Official 2014 NBA Draft Thread (the race to the bottom)

[af.r.i.c.a.]

If the Bucks pick Embid at #1, that has bust written all over it.

Why?

He's not a scorer, or atleast wont b for a few yrs. If he goes there his defensive abilites would b lost b/c they still wouldnt win. See Larty sanders, and ironically see thwir last # 1, bogut when he was there.

Vs say Minnesota, or Utah with their quality PFs, or philly w/ a true pg, etc

Mind u i dnt believe in him anyway lol but 12 and 9 looks better if he helps them win vs not making an impact in mikwaukee

As bad as the bucks have been they still have a good group of young talent. I don't see any reason why they can't improve with experience and the addition of a number top 5 pick. If you think Embid isn't a scorer then you probably haven't seen him play and if you have seen him play and don't think he's a scorer.. well then your a fuckin idiot. 12 and 9 means nothing especially when the guy just started learning the game a few years ago and is a freshmen who plays 23 minutes a night. Those numbers are actually impressive when you really think about it. The bucks would have a dominant defensive front court with Embid/Sanders/Henson and Embid and Henson both show ability to score on the block at the pro level.

 

[S2J]

If the Bucks pick Embid at #1, that has bust written all over it.

Why?

He's not a scorer, or atleast wont b for a few yrs. If he goes there his defensive abilites would b lost b/c they still wouldnt win. See Larty sanders, and ironically see thwir last # 1, bogut when he was there.

Vs say Minnesota, or Utah with their quality PFs, or philly w/ a true pg, etc

Mind u i dnt believe in him anyway lol but 12 and 9 looks better if he helps them win vs not making an impact in mikwaukee

As bad as the bucks have been they still have a good group of young talent. I don't see any reason why they can't improve with experience and the addition of a number top 5 pick. If you think Embid isn't a scorer then you probably haven't seen him play and if you have seen him play and don't think he's a scorer.. well then your a fuckin idiot. 12 and 9 means nothing especially when the guy just started learning the game a few years ago and is a freshmen who plays 23 minutes a night. Those numbers are actually impressive when you really think about it. The bucks would have a dominant defensive front court with Embid/Sanders/Henson and Embid and Henson both show ability to score on the block at the pro level.

Sigh. If i could ffwd to next season i would, but i cant, so for now we wait.

With Embiid, and prospect bigs, they get a ridiculous amount of benefit of the doubt (i.e. 'pretty good if you think about.' How about i shouldnt have to "think about it" with a #1 pick) and praise for the little things. It just LOOKS good b/c it makes it seem like the viewer is noticing somethign others dont.

This article is a great example:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...k-why-joel-embiid-is-still-no-1-2014-prospect

No one addresses the fact he avgs 11 ppg and cant play more than 23 mpg...as if that will magically change.

Embiid looks 98% like Greg Oden at OSU. Oden looked like he would be a beast, so thats a compliment. But Oden avg 15 and 9 in college. He dominated college. JOEL EMBIID IS NOT DOMINATING COLLEGE. That should raise flags!

 

[af.r.i.c.a.]

If the Bucks pick Embid at #1, that has bust written all over it.

Why?

He's not a scorer, or atleast wont b for a few yrs. If he goes there his defensive abilites would b lost b/c they still wouldnt win. See Larty sanders, and ironically see thwir last # 1, bogut when he was there.

Vs say Minnesota, or Utah with their quality PFs, or philly w/ a true pg, etc

Mind u i dnt believe in him anyway lol but 12 and 9 looks better if he helps them win vs not making an impact in mikwaukee

As bad as the bucks have been they still have a good group of young talent. I don't see any reason why they can't improve with experience and the addition of a number top 5 pick. If you think Embid isn't a scorer then you probably haven't seen him play and if you have seen him play and don't think he's a scorer.. well then your a fuckin idiot. 12 and 9 means nothing especially when the guy just started learning the game a few years ago and is a freshmen who plays 23 minutes a night. Those numbers are actually impressive when you really think about it. The bucks would have a dominant defensive front court with Embid/Sanders/Henson and Embid and Henson both show ability to score on the block at the pro level.

Sigh. If i could ffwd to next season i would, but i cant, so for now we wait.

With Embiid, and prospect bigs, they get a ridiculous amount of benefit of the doubt (i.e. 'pretty good if you think about.' How about i shouldnt have to "think about it" with a #1 pick) and praise for the little things. It just LOOKS good b/c it makes it seem like the viewer is noticing somethign others dont.

This article is a great example:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...k-why-joel-embiid-is-still-no-1-2014-prospect

No one addresses the fact he avgs 11 ppg and cant play more than 23 mpg...as if that will magically change.

