was contributing to these pathologies. But then he'd say "change is slow"

change is slow....it takes time....he has to fix a country.

we as black people can fix ourselves. and the start date was yesterday

 

[ghostdog56]

We scold because we love. If you don't give a shit you don't waste your breath.

this is simple yet the most powerful post in the history of the IC.

the perspective of the person receiving it will take it as looking down on them because their mindframe is fukked up.

if you know someone wants better for you...you will take it as encouragement

But couldn't people who are scolding Obama say they are scolding him because we love

Obama has been where they are...they have not been where he is.

he can say what it takes to get out

those people cant tell him how to do better.

Been where? He didn't come from the background of the type of people he is talking about

 

[2stepz_ahead]

It seems like no one wants to have a mirror put to our collective problems. Everything in the black community is great, right?? At some point, we have to start looking at ourselves and saying how can we improve ourselves from within. Why is it that the first thing we say when blacks bring up things we've done is "well, u ain't saying this to whites". The fuck?? When have whites ever did anything to help us??

It's niggas on this site with multiple baby mommas, extensive criminal records, pimps, gang members, etc but genuinely ask what can another man (the president) do for them. How about u improve your situation for you and your immediate family? It's niggas that I grew up with that's still in the same condition they were in from high school. No one can give u drive. But it's these sensitive ass Drake generation that can't take criticism.

Niggas stay complaining about what Obama didn't do but they didn't go out and vote for democratic representatives to help put legislation through Congress. Y'all the same niggas that's gone ask why Westbrook can't win a championship this year with no real help lol. Y'all got it. I'm off my soap box. Catch feelings....

fact is at one point he had a problem with his messaging to the blk community

his tone was at times paternalistic and condescending.....different from when he spoke to other audiences

it matters and is problematic because it perpetuated the myth that blk ppl, blk culture does not value education same as non blks and is more morally bankrupt than other cultures, races

framing blks as deficient and pathological

given that he was the president of the united states and his words reach millions of ppl, it was problematic

So then we as a community need to be pacified?? He's a black man that, contrary to some peoples opinion, understands black plight in America. Being a successful black man in america and leader of the free world at the time, I think his opinion on things would matter. But I'll take the bait: how should a black man address black people about black problems? Given your profile name, I assume you're a black woman. Speak on it....

i refuse to be pacified.

i often bring this up....all this tough talk, beat a nigga ass...record a chick being beat up, shoot up the mall, i bust my guns...nigga wont punk me, im not a bitch talk....im from bedstuy the toughest of the tough hood and i walk around at 1am with a pocket full of money an no one will touch me because i got respect in these street....

where is all that shit?

you mean to tell me, a few words hurt? a few words about bettering your situation is offensive? not the niggas gunning for you cuz you wear red..not the latin kings or the tainos...but saying turn off the tv...that hurts and is offensive?

for you sensitive niggas.....this aint all black people.

feel better?

 

[ghostdog56]

It seems like no one wants to have a mirror put to our collective problems. Everything in the black community is great, right?? At some point, we have to start looking at ourselves and saying how can we improve ourselves from within. Why is it that the first thing we say when blacks bring up things we've done is "well, u ain't saying this to whites". The fuck?? When have whites ever did anything to help us??

It's niggas on this site with multiple baby mommas, extensive criminal records, pimps, gang members, etc but genuinely ask what can another man (the president) do for them. How about u improve your situation for you and your immediate family? It's niggas that I grew up with that's still in the same condition they were in from high school. No one can give u drive. But it's these sensitive ass Drake generation that can't take criticism.

