OK, So My Older Brother Is Now A Freemason For Real...

[major pain]

Man that's hella vague...

See, this is what I'm saying. And then when people go off on conspiracy, you say they are uneducated, or lack credible research.

Like you're being elusive on purpose.

But yo, the chart says, "THE MOST IMPORTANT MASONIC EMBLEMS."

??????????????????????

You didnt ask me anything specific. You asked me to decipher this picture. There is really nothing to "decipher" here. It is exactly what it looks like it is. A chart of the York and Scottish rites and a couple of other concordant bodies. If you're looking for me to go 1 by 1 and explain each degree and its symbol, I'm not going to do that.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

you were made a mason.... when?

now you're the one taking shit too seriously

by the way, just so all the black posters can take note: the Prince Hall Lodge is STILL considered irregular in the South

this great brotherhood... this brotherhood of man... is still divided by race down in Dixie

if Freemasonry is so baller, why can't they get over racism?

 

[major pain]

now you're the one taking shit too seriously

by the way, just so all the black posters can take note: the Prince Hall Lodge is STILL considered irregular in the South

this great brotherhood... this brotherhood of man... is still divided by race down in Dixie

if Freemasonry is so baller, why can't they get over racism?

No, I'm just correcting you and your attempt at explaining something you dont understand yourself.

Like here, another, post that is simply not true. The "South" does not consider anything irregular. The concept of irregularity comes from a "mother" lodge, as in, the UGLE. Which considers Prince Hall masonry regular. What you are ATTEMPTING to explain is the fact that some (the VAST minority) "mainstream" or "white" lodges do not recognize Prince Hall masonry. That does not make Prince Hall masonry irregular. To add on, men are still men at the end of each day. Like religion, the system isnt the problem, but the corruptible people IN the system are. Maybe you should ask your fellow white man why they still have disdain for the black man?

Care to try again?

 

[The Prime Minister]

You didnt ask me anything specific. You asked me to decipher this picture. There is really nothing to "decipher" here. It is exactly what it looks like it is. A chart of the York and Scottish rites and a couple of other concordant bodies. If you're looking for me to go 1 by 1 and explain each degree and its symbol, I'm not going to do that.

No it is not.

It is an advertisement placed by a jeweler.

Textual analysis my dude....

 

[major pain]

No it is not.

It is an advertisement placed by a jeweler.

Textual analysis my dude....

Yea man. The jeweler would probably make those symbols for someone that wanted to purchase them? You're looking too deeply for something that isnt there...

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Like religion, the system isnt the problem,

Masonic nonsense aside, I will disagree with this point.

The system is actually the problem.

The first proposition of every religious system is "Don't worry about the logic."

This is not good.

Also, WTF is a "vast minority"?

lol

I ask you again: If Freemasonry is good at making good men even better, why does it fail to make so many Southerners stop being racist?

Be honest, bro.

 

[major pain]

Masonic nonsense aside, I will disagree with this point.

The system is actually the problem.

The first proposition of every religious system is "Don't worry about the logic."

This is not good.

Also, WTF is a "vast minority"?

lol

I ask you again: If Freemasonry is good at making good men even better, why does it fail to make so many Southerners stop being racist?

Be honest, bro.

Vast minority, as in, if you poll the entirety of masonic lodges here in the US or even just the "South" you will many more that DO recognize PH than do not. I see how "vast minority" confused you, but you obviously get the point.

There is nothing that can STOP a racist from being racist except for himself. When you have like minded people (racists) that want to bring people into their lodge (more racists) masonry isnt going to change their views of black people, regardless of the message. Its the same as laws making it illegal to racially discriminate against others, does that stop them?

Freemasonry is DESIGNED to make good men better, what the individual MAN does with the design after he is in, is up to that man, and NOT freemasonry. Now, you be honest, why dont you speak to your fellow white man about stopping racism, since you claim to not be racist yourself?

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

There is nothing that can STOP a racist from being racist except for

logic, patience, and exposure to the people he was taught to hate

masonry isnt going to change their views

then what utility does it possess?

laws making it illegal to racially discriminate against others, does that stop them?

yes.

are you saying the civil rights act of 1964 changed nothing? when the PRESIDENT is black now?

howabout the law that made it legal for women to vote?

Freemasonry is DESIGNED

to provide a safe place for deists and religious guys who don't mind talking to members of other religions to hang out and network

though I do wonder how the Muslim Masons take the excessive drinking of the Shriners

Now, you be honest, why dont you speak to your fellow white man about stopping racism, since you claim to not be racist yourself?