Embiid looks 98% like Greg Oden at OSU. Oden looked like he would be a beast, so thats a compliment. But Oden avg 15 and 9 in college. He dominated college. JOEL EMBIID IS NOT DOMINATING COLLEGE. That should raise flags!

Smh

 

[S2J]

'smh' my ass. smh @ '11 points in 23 minutes per game, thats pretty good if u think about it.'

Is the ngga handicapped? Are we grading on a curve? Foh

 

[BDBIID]

Hindsight really 20/20 man.

Per 40 as True Freshman. Names?

Player A- .545FG% .745FT% 12.7REB 1.2AST 0.5STL 5.0BLK 13.0PPG

Player B- .607FG% .563FT% 13.5REB 0.8AST 2.0STL 5.4BLK 18.1PPG

Player C- .624FG% .674% 13.9REB 2.4AST 1.4STL 4.6BLK 19.4PPG

 

[BDBIID]

'smh' my ass. smh @ '11 points in 23 minutes per game, thats pretty good if u think about it.'

Is the ngga handicapped? Are we grading on a curve? Foh

Duncan was 10 ppg in 30 mins per game as a freshman.........

 

[af.r.i.c.a.]

'smh' my ass. smh @ '11 points in 23 minutes per game, thats pretty good if u think about it.'

Is the ngga handicapped? Are we grading on a curve? Foh

Bruh you tried to prove your point on this matter earlier in the thread and got washed. Keep it movin

 

[#1hiphopjunki3]

If the Bucks pick Embid at #1, that has bust written all over it.

Why?

He's not a scorer, or atleast wont b for a few yrs. If he goes there his defensive abilites would b lost b/c they still wouldnt win. See Larty sanders, and ironically see thwir last # 1, bogut when he was there.

Vs say Minnesota, or Utah with their quality PFs, or philly w/ a true pg, etc

Mind u i dnt believe in him anyway lol but 12 and 9 looks better if he helps them win vs not making an impact in mikwaukee

As bad as the bucks have been they still have a good group of young talent. I don't see any reason why they can't improve with experience and the addition of a number top 5 pick. If you think Embid isn't a scorer then you probably haven't seen him play and if you have seen him play and don't think he's a scorer.. well then your a fuckin idiot. 12 and 9 means nothing especially when the guy just started learning the game a few years ago and is a freshmen who plays 23 minutes a night. Those numbers are actually impressive when you really think about it. The bucks would have a dominant defensive front court with Embid/Sanders/Henson and Embid and Henson both show ability to score on the block at the pro level.

Sigh. If i could ffwd to next season i would, but i cant, so for now we wait.

With Embiid, and prospect bigs, they get a ridiculous amount of benefit of the doubt (i.e. 'pretty good if you think about.' How about i shouldnt have to "think about it" with a #1 pick) and praise for the little things. It just LOOKS good b/c it makes it seem like the viewer is noticing somethign others dont.

This article is a great example:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...k-why-joel-embiid-is-still-no-1-2014-prospect

No one addresses the fact he avgs 11 ppg and cant play more than 23 mpg...as if that will magically change.

Embiid looks 98% like Greg Oden at OSU. Oden looked like he would be a beast, so thats a compliment. But Oden avg 15 and 9 in college. He dominated college. JOEL EMBIID IS NOT DOMINATING COLLEGE. That should raise flags!

Oden dominated in the NCAA because he got more minutes (maybe due to Embiid fouling a tiny bit more) and shot attempts than Embiid.

Embiid has the 5th most shot attempts on his team at 6.1 a game and he actually gets to the line 1 whole free throw less (also averages about the same amount of assists) than his teammate Wiggins who plays a huge 10 more minutes than him per game, he also gets to the line at almost the same rate as Oden did with less minutes.

I'm not saying Embiid will be a Hall of Famer or even an NBA All-Star but the guy is clearly one of the best young players in the NCAA right now and the best guy on Kansas by far.

To only play 23 minutes per game and have such a profound impact on the game is crazy.

 

[af.r.i.c.a.]

Hindsight really 20/20 man.

Per 40 as True Freshman. Names?

Player A- .545FG% .745FT% 12.7REB 1.2AST 0.5STL 5.0BLK 13.0PPG

Player B- .607FG% .563FT% 13.5REB 0.8AST 2.0STL 5.4BLK 18.1PPG

Player C- .624FG% .674% 13.9REB 2.4AST 1.4STL 4.6BLK 19.4PPG

That's damn near impossible to figure out

 

[BDBIID]

Hindsight really 20/20 man.

Per 40 as True Freshman. Names?

Player A- .545FG% .745FT% 12.7REB 1.2AST 0.5STL 5.0BLK 13.0PPG

Player B- .607FG% .563FT% 13.5REB 0.8AST 2.0STL 5.4BLK 18.1PPG

Player C- .624FG% .674% 13.9REB 2.4AST 1.4STL 4.6BLK 19.4PPG

That's damn near impossible to figure out

lol.