Niggas stay complaining about what Obama didn't do but they didn't go out and vote for democratic representatives to help put legislation through Congress. Y'all the same niggas that's gone ask why Westbrook can't win a championship this year with no real help lol. Y'all got it. I'm off my soap box. Catch feelings....

fact is at one point he had a problem with his messaging to the blk community

his tone was at times paternalistic and condescending.....different from when he spoke to other audiences

it matters and is problematic because it perpetuated the myth that blk ppl, blk culture does not value education same as non blks and is more morally bankrupt than other cultures, races

framing blks as deficient and pathological

given that he was the president of the united states and his words reach millions of ppl, it was problematic

So then we as a community need to be pacified?? He's a black man that, contrary to some peoples opinion, understands black plight in America. Being a successful black man in america and leader of the free world at the time, I think his opinion on things would matter. But I'll take the bait: how should a black man address black people about black problems? Given your profile name, I assume you're a black woman. Speak on it....

How does he understand the plight of black Americans? He comes from an immigrant father and a white mother he has no connection to black Americans history other than skin color

 

[2stepz_ahead]

We scold because we love. If you don't give a shit you don't waste your breath.

this is simple yet the most powerful post in the history of the IC.

the perspective of the person receiving it will take it as looking down on them because their mindframe is fukked up.

if you know someone wants better for you...you will take it as encouragement

But couldn't people who are scolding Obama say they are scolding him because we love

Obama has been where they are...they have not been where he is.

he can say what it takes to get out

those people cant tell him how to do better.

When was he where they are?

Even with his father gone, he still had familial help that most of those he was talking to don't

Grandmother was VP at a bank, he was at a private school

but hes still a black man.

all that shit dont matter.

his background dont matter.

hes still a black man that needed to walk the walk that was his to take.

and he took it.

i often see on this site and hear dudes in my old hood...talk about how we are stopped from doing this and that.

but can you really speak on it if you never tried?

we can not live in the shadow or failures of other black men.

we are individuals, and we each have talents someone else might not have.

as much as i travel...i see that black men can dominate shit...if

IF they only step outside the box and the limits placed on us by want nothing ass peers.

 

[7figz]

I don't know how else to explain it to y'all.

It sounds like y'all are saying that people who lecture (based on stereotypes) can be indiscriminate about it, and any Black man should have the "patience of Job" listening to said lectures, even if it doesn't refer to them.

I don't see it that way. For instance, what if there wasn't one Black guy in the room who had a BM, and instead several who had been assaulted by police ? You really think they should just sit back and take a lecture about the stereotype you have for Black men, in stride ?

If so, that's your business. I don't have time for that shit.

And if MFs don't see the harm caused by assuming that all Black people do some negative shit, or always talking about that, instead of positive /responsible shit we doing - then I don't know what to tell you either.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

We scold because we love. If you don't give a shit you don't waste your breath.

this is simple yet the most powerful post in the history of the IC.

the perspective of the person receiving it will take it as looking down on them because their mindframe is fukked up.

if you know someone wants better for you...you will take it as encouragement

But couldn't people who are scolding Obama say they are scolding him because we love

Obama has been where they are...they have not been where he is.

he can say what it takes to get out

those people cant tell him how to do better.

Been where? He didn't come from the background of the type of people he is talking about

was he not in chicago?

do you have to struggle to know what it is to be a black man?

whats the difference between a black man from hawaii and a black man from chicago?

nothing

 

[manofmorehouse]

It seems like no one wants to have a mirror put to our collective problems. Everything in the black community is great, right?? At some point, we have to start looking at ourselves and saying how can we improve ourselves from within. Why is it that the first thing we say when blacks bring up things we've done is "well, u ain't saying this to whites". The fuck?? When have whites ever did anything to help us??

It's niggas on this site with multiple baby mommas, extensive criminal records, pimps, gang members, etc but genuinely ask what can another man (the president) do for them. How about u improve your situation for you and your immediate family? It's niggas that I grew up with that's still in the same condition they were in from high school. No one can give u drive. But it's these sensitive ass Drake generation that can't take criticism.

