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[zombie]

Did you read your post??? YOU clearly said that there are anti Christian movements in Europe. Now you want to flip flop on your words.

Islam being the fastest growing religion is bullshit because there is no way to verify that. No matter how big those groups get they will never be given world wide acceptance as a real state. The wars will continue for as long as they need to. A bad European economy will only increase anti Islamic feelings in Europe. In fact many Europeans want to expel Islam from Europe. Fuck Islam.

UMM no I didn't, I said there is an anti-Christian movement in the world in general, I didn't say specifically Europe.

As far as Islam growing, I said it's ONE of the fastest growing religions in the world, and sociologists around the world claim Islam IS the fastest growing religion. I won't get into that debate but I'll just say pissing off 1.6 billion Muslims around the world by supporting Israeli terrorism and committing horrible war crimes like those in Iraq aren't helping Europeans or Americans become more safe. It's making us less safe.....as Islam and its members grow and grow, efforts must be made to become more friendly with them. Even the president of France admitted that last month. So did Britain's president. It makes mathematical sense to do so.......

And you can say fuck Islam all day long, I hate all Abrahamic religions, but the reality is the world can't kill 1.6 billion Muslims. If even 15% of those Muslims join extremist groups, America and its broke European allies will become more and more bankrupt fighting a war that will never end. Remember how bad Christians lost the Crusades.

yeah now you are just splitting your words and trying to use semantics to justify your faulty statements. what anti-christian movement in the world???? where are you getting this bullshit from even in china christianity is on the rise and believe it or not europe is in the dawn of a christian revival especially in the east.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html

the fact remains that the western world is turning against islam more than anything else. FUCK BEING MORE FRIENDLY TO SAVAGES. if you think the world is going to be more friendly to people that cut heads off with knives you are sadly mistaken. What the presidents of nations say and what the people feel are two different things.


we don't need to kill all 1.6 billion muslims most muslims are not that crazy it's those in the middle east that need to be washed the fuck up. This is 2015 not the time of the crusades if there really was a modern day crusade the middle east would end up being a glass parking lot. forces in islam have decleared all out war on the west but the west still has not returned the favor, if the west ever does it will be massive slaughter for the muslims

just having numbers won't ensure victory in conflict anymore. The american economy is fine and we are far from being broke even with our massive debt our currency is strong and economy bright.

The anti-Christian movement I was speaking of is mostly in the Middle East, the place where Christians are being ran out of.

As far as the Muslims in the Middle East, even if you killed all of them, what about the ones in America and the west? You can't kill them all....if you don't think trying to become friendlier to "the savages" is a good idea, OKAY but it just means a neverending circle of violence, terrorism and bloodshed. Christians will continue to get their asses ran out of the Middle East, Israelis will forever enjoy constant rocket attacks and people trying to run them over, and Americans will continue to be targets with bulls eyes on their foreheads. Muslims will be killed with drones over and over again, and terror groups will CONTINUE to get bigger and bigger. Al-Qaeda will conquer more cities, and ISIS will without a doubt do the same but on a bigger level. Americans will continue spending money they don't have until it goes broke the way the USSR, Spain, Britain and other places historically have.

Sounds like a great future for the world I guess??? Because as long as nothing changes, this will be the future.

The anti christain movement in the middle east has been going on for centuries ever since the birth of islam so i don't even know why you are bringing that shit up it brings nothing to your argument,

I don't want to commit genocide on the muslims just the crazy ones and the mass of the crazy ones are in the middle east. when muslims in that part of the world learn to accept certain things there will be peace. one of the things they will have to accept is israel. those little fucking rocket attacks are useless and result in israel killing hundreds of palestinians. for every jew or christian that dies many many many more muslims die they are the ones in the losing situation. The future is that islam will be killed into submission UNTIL it learns to behave like a civilized member of modern human society,

As for isis don't fucking kid yourself there time is quickly running out they cannot even beat the kurds they have maybe a year of existence before they are basically totally destroyed or made powerless. AL-qaeda is taking advantage of the situation in yemen but that won't last very long there are other factions in yemen that will fight them.

