Official Drake - "More Life" Playlist Discussion (3.18)

[Listencloser]

Iuno I have to respectfully disagree with the claims he didn't challenge himself or is the same ole same ole. On the Reason niggas are interesting, cuz on the one hand they claim to be staunch Drake haters, and on the other hand they claim to know his discography so well as to what they think he should do (is there really a lot of 6 god worshipping behind closed doors?) I think this album he definitely put out his best work since Take Care and NWTS. He did go outside his comfort zone incorporating grime, afrobeats, Spanish music and even reggae and that to me was very creative, you can't name any other artist at the forefront of rap today who has done that and don't give nearly as much criticism to EXCEPT Kendrick Lamar.

J.Cole has cranked out the same albums and hasn't shown any growth other than being a bit more introspective cuz he's a dad now but he doesn't get nearly as much hatred for not changing or having any classic albums. This is the Drake we came to know and love and he's found his lane and niche and will give you different elements but at the same time is going to retain his style in some places.

J. Cole hasn't shown growth musically?

 

[DNB1]

Drake is growing as a pop artist. If you stop trying to put him in the lane of rappers such as J.Cole this is quite easy to understand.

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

@Sion stop the stannery fam.....Drake makes mostly wack and forgettable projects....I think the issue is w most ppl is that Drake is undeniably number 1 in the game but the product doesn't match the ranking....and the stannery is getting worse...it's at the point where the nigga Drake can have a coughing fit on top of some 808 drums patterns and niggas d be like man that shit is dope....

On another note, no one cares if he s singing or rapping or has a million ghostwriters, the shit mostly doesnt sound good....

 

[Listencloser]

Pop and growth is an oxymoron

 

[DNB1]

Pop and growth is an oxymoron

Not really....successful pop artist emulate other genres, mainly ones that are "in" at that time. See Madonna. Drake is essentially doing the same thing.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

J Cole > drake

Fight me

 

[power_wisdom]

Big Sean was lacking on his first album. Compare his and Cole first albums, Coles was ahead of him as a mc. You can't fault Cole for not showing as much growth as Sean. Sean just catching up to what Cole was doing years ago. And Cole doesn't have a classic? Artist like Redman and Spitta don't necessarily grow as artist (although Redman did between his first and second albums) but they give you extremely solid work. Can we say that about Drake at this point of his career?

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Drake has not grown as a pop artist either

 

[IceBergTaylor]

Idk how anyone who has listened to Drake from the beginning, can't see

That nothing much has changed. The only thing he started doing to add to his artistic abilities was singing. His subject

Matter & themes are always ALWAYS the same.

Where as idk how anyone who has listened to Cole from the beginning can't see his growth. If anything that shit is blatantly evident from his transition from the SideLine Story to now. Literally look listen to that album than listen to everything after.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Big Sean was lacking on his first album. Compare his and Cole first albums, Coles was ahead of him as a mc. You can't fault Cole for not showing as much growth as Sean. Sean just catching up to what Cole was doing years ago. And Cole doesn't have a classic? Artist like Redman and Spitta don't necessarily grow as artist (although Redman did between his first and second albums) but they give you extremely solid work. Can we say that about Drake at this point of his career?

J.Cole doesn't have a classic album, I'm not even trying to be an asshole but this is what I'm talking about on the Reason. Niggas WILL create the scenario to fit the narrative because they just don't like a muthafucka. Sideline Story was meh, Born Sinner was lukewarm, FHD was dope, 4YEO was alright but they aren't classic or groundbreaking. Big Sean has grown way more than Cole has at this point in his career and has even stepped outside the box (Twenty88) vs. Cole.

You can argue that yes Drake has a solid body of work at this point in his career and contrast it to Redman and Spitta if you want. SFG, TML, TC, NWTS, IYRTITL, WATTBA, ML the nigga is solid man. It's not a matter of whether or not Drake has a classic or not, niggas will say J.Cole has one over Drake just out of spite and bias.

This is all a deflection. All of this is opinion and None of this is relevant to Drake's lack of artistic growth

 

[TayGettem]

I think people are rightly criticizing that five albums in he shows little to no personal growth

I've said this tons of times. Folks don't wanna hear it. They will be quick to point out other artists like Spitta for example, who cranks out the same shit all the time. The difference with Drake in comparison to the field is that he's supposedly "the best." Drake has been making the same album for years now. You know what to expect & for An artist of his caliber we have a right to want more. He's not creative or innovative.

I think if you're using the first 5 albums it's fair, his first 2 albums you start to see the direction he's going in with the singing becoming more and more prevalent. VIEWS was lukewarm but I definitely feel that More Life was a step in a different direction and saw Drake challenging himself.

My biggest gripe with the Reason is that artists like KRIT, J.Cole, ASAP Rocky can do the same thing but never catch as much flack (if any at all). Niggas on here claim they don't listen to Drake but be deeep in his threads with the most detailed analysis (looking at you Tay).