Duncan, Hakeem, Embiid

 

[S2J]

If the Bucks pick Embid at #1, that has bust written all over it.

Why?

He's not a scorer, or atleast wont b for a few yrs. If he goes there his defensive abilites would b lost b/c they still wouldnt win. See Larty sanders, and ironically see thwir last # 1, bogut when he was there.

Vs say Minnesota, or Utah with their quality PFs, or philly w/ a true pg, etc

Mind u i dnt believe in him anyway lol but 12 and 9 looks better if he helps them win vs not making an impact in mikwaukee

As bad as the bucks have been they still have a good group of young talent. I don't see any reason why they can't improve with experience and the addition of a number top 5 pick. If you think Embid isn't a scorer then you probably haven't seen him play and if you have seen him play and don't think he's a scorer.. well then your a fuckin idiot. 12 and 9 means nothing especially when the guy just started learning the game a few years ago and is a freshmen who plays 23 minutes a night. Those numbers are actually impressive when you really think about it. The bucks would have a dominant defensive front court with Embid/Sanders/Henson and Embid and Henson both show ability to score on the block at the pro level.

Sigh. If i could ffwd to next season i would, but i cant, so for now we wait.

With Embiid, and prospect bigs, they get a ridiculous amount of benefit of the doubt (i.e. 'pretty good if you think about.' How about i shouldnt have to "think about it" with a #1 pick) and praise for the little things. It just LOOKS good b/c it makes it seem like the viewer is noticing somethign others dont.

This article is a great example:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...k-why-joel-embiid-is-still-no-1-2014-prospect

No one addresses the fact he avgs 11 ppg and cant play more than 23 mpg...as if that will magically change.

Embiid looks 98% like Greg Oden at OSU. Oden looked like he would be a beast, so thats a compliment. But Oden avg 15 and 9 in college. He dominated college. JOEL EMBIID IS NOT DOMINATING COLLEGE. That should raise flags!

Oden dominated in the NCAA because he got more minutes (maybe due to Embiid fouling a tiny bit more) and shot attempts than Embiid.

Embiid has the 5th most shot attempts on his team at 6.1 a game and he actually gets to the line 1 whole free throw less (also averages about the same amount of assists) than his teammate Wiggins who plays a huge 10 more minutes than him per game, he also gets to the line at almost the same rate as Oden did with less minutes.

I'm not saying Embiid will be a Hall of Famer or even an NBA All-Star but the guy is clearly one of the best young players in the NCAA right now and the best guy on Kansas by far.

To only play 23 minutes per game and have such a profound impact on the game is crazy.

1)Why is he only playing 23 mpg?

2) So he's gonna go from havin problems puttin in 23 mpg in around 30 games...but wit 30 mpg in 82 games, he'll be better?

3) If im reading it right, he gets a pass for limited shots b/c its a talented team with 2 or 3 other pros...but in the NBA he'll demand enough shots when playing with 8 other pros in the rotation?

 

[#1hiphopjunki3]

If the Bucks pick Embid at #1, that has bust written all over it.

Why?

He's not a scorer, or atleast wont b for a few yrs. If he goes there his defensive abilites would b lost b/c they still wouldnt win. See Larty sanders, and ironically see thwir last # 1, bogut when he was there.

Vs say Minnesota, or Utah with their quality PFs, or philly w/ a true pg, etc

Mind u i dnt believe in him anyway lol but 12 and 9 looks better if he helps them win vs not making an impact in mikwaukee

As bad as the bucks have been they still have a good group of young talent. I don't see any reason why they can't improve with experience and the addition of a number top 5 pick. If you think Embid isn't a scorer then you probably haven't seen him play and if you have seen him play and don't think he's a scorer.. well then your a fuckin idiot. 12 and 9 means nothing especially when the guy just started learning the game a few years ago and is a freshmen who plays 23 minutes a night. Those numbers are actually impressive when you really think about it. The bucks would have a dominant defensive front court with Embid/Sanders/Henson and Embid and Henson both show ability to score on the block at the pro level.

Sigh. If i could ffwd to next season i would, but i cant, so for now we wait.

With Embiid, and prospect bigs, they get a ridiculous amount of benefit of the doubt (i.e. 'pretty good if you think about.' How about i shouldnt have to "think about it" with a #1 pick) and praise for the little things. It just LOOKS good b/c it makes it seem like the viewer is noticing somethign others dont.

This article is a great example:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...k-why-joel-embiid-is-still-no-1-2014-prospect

No one addresses the fact he avgs 11 ppg and cant play more than 23 mpg...as if that will magically change.