America is no place close to being broke and actually our currency is too strong now every powerful nation eventually falls but america has not reached anywhere close to that yet.

ISIS will be around for at least 3 years according to US generals, and in reality talk, that means 20 years plus or maybe even forever. Al-Qaeda hasn't been defeated after..........how many years?? Instead they taking over whole cities now. God knows what they planning with Khorosan.....the status quo, believe it or not, benefits ISIS and Al-Qaeda too. So be careful what you wish for.

6 trillion dollars and 14 years later, America is still losing the war on terror. But if the status quo works for you, GREAT. Just don't act surprised when America's war on terror gets even worse.

IF the war gets worse it will be muslims that do most of the dying 1 year may have been and optimistic estimate but the fact remains that isis will be destroyed.

the war on terror is not a normal war it's not something that you can point too and say we won because of this or that, it will have no end in the way that you think,

but when was the last time al-qaeda pulled off an attack against america??????? it's been over 10 years already and nothing there focus has been on killing other muslims because that lack to power to attack us.

 

[janklow]

No, just Southeast Asia. I'll need to pull a source. I can't find the numbers at the moment, just this--couple paragraphs down on p.473

i believe i recall the Russell thing being more dramatics than legit argument, but that's probably more about making the genocide claim

Yeah I believe America used Agent Orange and bombed out hundreds of thousands in Cambodia and Laos too.

the problem with the former is that the claims can get very vague (for legitimate reasons)

The Vietnam War did kill millions of people, are you joking around? 2.2 million Vietnamese civilians died alone, nevermind the hundreds of thousands of troops killed

let's start with the reminder that you claimed AMERICA killed millions, not just a total amount of deaths in the war. reminder: North Vietnam and South Vietnam killed people too.

second, 2.2 million civilians sounds like we're picking the highest possible number from a specific source that covers all deaths period.

 

[kingblaze84]

No, just Southeast Asia. I'll need to pull a source. I can't find the numbers at the moment, just this--couple paragraphs down on p.473

i believe i recall the Russell thing being more dramatics than legit argument, but that's probably more about making the genocide claim

Yeah I believe America used Agent Orange and bombed out hundreds of thousands in Cambodia and Laos too.

the problem with the former is that the claims can get very vague (for legitimate reasons)

The Vietnam War did kill millions of people, are you joking around? 2.2 million Vietnamese civilians died alone, nevermind the hundreds of thousands of troops killed

let's start with the reminder that you claimed AMERICA killed millions, not just a total amount of deaths in the war. reminder: North Vietnam and South Vietnam killed people too.

second, 2.2 million civilians sounds like we're picking the highest possible number from a specific source that covers all deaths period.

Yeah the deaths from Vietnam can be vague but everyone can agree a WHOLE lot of people died when America escalated the war, especially with the chemical and munition bombs. North Vietnamese and southern Vietnamese did do a lot of killing of course but America alone may have killed about 700,000. The modern Vietnamese govt, which is allied with America (and Russia) today itself says America is responsible for over 400,000 dead. Other sources put America's toll much higher but the bottom line is the USA needs to stop getting involved in bad wars that hurt its reputation worldwide and don't do much else.

 

[kingblaze84]

Did you read your post??? YOU clearly said that there are anti Christian movements in Europe. Now you want to flip flop on your words.

Islam being the fastest growing religion is bullshit because there is no way to verify that. No matter how big those groups get they will never be given world wide acceptance as a real state. The wars will continue for as long as they need to. A bad European economy will only increase anti Islamic feelings in Europe. In fact many Europeans want to expel Islam from Europe. Fuck Islam.

UMM no I didn't, I said there is an anti-Christian movement in the world in general, I didn't say specifically Europe.

As far as Islam growing, I said it's ONE of the fastest growing religions in the world, and sociologists around the world claim Islam IS the fastest growing religion. I won't get into that debate but I'll just say pissing off 1.6 billion Muslims around the world by supporting Israeli terrorism and committing horrible war crimes like those in Iraq aren't helping Europeans or Americans become more safe. It's making us less safe.....as Islam and its members grow and grow, efforts must be made to become more friendly with them. Even the president of France admitted that last month. So did Britain's president. It makes mathematical sense to do so.......