All of a sudden you're worried about racism in America when you've officially joined a society that has always endorsed the status quo here.

And you claim to be part of a great "brotherhood of man" yet you can't help but categorize me as a white man among fellow white men.

When in reality, I'm surrounded by Native Americans, whose esoteric orders are as hilarious to me as yours are. But at least theirs involve peyote.

 

[Swiffness!]

logic, patience, and exposure to the people he was taught to hate

then what utility does it possess?

yes.

are you saying the civil rights act of 1964 changed nothing? when the PRESIDENT is black now?

howabout the law that made it legal for women to vote?

to provide a safe place for deists and religious guys who don't mind talking to members of other religions to hang out and network

though I do wonder how the Muslim Masons take the excessive drinking of the Shriners

All of a sudden you're worried about racism in America when you've officially joined a society that has always endorsed the status quo here.

And you claim to be part of a great "brotherhood of man" yet you can't help but categorize me as a white man among fellow white men.

When in reality, I'm surrounded by Native Americans, whose esoteric orders are as hilarious to me as yours are. But at least theirs involve peyote.

Ktulu spittin that real shit.

 

[major pain]

logic, patience, and exposure to the people he was taught to hate

then what utility does it possess?

yes.

are you saying the civil rights act of 1964 changed nothing? when the PRESIDENT is black now?

howabout the law that made it legal for women to vote?

to provide a safe place for deists and religious guys who don't mind talking to members of other religions to hang out and network

though I do wonder how the Muslim Masons take the excessive drinking of the Shriners

All of a sudden you're worried about racism in America when you've officially joined a society that has always endorsed the status quo here.

And you claim to be part of a great "brotherhood of man" yet you can't help but categorize me as a white man among fellow white men.

When in reality, I'm surrounded by Native Americans, whose esoteric orders are as hilarious to me as yours are. But at least theirs involve peyote.

The racist has to be willing to accept those things first. So, its still upon him to make the first step.

Being a mason doesnt mean you automatically are the epitome of a moral citizen. Its an ongoing process.... you think someone waves a stick and all of a sudden we are sinless?

I said LAWS are designed to stop racial discrimination. Racial discrimination still occurs. Thats the correlation I was making. WTF are you talking about?

Dude MANY activists for civil rights have been masons. Show where masonry has endorsed the status quo here.

I brought up you being a white man, because you brought up this silly idea that freemasonry is supposed to change racist's minds. A black man speaking logic to a racist is like talking to a brick wall (eerily similar to this conversation). So, I asked you why dont YOU teach your fellow white (racist) man that racism is not the way? No, not going to try that?

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

The racist has to be willing to accept those things first.

People can be willing to accept all of those, even if they are indoctrinated into racism. Human behavior is quite complex.

Being a mason doesnt mean you automatically are the epitome of a moral citizen. Its an ongoing process.

If your process cannot weed out racists and other such problems, how Grand can it be? LOL

... you think someone waves a stick and all of a sudden we are sinless?

I'm not the one who believes in magic here. LOL

I said LAWS are designed to stop racial discrimination. Racial discrimination still occurs. Thats the correlation I was making. WTF are you talking about?

You said Freemasonry makes good men better, and yet it is perfectly willing to accept racists. Does it make them better racists?

Dude MANY activists for civil rights have been masons.

Name three. That's your favorite number.

Show where masonry has endorsed the status quo here.

lemme facepalm real quick

the first president of the US is the most celebrated American Mason and owned slaves, started wars against Indians, oppressed women, etc. etc.

Albert Pike has been brought up repeatedly and you're afraid to talk about him

Prince Hall isn't cool in the South with the white Masons and you are being deliberately obtuse about it

Freemasonry is exceptionally popular among law enforcement, prison guards, and corrections officers (word to Ricky Rozay LOL)

I brought up you being a white man,

The Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted White Men does not divulge its secrets to black cowans, my nigga.

because you brought up this silly idea that freemasonry is supposed to change racist's minds.

If Freemasonry cannot defeat racism, what good is it in the people's struggle?

A black man speaking logic to a racist is like talking to a brick wall

Do you sincerely believe that not a single racist was compelled to change his mind after the powerful exhortations of the black leadership of the last 50 years?

why dont YOU teach your fellow white (racist) man that racism is not the way?

Like YOU said, slavery was a problem for our organization in the past, baby baaabyyyyy.

You gonna judge all of us by the actions of merely SOME of our predecessors?

Notice how easily the black Mason's allegiance to his "brotherhood of man" is destroyed simply because his superstitions are being questioned by a white man.