Niggas stay complaining about what Obama didn't do but they didn't go out and vote for democratic representatives to help put legislation through Congress. Y'all the same niggas that's gone ask why Westbrook can't win a championship this year with no real help lol. Y'all got it. I'm off my soap box. Catch feelings....

fact is at one point he had a problem with his messaging to the blk community

his tone was at times paternalistic and condescending.....different from when he spoke to other audiences

it matters and is problematic because it perpetuated the myth that blk ppl, blk culture does not value education same as non blks and is more morally bankrupt than other cultures, races

framing blks as deficient and pathological

given that he was the president of the united states and his words reach millions of ppl, it was problematic

So then we as a community need to be pacified?? He's a black man that, contrary to some peoples opinion, understands black plight in America. Being a successful black man in america and leader of the free world at the time, I think his opinion on things would matter. But I'll take the bait: how should a black man address black people about black problems? Given your profile name, I assume you're a black woman. Speak on it....

i refuse to be pacified.

i often bring this up....all this tough talk, beat a nigga ass...record a chick being beat up, shoot up the mall, i bust my guns...nigga wont punk me, im not a bitch talk....im from bedstuy the toughest of the tough hood and i walk around at 1am with a pocket full of money an no one will touch me because i got respect in these street....

where is all that shit?

you mean to tell me, a few words hurt? a few words about bettering your situation is offensive? not the niggas gunning for you cuz you wear red..not the latin kings or the tainos...but saying turn off the tv...that hurts and is offensive?

for you sensitive niggas.....this aint all black people.

feel better?

100. It's alot of us waiting for outside help when we acknowledge everyday that that outside help ain't coming. We're in a position everyday to change our circumstances. Life is about choices u make, plain and simple. Pointing this out isn't talking down to folks. It's passing down possible solutions. We either are going to fix us or keep perishing.

 

[5th Letter]

My only issue with Obama was him not doing anything about these race soldiers unjustly killing black people. Imagine if we had an Asian, Jewish, or gay president and we see race soldiers murdering any of those groups at the rate black people were getting murdered, and them not doing anything to help their own. They would've done something about that shit. And if Obama can give criticism of the black community then I can give criticism about his presidency.

two different things....

those groups are a unit....we are a unit when its convenient and even then we have assholes who want to be mavericks.

Obama had a very hard job and I understand the bigger picture.

cut him some slack

He didn't cut us any slack when he sat up there and called black kids "thugs" after the Baltimore uprising, nor did he cut us slack whenever he got on his soapbox to criticize black people. Nor did he cut us slack when he saw black people get slaughtered by race soldiers and did nothing about it. Like I said before if he can criticize black people then I can criticize him.

 

[MarcusGarvey]

We scold because we love. If you don't give a shit you don't waste your breath.

this is simple yet the most powerful post in the history of the IC.

the perspective of the person receiving it will take it as looking down on them because their mindframe is fukked up.

if you know someone wants better for you...you will take it as encouragement

But couldn't people who are scolding Obama say they are scolding him because we love

Obama has been where they are...they have not been where he is.

he can say what it takes to get out

those people cant tell him how to do better.

Been where? He didn't come from the background of the type of people he is talking about

was he not in chicago?

do you have to struggle to know what it is to be a black man?

whats the difference between a black man from hawaii and a black man from chicago?

nothing

Don't be naive

I get your point but you're a missing ours

 

[manofmorehouse]

It seems like no one wants to have a mirror put to our collective problems. Everything in the black community is great, right?? At some point, we have to start looking at ourselves and saying how can we improve ourselves from within. Why is it that the first thing we say when blacks bring up things we've done is "well, u ain't saying this to whites". The fuck?? When have whites ever did anything to help us??

It's niggas on this site with multiple baby mommas, extensive criminal records, pimps, gang members, etc but genuinely ask what can another man (the president) do for them. How about u improve your situation for you and your immediate family? It's niggas that I grew up with that's still in the same condition they were in from high school. No one can give u drive. But it's these sensitive ass Drake generation that can't take criticism.