Embiid looks 98% like Greg Oden at OSU. Oden looked like he would be a beast, so thats a compliment. But Oden avg 15 and 9 in college. He dominated college. JOEL EMBIID IS NOT DOMINATING COLLEGE. That should raise flags!

Oden dominated in the NCAA because he got more minutes (maybe due to Embiid fouling a tiny bit more) and shot attempts than Embiid.

Embiid has the 5th most shot attempts on his team at 6.1 a game and he actually gets to the line 1 whole free throw less (also averages about the same amount of assists) than his teammate Wiggins who plays a huge 10 more minutes than him per game, he also gets to the line at almost the same rate as Oden did with less minutes.

I'm not saying Embiid will be a Hall of Famer or even an NBA All-Star but the guy is clearly one of the best young players in the NCAA right now and the best guy on Kansas by far.

To only play 23 minutes per game and have such a profound impact on the game is crazy.

1)Why is he only playing 23 mpg?

2) So he's gonna go from havin problems puttin in 23 mpg in around 30 games...but wit 30 mpg in 82 games, he'll be better?

3) If im reading it right, he gets a pass for limited shots b/c its a talented team with 2 or 3 other pros...but in the NBA he'll demand enough shots when playing with 8 other pros in the rotation?

1) Most likely due to foul trouble and the team killing other teams is why he gets the minutes he gets. Why play him heavy minutes if you are blowing a team out?

2) Officiating believe it or not is a whole lot more consistent in the NBA as opposed to the NCAA due to it being fewer refs and teams in the overall respective organizations. Not to mention the NBA game is a whole lot different (more minutes per game and 1 whole foul more before fouling out) than the NCAA game when it comes to style of play so it's not a stretch to say that he could average more minutes per game in the NBA.

3) It's not getting a pass for taking less shots, it's a fact that he is taking less shots. He takes less shots than Oden did because his team is more talented than Oden's Ohio State team.

I'm not stating he will demand more shots in the NBA but like I stated on point #2 the NBA game is played different than the NCAA game. You have better passers in the NBA and now a days the NBA is really heavy with pick and roll type offense, not to mention the lane is a tad bit bigger if I'm not mistaken, there is better spacing in the NBA game and less gimmicky type defensive sets by coaches, i.e.. full court press or zone for the whole game. I never said the kid would be a #1 scoring option in the NBA but watching some of Kansas games it clear as day that the kid can do more than just dunk the ball on the offensive end.

 

[ericb4prez]

I wouldn't say this Kansas team has more talent than odens O state team did but we played thru oden more

 

[goodlookinout]

Why isn't Noah Vonleh from Indiana getting love 6'10 240 can play inside and out??? Looks like his game translates well to the next level

 

[toheeb27]

Adreian Payne, School me....

 

[WhoisDonG???]

Embid should stay another year. Get his game polished up more.

 

[#1hiphopjunki3]

I wouldn't say this Kansas team has more talent than odens O state team did but we played thru oden more

The part about having more talent is up to debate but I agree 100% about Ohio State running offense more through Oden than Kansas does with Embiid.

 

[#1hiphopjunki3]

Why isn't Noah Vonleh from Indiana getting love 6'10 240 can play inside and out??? Looks like his game translates well to the next level

Draftexpress.com Is pretty high on Noah Vonleh for the exact reasons you pointed out.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA-Draft-Prospect-of-the-Week-Noah-Vonleh-4389/

I think he isn't getting as much love as the Kansas guys and others because Indiana is playing pretty bad this season.

 

[af.r.i.c.a.]

Why isn't Noah Vonleh from Indiana getting love 6'10 240 can play inside and out??? Looks like his game translates well to the next level

Draftexpress.com Is pretty high on Noah Vonleh for the exact reasons you pointed out.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA-Draft-Prospect-of-the-Week-Noah-Vonleh-4389/

I think he isn't getting as much love as the Kansas guys and others because Indiana is playing pretty bad this season.

He's a lot more raw then the top guys in the draft and his team isn't playing well like you stated. Vonleh has potential to be the best big in the draft tho if he can put it all together. He's versatile on offense.. can stretch the floor or bang in the post..He has great size nh 6'10 with a 7'4 wing span and he is a elite rebounder/defender. Its a toss up between him and Randle for best PF prospect in the draft. It's sort of like comparing Wiggins and Parker..Vonleh has a higher ceiling but Randle is the safer pick. Both guys will go within the top 8 picks

 

[af.r.i.c.a.]

Adreian Payne, School me....

That would be a huge reach for the Lakers. Payne is a solid 4 with prototypical size and can even play the 5 in smaller lineups. Can stench the floor and hold his own on the defensive end. If he was a sophomore and not a senior he might be a lotto pick

Think younger Robert Horry