And you can say fuck Islam all day long, I hate all Abrahamic religions, but the reality is the world can't kill 1.6 billion Muslims. If even 15% of those Muslims join extremist groups, America and its broke European allies will become more and more bankrupt fighting a war that will never end. Remember how bad Christians lost the Crusades.

yeah now you are just splitting your words and trying to use semantics to justify your faulty statements. what anti-christian movement in the world???? where are you getting this bullshit from even in china christianity is on the rise and believe it or not europe is in the dawn of a christian revival especially in the east.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html

the fact remains that the western world is turning against islam more than anything else. FUCK BEING MORE FRIENDLY TO SAVAGES. if you think the world is going to be more friendly to people that cut heads off with knives you are sadly mistaken. What the presidents of nations say and what the people feel are two different things.


we don't need to kill all 1.6 billion muslims most muslims are not that crazy it's those in the middle east that need to be washed the fuck up. This is 2015 not the time of the crusades if there really was a modern day crusade the middle east would end up being a glass parking lot. forces in islam have decleared all out war on the west but the west still has not returned the favor, if the west ever does it will be massive slaughter for the muslims

just having numbers won't ensure victory in conflict anymore. The american economy is fine and we are far from being broke even with our massive debt our currency is strong and economy bright.

The anti-Christian movement I was speaking of is mostly in the Middle East, the place where Christians are being ran out of.

As far as the Muslims in the Middle East, even if you killed all of them, what about the ones in America and the west? You can't kill them all....if you don't think trying to become friendlier to "the savages" is a good idea, OKAY but it just means a neverending circle of violence, terrorism and bloodshed. Christians will continue to get their asses ran out of the Middle East, Israelis will forever enjoy constant rocket attacks and people trying to run them over, and Americans will continue to be targets with bulls eyes on their foreheads. Muslims will be killed with drones over and over again, and terror groups will CONTINUE to get bigger and bigger. Al-Qaeda will conquer more cities, and ISIS will without a doubt do the same but on a bigger level. Americans will continue spending money they don't have until it goes broke the way the USSR, Spain, Britain and other places historically have.

Sounds like a great future for the world I guess??? Because as long as nothing changes, this will be the future.

The anti christain movement in the middle east has been going on for centuries ever since the birth of islam so i don't even know why you are bringing that shit up it brings nothing to your argument,

I don't want to commit genocide on the muslims just the crazy ones and the mass of the crazy ones are in the middle east. when muslims in that part of the world learn to accept certain things there will be peace. one of the things they will have to accept is israel. those little fucking rocket attacks are useless and result in israel killing hundreds of palestinians. for every jew or christian that dies many many many more muslims die they are the ones in the losing situation. The future is that islam will be killed into submission UNTIL it learns to behave like a civilized member of modern human society,

As for isis don't fucking kid yourself there time is quickly running out they cannot even beat the kurds they have maybe a year of existence before they are basically totally destroyed or made powerless. AL-qaeda is taking advantage of the situation in yemen but that won't last very long there are other factions in yemen that will fight them.

America is no place close to being broke and actually our currency is too strong now every powerful nation eventually falls but america has not reached anywhere close to that yet.

ISIS will be around for at least 3 years according to US generals, and in reality talk, that means 20 years plus or maybe even forever. Al-Qaeda hasn't been defeated after..........how many years?? Instead they taking over whole cities now. God knows what they planning with Khorosan.....the status quo, believe it or not, benefits ISIS and Al-Qaeda too. So be careful what you wish for.

6 trillion dollars and 14 years later, America is still losing the war on terror. But if the status quo works for you, GREAT. Just don't act surprised when America's war on terror gets even worse.