Niggas stay complaining about what Obama didn't do but they didn't go out and vote for democratic representatives to help put legislation through Congress. Y'all the same niggas that's gone ask why Westbrook can't win a championship this year with no real help lol. Y'all got it. I'm off my soap box. Catch feelings....

fact is at one point he had a problem with his messaging to the blk community

his tone was at times paternalistic and condescending.....different from when he spoke to other audiences

it matters and is problematic because it perpetuated the myth that blk ppl, blk culture does not value education same as non blks and is more morally bankrupt than other cultures, races

framing blks as deficient and pathological

given that he was the president of the united states and his words reach millions of ppl, it was problematic

So then we as a community need to be pacified?? He's a black man that, contrary to some peoples opinion, understands black plight in America. Being a successful black man in america and leader of the free world at the time, I think his opinion on things would matter. But I'll take the bait: how should a black man address black people about black problems? Given your profile name, I assume you're a black woman. Speak on it....

How does he understand the plight of black Americans? He comes from an immigrant father and a white mother he has no connection to black Americans history other than skin color

U really assume that just cause you're biracial or come from money as a black man, your experience to racism isn't the same?? Of course, he knows the plight of African americans. He was a fucking community organizer in Chicago, one of the few blacks at occidental and Harvard, and had just finished paying off his student loans before he became senator. Just cause he ain't eating cereal with a fork don't make him any less black than u, playboy

 

[ghostdog56]

We scold because we love. If you don't give a shit you don't waste your breath.

this is simple yet the most powerful post in the history of the IC.

the perspective of the person receiving it will take it as looking down on them because their mindframe is fukked up.

if you know someone wants better for you...you will take it as encouragement

But couldn't people who are scolding Obama say they are scolding him because we love

Obama has been where they are...they have not been where he is.

he can say what it takes to get out

those people cant tell him how to do better.

Been where? He didn't come from the background of the type of people he is talking about

was he not in chicago?

do you have to struggle to know what it is to be a black man?

whats the difference between a black man from hawaii and a black man from chicago?

nothing

But how can a person speak on the conditions of someone struggling if they never struggled themselves?

 

[2stepz_ahead]

It seems like no one wants to have a mirror put to our collective problems. Everything in the black community is great, right?? At some point, we have to start looking at ourselves and saying how can we improve ourselves from within. Why is it that the first thing we say when blacks bring up things we've done is "well, u ain't saying this to whites". The fuck?? When have whites ever did anything to help us??

It's niggas on this site with multiple baby mommas, extensive criminal records, pimps, gang members, etc but genuinely ask what can another man (the president) do for them. How about u improve your situation for you and your immediate family? It's niggas that I grew up with that's still in the same condition they were in from high school. No one can give u drive. But it's these sensitive ass Drake generation that can't take criticism.

Niggas stay complaining about what Obama didn't do but they didn't go out and vote for democratic representatives to help put legislation through Congress. Y'all the same niggas that's gone ask why Westbrook can't win a championship this year with no real help lol. Y'all got it. I'm off my soap box. Catch feelings....

fact is at one point he had a problem with his messaging to the blk community

his tone was at times paternalistic and condescending.....different from when he spoke to other audiences

it matters and is problematic because it perpetuated the myth that blk ppl, blk culture does not value education same as non blks and is more morally bankrupt than other cultures, races

framing blks as deficient and pathological

given that he was the president of the united states and his words reach millions of ppl, it was problematic

So then we as a community need to be pacified?? He's a black man that, contrary to some peoples opinion, understands black plight in America. Being a successful black man in america and leader of the free world at the time, I think his opinion on things would matter. But I'll take the bait: how should a black man address black people about black problems? Given your profile name, I assume you're a black woman. Speak on it....