@sion i been a drake fan dont pull that selective memory with me any drake thread can prove that. 1st time i heard him rap was on degrassi when he was dating ashley. I been a fan but im a feed up disappointed one. An with all do respect ill tear dem arguments abt cole not growing compared to drake down

 

[Breezy_Kilroy]

Lol Sion deflecting like a mug

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Big Sean was lacking on his first album. Compare his and Cole first albums, Coles was ahead of him as a mc. You can't fault Cole for not showing as much growth as Sean. Sean just catching up to what Cole was doing years ago. And Cole doesn't have a classic? Artist like Redman and Spitta don't necessarily grow as artist (although Redman did between his first and second albums) but they give you extremely solid work. Can we say that about Drake at this point of his career?

J.Cole doesn't have a classic album, I'm not even trying to be an asshole but this is what I'm talking about on the Reason. Niggas WILL create the scenario to fit the narrative because they just don't like a muthafucka. Sideline Story was meh, Born Sinner was lukewarm, FHD was dope, 4YEO was alright but they aren't classic or groundbreaking. Big Sean has grown way more than Cole has at this point in his career and has even stepped outside the box (Twenty88) vs. Cole.

You can argue that yes Drake has a solid body of work at this point in his career and contrast it to Redman and Spitta if you want. SFG, TML, TC, NWTS, IYRTITL, WATTBA, ML the nigga is solid man. It's not a matter of whether or not Drake has a classic or not, niggas will say J.Cole has one over Drake just out of spite and bias.

This is all a deflection. All of this is opinion and None of this is relevant to Drake's lack of artistic growth

It's not a deflection I'm not saying Drake has grown more than another artist, etc. Because really bias gets in the way and you can make an argument for both in that topic. I'm saying that Drake is held to higher expectations than a lot of his peers such as J.Cole and others because niggas don't like him. The fact we're even having this discussion when either or is irrelevant from the topic is telling.

If Drake has writers and is dismissed from the conversations perhaps the same standards need not apply. Niggas will give J.Cole and others passes for the same shit we rip on Drake for. That's my gripe. J.Cole can hit notes/sing on Apparently about relationships and niggas will say it's the GOAT but Drake hitting notes on Passionfruit or HOWGH and talking about relationships is frowned upon. That's that hypocrisy I'm pointing out.

Again what j Cole does or doesn't do is irrelevant to Drake. That is a deflection that doesn't strengthen your argument against us saying he didn't show growth

Drake is held to a higher standard because he is a self proclaimed star/leader/pop artist/biggest in rap etc

And your song comparison are a little off

 

[OhioState1987]

Watch Bitch's start making them stupid faces and twirling there finger in their IG and Snapchat videos singing glow.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Fam make a post without mentioning Cole

 

[IceBergTaylor]

What does Drake beefin with Meek or anyone else... or J. Cole not being involved in any.... have to do with Drake's lack of artistic growth???

 

[Breezy_Kilroy]

You can make a comparison between J.Cole and Drake the problem is majority of niggas don't like one over the other. But if this was 2013 (pre Meek Mill beef) you would look at it very differently​.

I remember people were ripping on Drake for not battling nobody but J.Cole has never been in a battle and ducked Jay-E and niggas gave him a pass. That's the shit I'm talking about.... Niggas do it in the music and other channels as well.

We don't know the inner workings but that shit was deaded quickly. It's not the same. Cole and Elect are on the same label ran by Jay. That's all that needs to be said.

I don't know why he was brought up but Cole ain't got anything to do with Drake. The comparisons are coming from Drake's own body of work. It seem like you're "upset" with the acclaim that Cole gets but its seems obvious you don't see the other side.

He needs a feature

He needs a hit

He needs better production

He's boring

Corny punchlines

Needs to rap like his features

No classic

FNL is his best body of work but its a mixtape

Etc

Cole gets shitted on a lot. Niggas talk about falling asleep to his music EVERY thread.

Just look at the Sideline Story thread if you need a refresher. the nigga ain't even supposed to be here according to some.

There isn't some conspiracy where Drake gets all flack and no praise. These arguments are very valid.

We know exactly what a Drake album will be. That's all anyone is saying. Nobody said you can't enjoy the nigga music. That's straight up hyperbole. Drake has fans all across this board, including me. And as a fan I think the critique is warranted.

 

[TayGettem]

Ay yall lemme just dead this argument and prove my point

@Sion

NAME OR POST 1 TRACK BY DRAKE THAT DOESNT HAVE TO DO WITH ONE OF THE FOLLOWING

Women

His Past

Him braggin abt himself and his accomplishments

Ill wait cuz i see u say he challenged hisself by using grime, jamaican, Spanish...etc but when its all said and done his only using those things to talk more abt himself his past and women period

 

[Trillfate]

She wanna get married tonight

but I can't take a knee cuz im wearin all white

Dope lil bars..

The only drake I like is the simplistic lyrical drake...

 

[Breezy_Kilroy]

She wanna get married tonight

but I can't take a knee cuz im wearin all white

Dope lil bars..

The only drake I like is the simplistic lyrical drake...

Yeah that was a cool line