IF the war gets worse it will be muslims that do most of the dying 1 year may have been and optimistic estimate but the fact remains that isis will be destroyed.

the war on terror is not a normal war it's not something that you can point too and say we won because of this or that, it will have no end in the way that you think,

but when was the last time al-qaeda pulled off an attack against america??????? it's been over 10 years already and nothing there focus has been on killing other muslims because that lack to power to attack us.

If Al-Qaeda hasn't been destroyed after 6 trillion dollars, then don't dream by saying ISIS "will" be destroyed". Even the Syrian govt is giving up trying to destroy them, they're buying oil from them now. If Al-Qaeda can't be beat after all this time and trillions of dollars, ISIS is gonna be even harder to "destroy". They can be degraded if that's what you mean, but that's the responsibility of nations in the region.

And yeah Al-Qaeda hasn't pulled off attacks against America in a long time thankfully, but with our foreign policy as it stands now, Al-Qaeda AND ISIS recruitment is getting higher and higher. Muslims are the ones being killed in big numbers yeah, all the more reason why I want Americans to focus more on home and why I want other nations in the region to take care of the problem.

 

[zombie]

@kingblaze84

Isis and al Qaeda are two very different organizations and I would argue that this difference makes Isis easier to destroy. For one thing Isis is hated much more by other Muslims than al Qaeda is. So Isis has to fight the west, Iran, the Kurds and other Sunni Muslims.

Any one who is capable of being recruited by a terrorist organization is probably someone that was going to do something anyway. It's always a bad policy to allow fear to control your every move.if the USA worried too much about people that are going to hate us anyway we would never do anything.

The other nations in the region are largely unable to take care of the problem. And above all else Israel must not be agitated . The long term safety of the USA is dependent on her power abroad.

 

[kingblaze84]

@kingblaze84

Isis and al Qaeda are two very different organizations and I would argue that this difference makes Isis easier to destroy. For one thing Isis is hated much more by other Muslims than al Qaeda is. So Isis has to fight the west, Iran, the Kurds and other Sunni Muslims.

Any one who is capable of being recruited by a terrorist organization is probably someone that was going to do something anyway. It's always a bad policy to allow fear to control your every move.if the USA worried too much about people that are going to hate us anyway we would never do anything.

The other nations in the region are largely unable to take care of the problem. And above all else Israel must not be agitated . The long term safety of the USA is dependent on her power abroad.

ISIS and Al-Qaeda are different organizations but they're not as different as you think. ISIS used to be part of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, as far back as 2006. Al-Qaeda is even taking over cities In Yemen and Afghanistan now because they see how popular ISIS is getting, so they're starting to build up infrastructure to compete with the popularity of Islamic State. ISIS is still much bigger and powerful obviously, so why would they be easier to destroy?? More westerners and foreigners are joining ISIS then ever before and they have big help in Libya, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Syria, and Iraq, why do you think the Kurds and Iraqis are struggling to put them down? Even Iran is struggling to take on ISIS lately, they haven't made serious moves on Raqqa or Mosul. All the villages Iraqis and the Kurds have taken over hasn't stopped ISIS from getting more recruits.

And with America HELLBENT on weakening Iran via sanctions, ISIS is gonna get stronger. A weaker Iran is EXACTLY what ISIS wants, and if the sanctions on Iran get worse (which I predict), then ISIS and its Sunni friends are gonna have a celebration and grow. I agree the region can't beat ISIS on its own but here's a newsflash: America can't totally eliminate them either. America won't invade Turkey or Saudi Arabia right??? So how the hell is ISIS gonna be destroyed LOL

 

[kingblaze84]

Long term safety of America means:

Less evil foreign policies

No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel

Less stupid and reckless wars

If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

 

[zombie]

Long term safety of America means:

Less evil foreign policies

No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel

Less stupid and reckless wars

If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

EVIL IS SUBJECTIVE

ISRAEL IS NOT REALLY AN APARTHEID STATE that's just anti-israel propaganda



less reckless wars??? yes. Fight wars that have to be fought ??? yes

The war on terror will continue it will change and evolve just the way the cold war did it is not war in the traditional sense.