I don't blame a black American for having issues with white Americans. But if you're going to claim to be part of a great brotherhood...... LOL

Atheism, reason, and logic FTW.

 

[major pain]

People can be willing to accept all of those, even if they are indoctrinated into racism. Human behavior is quite complex.

If your process cannot weed out racists and other such problems, how Grand can it be? LOL

Initiation is setup to where a person's background is checked and that person interviewed and/or questioned regarding that background. This is done at the local lodge level. If you have a bunch of racists that want to initiate their buddy, then it doesnt matter what its "supposed" to do. Its no different than if you were hiring someone for a job and you hired your friend based on your friendship rather than someone who is more qualified.

I'm not the one who believes in magic here. LOL

You've mentioned this bullshit before and I thought you were just talking shit. Where did you EVER get the idea that we believe in magic?

You said Freemasonry makes good men better, and yet it is perfectly willing to accept racists. Does it make them better racists?

Read the first response here, but this is the third time I've been over that point.

Name three. That's your favorite number.

Mfume, Jesse, WEB Dubois.

lemme facepalm real quick

the first president of the US is the most celebrated American Mason and owned slaves, started wars against Indians, oppressed women, etc. etc.

Albert Pike has been brought up repeatedly and you're afraid to talk about him

What dont you understand about the idea that men are still men regardless of whether or not they are masons? Being a mason does not make you sinless. I know I've said that before. I just addressed Pike when someone else brought him up. WTF are you talking about. People that dont understand how masonry works make more of Pike than need be made. Bring up another point on Pike and I'll acknowledge it too.

Prince Hall isn't cool in the South with the white Masons and you are being deliberately obtuse about it

This is simply not true. There are SOME lodges that do not recognize PH, but that is not the norm nor majority. They have their reasons good or bad and it does not stop or deter PH from anything. So your saying the equivalent of "there are still racist people in the south". Duh?

Freemasonry is exceptionally popular among law enforcement, prison guards, and corrections officers (word to Ricky Rozay LOL)

The point is...?

The Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted White Men does not divulge its secrets to black cowans, my nigga.

Actually Pike, who we'll speak on later, shared his rituals with PH masons to equip them better.

If Freemasonry cannot defeat racism, what good is it in the people's struggle?

It appears that nothing has defeated racism wholly, so why do you expect masonry too?

Do you sincerely believe that not a single racist was compelled to change his mind after the powerful exhortations of the black leadership of the last 50 years?

Defeating one racist is not equivalent to defeating racism. Do better.

Like YOU said, slavery was a problem for our organization in the past, baby baaabyyyyy.

You gonna judge all of us by the actions of merely SOME of our predecessors?

Regarding the notion of a slave being made a mason. Dont take what I said out of context. Obviously, with the abolition of slavery, the qualification of being a free-born man does not apply.

Notice how easily the black Mason's allegiance to his "brotherhood of man" is destroyed simply because his superstitions are being questioned by a white man.

I don't blame a black American for having issues with white Americans. But if you're going to claim to be part of a great brotherhood...... LOL

How have you destroyed anything? You're doing your usual thing around here and like before it wont change a thing about what masonry is and what I think of it.

Atheism, reason, and logic FTW.

Congrats?

 

[biggyboykarl]

One of my best friends is joining in january.

 

[major pain]

one of my best friends is joining in january.

stop him now... Ktulu has shown the way...

 

[Fundz O' Plenty]

Well damn...

Props to Major and Ktulu for the debate.

Very good point and lots of information relayed.

 

[#Kew]

How has being a mason changed y'all? can you give examples?

 

[desertrain10]

my boyfriend is a mason, he never talks about it though

and yes he's a firm believer in God

well the other day while at cvs we ran into a older man

and they got to talking, it was as if they were old friends

come to find out the older man was also a mason

but they had never met before

asked him how he knew, said he just did

i thought that was strange but *shrugs*

 

[The Prime Minister]

How has being a mason changed y'all? can you give examples?

Word.

Major Pain?

The wannabes?

 

[major pain]

Word.

Major Pain?

The wannabes?

It has changed the way I see certain things. I'm much more of a reader than I was before. I actually had forgotten how much I love to read. I'm much more stout in my faith. I've made connections with people based on that being a commonality that we shared. I'm more active in the community. I know some historical things that I would not have looked for before. There are many additions I've made to my life as a result. Not everyone will experience these same things.

 

[TrueGodHS]

For me, anyone who wants to be in a secret society is really....... I dont even know the word. That shit is just stupid