Official Star Wars Cinematic Universe Thread: Now Showing : Ep VIII - The Last Jedi (15 Dec)

[Splackavelli]

Now that I think none of the characters accomplished anything except Rose sister and Luke with the diversion at the end. What was the point of the whole Benincio Del Toro storyline

The theme of this movie was failure . the point was to show that the good guys don't always succeed. Look at how Poe's actions cost the lives of many and the plan he hatched with Finn cost the lives of the fleet. Also luke fucosimg on his past failure with ben i'm paraphrasing a post I read on gta forums.

It was failure due to gross incompetence, stupidity and moral cowardice.

If you take these forced issues out of the movie it gave falls apart.

1)if the vice admiral shares her strategy with the remaining crew let alone poe it would have saved countless lives and erased that stupid rose and finn sub plot

2) if luke doesn't try to kill ben in his sleep, but tries to teach him to mitigate the influence of the dark side there's no kylo ren. Luke acts out of character for the sake of plot.

3)if Luke was resigned to let the Jedi order die, why did he leave his emergency contact information?

4) why didn't the First Order send out for fast cruisers to hyper jump to their location and finish off the fledgling new republic/rebels?

That slow speed chase in space is the dumbest shit ever. It added tension but only because Hux is a fuckin moron.

The theme of the movie is failure because of bad writing.

Shut up comic book guy

There was a fat comic book guy sitting a row behind in the theatre scoffing at everything. If you don't like the movie either make your own movie or walk your fat ass out of the theatre. I wanted to punch that fat fuck

 

[LordZuko]

You're an imbecile. You respond to valid criticism with emotional outburst.

This a grown folks table, boy

 

[LordZuko]

The meta theme of star wars is that the classic heroics of male heroes are actually symptoms of toxic masculinity and that if the men just went along with the women everything would be fine.

Adventure and action movies are a predominantly male interest. However the leadership roles are assigned to female characters. The male protagonists are taken from this heroic height to being superfluous, impetuous cowards as reflected in Finn, Poe and Luke.

Even the male antagonists are portrayed as bratty children and not some galaxy level evil threat.

Females with no prior feats are just awarded power Rey and Leia specifically.

This movie and the direction of this franchise is the subversion of masculinity.

 

[Mr.LV]

The meta theme of star wars is that the classic heroics of male heroes are actually symptoms of toxic masculinity and that if the men just went along with the women everything would be fine.

Adventure and action movies are a predominantly male interest. However the leadership roles are assigned to female characters. The male protagonists are taken from this heroic height to being superfluous, impetuous cowards as reflected in Finn, Poeand Luke.

Even the male antagonists are portrayed as bratty children and not some galaxy level evil threat.

Females with no prior feats are just awarded power Rey and Leia specifically.

This movie and the direction of this franchise is the subversion of masculinity.

Poe was far from a coward he was in a x wing going against a Dreadnought 1 on 1 taking out its cannons .

 

[Splackavelli]

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[Splackavelli]

You're an imbecile. You respond to valid criticism with emotional outburst.

This a grown folks table, boy

Yeah and you're a nerd who nitpicks those things in star wars movies nobody else usually gives a fuck about because you have too much time on your hands.

 

[LordZuko]

The meta theme of star wars is that the classic heroics of male heroes are actually symptoms of toxic masculinity and that if the men just went along with the women everything would be fine.

Adventure and action movies are a predominantly male interest. However the leadership roles are assigned to female characters. The male protagonists are taken from this heroic height to being superfluous, impetuous cowards as reflected in Finn, Poeand Luke.

Even the male antagonists are portrayed as bratty children and not some galaxy level evil threat.

Females with no prior feats are just awarded power Rey and Leia specifically.

This movie and the direction of this franchise is the subversion of masculinity.

Poe was far from a coward he was in a x wing going against a Dreadnought 1 on 1 taking out its cannons .

I didn't say he was a coward. He was depicted as a cocky brash jock, an alpha type. Which is why the first thing Leia did was demote him after a botched plan.

Basically they turned the heroism he displayed and was lauded for in the last movie on its head and used it to castigate him.

Which is also why the vice admiral, the first thing she said to him is "i know your type" "flyboy" "dangerous" they also put her in heels or whatever to tower over him as she was confronting him.

 

[LordZuko]

You're an imbecile. You respond to valid criticism with emotional outburst.

This a grown folks table, boy

Yeah and you're a nerd who nitpicks those things in star wars movies nobody else usually gives a fuck about because you have too much time on your hands.