 

[kingblaze84]

Long term safety of America means:

Less evil foreign policies

No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel

Less stupid and reckless wars

If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

EVIL IS SUBJECTIVE

ISRAEL IS NOT REALLY AN APARTHEID STATE that's just anti-israel propaganda



less reckless wars??? yes. Fight wars that have to be fought ??? yes

The war on terror will continue it will change and evolve just the way the cold war did it is not war in the traditional sense.

Israel isn't an apartheid state?? You admitted it was one just a few weeks ago lol.....

 

[zombie]

Long term safety of America means:

Less evil foreign policies

No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel

Less stupid and reckless wars

If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

EVIL IS SUBJECTIVE

ISRAEL IS NOT REALLY AN APARTHEID STATE that's just anti-israel propaganda



less reckless wars??? yes. Fight wars that have to be fought ??? yes

The war on terror will continue it will change and evolve just the way the cold war did it is not war in the traditional sense.

Israel isn't an apartheid state?? You admitted it was one just a few weeks ago lol.....

I strictly speaking I was wrong

 

[cainvelasquez]

Long term safety of America means:

Less evil foreign policies

No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel

Less stupid and reckless wars

If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

They will have to if they want to enjoy prosperity. Alot of countries are out growing Europe now. These eurocentrists think they can dog around the world but those days are long gone. I can see America changing their approach to the world soon.

 

[Kakarot]

It's unfortunate people are suffering in N. Korea and the world is powerless to do anything simply because we're shook of China/Russia.

 

[zombie]

Long term safety of America means:

Less evil foreign policies

No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel

Less stupid and reckless wars

If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

They will have to if they want to enjoy prosperity. Alot of countries are out growing Europe now. These eurocentrists think they can dog around the world but those days are long gone. I can see America changing their approach to the world soon.

If that happens the world will be descend into darkness because very few nations around the world give a fuck about the well being of the world. Europe has not been central to the world since ww2 EUROPE is now a far leftist madhouse they are only now starting to regrow some balls

Africa is growing very fast but it's still a basket case

Asia is walking on thin ice, tensions are at an all time high in north east asia JAPAN is re-arming and china is starving for resources, north korea is a concentration camp nation.

russia is making all of eastern europe worry again.

western europe is in political and cultural turmoil.

I mean who is going to keep order in this world???? china, russia,saudi arabia,south africa, nigeria, india

 

[janklow]

Yeah the deaths from Vietnam can be vague but everyone can agree a WHOLE lot of people died when America escalated the war, especially with the chemical and munition bombs.

well, yes, a whole lot of people died when America escalated the war, but that's not the same thing as "America killed millions" (which i suppose avoids the question of "who's responsible for the war"), right?

also, "munition bombs?"

Other sources put America's toll much higher but the bottom line is the USA needs to stop getting involved in bad wars that hurt its reputation worldwide and don't do much else.

fine, but i am nitpicking these numbers

 

[kingblaze84]

Yeah the deaths from Vietnam can be vague but everyone can agree a WHOLE lot of people died when America escalated the war, especially with the chemical and munition bombs.

well, yes, a whole lot of people died when America escalated the war, but that's not the same thing as "America killed millions" (which i suppose avoids the question of "who's responsible for the war"), right?

also, "munition bombs?"

Other sources put America's toll much higher but the bottom line is the USA needs to stop getting involved in bad wars that hurt its reputation worldwide and don't do much else.

fine, but i am nitpicking these numbers

Who was most responsible for the Vietnam War? The Vietnamese I suppose, but it would have never gotten so big and bloody if America didn't escalate things. The CIA I believe admitted in the 1960s that most of the Vietnamese wanted a socialist or communist system, but the south Vietnamese leader asked Americans to help him stop the spread of communism. Once America bought into that, thanks to bad decision making from JFK, things got much, much worse and bloody for the people of Vietnam. JFK was said to regret getting America involved. Nitpicking the numbers is fine but there's no reason 58,000 Americans should have died in a wasteful war like that.

And munition bombs are cluster bombs, usually ones that don't involve chemical weapons.