How does he understand the plight of black Americans? He comes from an immigrant father and a white mother he has no connection to black Americans history other than skin color

see...here is another problem...

why does he have to live it in order to give advice or want to help?

if you was homeless, would you turn away food or money because someone has never been homeless and doesnt know $5 wont buy much? would you turn away the money?

cmon

we are better than this.

this always turns into the hood vs the hamptons or whos qualified to speak on black matters or who aint real enough or black enough.

at what point will we see that help is help.

take what you need to help you grow.

i personally see the power of my people.

these backgrounds yall so proud of has made you into a soldier that can go anywhere and survive. the shit alot of people live daily and take as normal life...alot of people cant operate in.

your average black man can not be shook easily. the way we carry ourselves, the confidence, the swag the go get it attitude when it comes to certain things.......that shit can not be taught.

our ability to see supply and demand, to not be bullshitted...to have a certain degree of morals.

that what makes us so unique.

that is what makes us leaders.

now the question is ....will you lead your people to the club or to greatness.

i choose to lead you to greatness.

if you want to fight someone....look around an fight the people who are not encouraging you to be the best you ,you can be

 

[manofmorehouse]

We scold because we love. If you don't give a shit you don't waste your breath.

this is simple yet the most powerful post in the history of the IC.

the perspective of the person receiving it will take it as looking down on them because their mindframe is fukked up.

if you know someone wants better for you...you will take it as encouragement

But couldn't people who are scolding Obama say they are scolding him because we love

Obama has been where they are...they have not been where he is.

he can say what it takes to get out

those people cant tell him how to do better.

Been where? He didn't come from the background of the type of people he is talking about

was he not in chicago?

do you have to struggle to know what it is to be a black man?

whats the difference between a black man from hawaii and a black man from chicago?

nothing

But how can a person speak on the conditions of someone struggling if they never struggled themselves?

Bruh, all struggle doesn't have to be financial. You're a black man, I assume. So u should know that. Money wouldn't change how you're perceived in America. C'mon bruh

 

[ghostdog56]

And the difference is a black man from Hawaii more than likely has money to be able to afford to live there. Now if you talking about a rich black man from Chicago then you have a point

 

[MarcusGarvey]

No one is questioning his blackness but we are saying the environment he was raised in was different. it afforded him opportunities the median African American (descendant of a slave) didn't have.

Lineage matters, while his grandmother was VP at a Hawaii bank, on the mainland where would the grandmother of a man his age be working?

How many black families that are descendants of slaves will inherit $500k from their grandmother which means he was getting broke off during his life, how many have the Harvard alum box checked off?

Michelle's story is more in line with the median African American family

 

[2stepz_ahead]

I don't know how else to explain it to y'all.

It sounds like y'all are saying that people who lecture (based on stereotypes) can be indiscriminate about it, and any Black man should have the "patience of Job" listening to said lectures, even if it doesn't refer to them.

I don't see it that way. For instance, what if there wasn't one Black guy in the room who had a BM, and instead several who had been assaulted by police ? You really think they should just sit back and take a lecture about the stereotype you have for Black men, in stride ?

If so, that's your business. I don't have time for that shit.

And if MFs don't see the harm caused by assuming that all Black people do some negative shit, or always talking about that, instead of positive /responsible shit we doing - then I don't know what to tell you either.

unless he said all...they shit dont apply to me.

then i need to stand up and bring attention to the fact i was assaulted and i dont have a bm, and thats what i would like to discuss.

why would you as a man, not try to steer the conversation but sit there and stew and steam over something that doesnt effect you?

maybe its the constant barrage of..black people aint shit form the media has some people mind jaded to think anything and everything is criticism.

 

[manofmorehouse]

No one is questioning his blackness but we are saying the environment he was raised in was different. it afforded him opportunities the median African American (descendant of a slave) didn't have.

Lineage matters, while his grandmother was VP at a Hawaii bank, on the mainland where would the grandmother of a man his age be working?

How many black families that are descendants of slaves will inherit $500k from their grandmother which means he was getting broke off during his life, how many have the Harvard alum box checked off?

Michelle's story is more in line with the median African American family

And Michelle chose Obama. So that either speaks volumes about him or volumes about her. I'll let u determine which is which