Oh i get it. A Star Wars movie thread isn't the place to discuss glaring plot holes and continuity issues that caused the overall movie to fail....

 

[Splackavelli]

You're an imbecile. You respond to valid criticism with emotional outburst.

This a grown folks table, boy

Yeah and you're a nerd who nitpicks those things in star wars movies nobody else usually gives a fuck about because you have too much time on your hands.

Oh i get it. A Star Wars movie thread isn't the place to discuss glaring plot holes and continuity issues that caused the overall movie to fail....

A lot of these movies had plot holes like the when the general kept her evacuation plan on the low but I remember her saying she did not for a reason and Poe's mutiny and his gambit with Finn ruined it. The thing is you keep bellyaching and we ain't listening. You're one of those people that likes the sound of their own voice. I bet you give yourself a pat on the back or. look yourself in the mirror and make a gunshot motion then blow out your finger every time you post

 

[LordZuko]

And you can't read.

ad hominem attacks? Logical fallacies when one really has no reason.

Go away kid.

 

[Splackavelli]

And you can't read.

ad hominem attacks? Logical fallacies when one really has no reason.

Go away kid.

 

[fortyacres]

alright calmdown, stop with the petty insults and discuss the movie or im banning yall from this thread....

 

[Splackavelli]

alright calmdown, stop with the petty insults and discuss the movie or im banning yall from this thread....

Man I'm just having fun. Ain't no point in banning anymore since the site is gonna be dead soon.

 

[fortyacres]

great discussion

 

[Splackavelli]

I don't understand why some people hate that Leia scene. It's like they wanted her to die and early in the film at that. She's a 60 something year old woman who's been with the force for 40 or so years of her life . was it so impossible to use the force to draW herself to the ship? In her mind she was prolly like "reach out ,feel the life force in the ship, pull yourself towards it. Can people just suspend disbelief for a brief moment? Everyone is so anal now a days to where they complain about impossible feats in a science FICTION movie. Obviously Luke trained her I wouldn't be surprised if she uses a light sabre in the next movie.

 

[Agrv2385]

In an interview with LA Times, Johnson was asked why the decision was made to NOT reveal that Rey was from a lineage of “‘special’ Jedi Kin.” He responded:

“It felt like the way to go because it’s the hardest thing that she could possibly hear. It would be the easy thing for her to be defined by, “Yes, this is how you fit into this story — it’s because your parent is so and so!” In that moment, for Kylo to be able to use that [information] as a knife and twist it to try and get what he wants, felt like the most dramatically potent option.”

he's not lying about her lineage get over it. If they change it later itll be because abrams fixed this mess this fool made with his dumb ass decisions to do shit for the sake of shock value.

 

[LordZuko]

I don't understand why some people hate that Leia scene. It's like they wanted her to die and early in the film at that. She's a 60 something year old woman who's been with the force for 40 or so years of her life . was it so impossible to use the force to draW herself to the ship? In her mind she was prolly like "reach out ,feel the life force in the ship, pull yourself towards it. Can people just suspend disbelief for a brief moment? Everyone is so anal now a days to where they complain about impossible feats in a science FICTION movie. Obviously Luke trained her I wouldn't be surprised if she uses a light sabre in the next movie.

Obvious when? When did Luke train her and when did Luke display such an ability?

It's not about suspending belief. That's already done upon agreeing to see the movie.

The movie is set in a universe with established rules and the film ignores those established rules for idiotic reasons. Which breaks suspension of belief

 

[aneed123]

Spoiler

When Laia became Superman and flew in space I was like....

 

[aneed123]

They pretty much wasted Snoke and Luke.... It was no point and 2 many questions unanswered

 

[loch121]

I think kylo lied about her parents

I don't think he lied because in that hole 2 faceless black figures joined and made her.

And they are highlighting that any random person can have the force.

Rose,Finn,Rey,Annakin and Luke were all orphans or slaves and they all have the force or at least the force with them or whatever.

No matter who Rey's parents were they knew they couldn't compete with "I am your father" so they did what nobody expected.Made her just your average Joe.

As far as Rey needing training,Rey has been looking up to and practicing rebel training and fighting off ppl all her life.Plus she has the force anyway so like annakin she already shows talents beyond her age.Luke had little training until The last movie.

Sidenote I liked the pod race in Phantom Menace.Not a fan of that movie though.What a waste of Darth Maul but we always got Insidious

Luke dissapearing makes me wonder if obi was doing something different than I thought when he disappeared in the original trilogy.