 

[kingblaze84]

Long term safety of America means:

Less evil foreign policies

No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel

Less stupid and reckless wars

If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

They will have to if they want to enjoy prosperity. Alot of countries are out growing Europe now. These eurocentrists think they can dog around the world but those days are long gone. I can see America changing their approach to the world soon.

If that happens the world will be descend into darkness because very few nations around the world give a fuck about the well being of the world. Europe has not been central to the world since ww2 EUROPE is now a far leftist madhouse they are only now starting to regrow some balls

Africa is growing very fast but it's still a basket case

Asia is walking on thin ice, tensions are at an all time high in north east asia JAPAN is re-arming and china is starving for resources, north korea is a concentration camp nation.

russia is making all of eastern europe worry again.

western europe is in political and cultural turmoil.

I mean who is going to keep order in this world???? china, russia,saudi arabia,south africa, nigeria, india

Where the hell is America keeping order?? We already went into how America has a history of destabilizing nations. Stop it man, China is keeping NK in check too, and don't even act like America is keeping Russia in check. Russia does what it wants and it has more nuclear weapons then America now. If Russia wants to do something, IT WILL.

Iran has been fucking around with American troops up and down Yemen, their militias forced Americans to leave at GUNPOINT a few weeks ago. AND they told the American soldiers a few weeks ago to leave their weapons. We already went over how the Taliban run most of Afghanistan and ISIS is running wild in at least 4 nations now.

 

[kingblaze84]

Long term safety of America means:

Less evil foreign policies

No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel

Less stupid and reckless wars

If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

They will have to if they want to enjoy prosperity. Alot of countries are out growing Europe now. These eurocentrists think they can dog around the world but those days are long gone. I can see America changing their approach to the world soon.

I sincerely hope so....this constant warfare shit isn't working and is only making things worse.

 

[zombie]

Long term safety of America means:

Less evil foreign policies

No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel

Less stupid and reckless wars

If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

They will have to if they want to enjoy prosperity. Alot of countries are out growing Europe now. These eurocentrists think they can dog around the world but those days are long gone. I can see America changing their approach to the world soon.

If that happens the world will be descend into darkness because very few nations around the world give a fuck about the well being of the world. Europe has not been central to the world since ww2 EUROPE is now a far leftist madhouse they are only now starting to regrow some balls

Africa is growing very fast but it's still a basket case

Asia is walking on thin ice, tensions are at an all time high in north east asia JAPAN is re-arming and china is starving for resources, north korea is a concentration camp nation.

russia is making all of eastern europe worry again.

western europe is in political and cultural turmoil.

I mean who is going to keep order in this world???? china, russia,saudi arabia,south africa, nigeria, india

Where the hell is America keeping order?? We already went into how America has a history of destabilizing nations. Stop it man, China is keeping NK in check too, and don't even act like America is keeping Russia in check. Russia does what it wants and it has more nuclear weapons then America now. If Russia wants to do something, IT WILL.

Iran has been fucking around with American troops up and down Yemen, their militias forced Americans to leave at GUNPOINT a few weeks ago. AND they told the American soldiers a few weeks ago to leave their weapons. We already went over how the Taliban run most of Afghanistan and ISIS is running wild in at least 4 nations now.

We went over it already and you made a horrible argument. Russia is basically a dying society their entire economy is based on oil and they are in population decline. And Russia is basically now a local power they can only bully the small/weak states that surround them.

China will economically play games but militarily they won't go to far. They are already literally surrounded by American allies and military.

The muslim world is a disaster mostly because they are killing themselves but out of the multiplicity of nations in this world most are stable. And America being the reserve currency we decide a lot of the world's financial stability.

 

[zombie]

Russia no longer has the world wide scope of america and China cares nothing for other nations. It is the USA that keeps the world stable in more ways that one.

China has influence in nk but realistically nk has no interest in a fight they can barely feed their army. And our ally sk believes they will collapse eventually it's just a Matter of time so they are no real threat

 

[zombie]

The number one danger to the world is weak American leadership like what we have seen from these last two presidents