New KENDRICK LAMAR - THE BLACKER THE BERRY

[Bender Rodriguez]

Do we know the name of kendricks new cd??

 

[onthafly]

Do we know the name of kendricks new cd??

I thought it was on wikipedia but either I was mistaken or wikipedia removed the page mentioning the actual album.

 

[Mister B.]

I must don't come to the Reason at all these days, because I never heard the whole "Coondrick" movement.

But yeah, this track just reenergized my soul. Dots is nice, man. Can't no one say anything different.

 

[Kwan Dai]

Im convinced most of y'all ain't live in the streets and only know what y'all hear or see on TV.

Kendrick spoke the truth...period.

Gives no fucc what Orielly thinks ..I lost homies to foolish shit over the years. I've been a part of stomping on ah niggah cause he wore colors and a bandana I didn't agree with...but at the same time cops killing blacks for no reason. But I didn't give ah fucc at the time...

I seen Lupe fiasco cry on TV seeing old video clips of him in the hood seeing cats in the clip who were dead over sebsless violence. It hurt ..I felt it..I teared up cause its real..its senseless acts that shouldn't happen but it do... Cops kill us and getaway with it cause we are weak as a race we aren't united and to say we are is bullshit... Niggahs I know couldn't give a fucc what cornel West has to say ,they don't even know who he is, I know niggahs that don't even care about Trayvon or Michael. Cause when they open they door its the same shit.

Y'all hear it,y'all see it on TV but y'all don't live it. So how can y'all critique this mans message as bullshit?...its real talk.

What made you believe you are the only person that has lived in violent environments or participated in activities they aren't proud of? Don't come in here with your condescending nonsense. Your story aint unique. There are plenty of street cats and ex-bangers that will tell you it was a senseless killing that gave them the courage to turn their lives around for the better. So, to call a gangbanger or street cat a hypocrite for mourning death is, hoe shit. More importantly unproductive. Weeping shows remorse, heart and compassion. Which, we need if, we are going to get our families out of these streets and using their strength to fight against the powers that fucked up their neighborhoods while perpetuating the living conditions that enable gangbanging.

As was said earlier by another poster. Don't trivialize Racially motivated killings done with impunity by comparing it to everyday violence in Black neighborhoods.

 

[_Goldie_]

wow smh

 

[Jonah 2.0]

Kendrick still messes w/ a lot of cats who are still out there. That line may have been a wake up call to those around him who were quick to jump on the black lives matter/save black boys movement while still pushing the line in the hood.

 

[blackrain]

Let me put it like this:

When they flew 2 planes into the Towers and on 9/11 about 3,000 died..and everybody was riled up talking about wanting to bring those responsible to justice

Nobody spoke up and said "but, but, but, 10-15,000 Americans kill other Americans every year! How come nobody is riled up about that? In the same month that those people were killed by Al-Qaeda, how may Americans were killed by other Americans? Where's the outrage?"

That would have been a ridiculous thing to say. Any person of prominence who would have said that in the days after 9/11 would have gotten considerable backlash.

If Black people are rallied behind an issue that effects us and exposes one of the many symptoms of White Supremacy, what good does it do to try to dilute the message by pointing the finger back at Black people? What does the crime rate have to drop to before we're allowed to have a focused conversation about the external factors that are putting weight on us and our communities? Not everybody in the hood is in a gang. Not everybody that is out protesting screaming Black Lives Matter hates themselves or has low self-esteem or is trying to kill other Black people. White supremacy though effects EVERYBODY.

I think the song is dope. I definitely don't think Kendrick Lamar is a coon. I appreciate that Kendrick dropped a record about Black consciousness even though it's not from my own point of view because maybe it will inspire an artist to drop a song that will be more in line with my views. I'm definitely checking for the album.

Exactly, and one of the effects white supremacy (unfortunately), is forced hyperawareness. Black people are too often treated as a monolith, so when we hear stuff like that Kendrick line, it sounds like one of those racist tropes thrown at us to silence our outrage, and when it comes from the mouth of a black person it can irk some people.

That's the reason some black people are weary of shows like Empire (which I like btw), and the elevation of ignorant black people by the predominantly white media, because white supremacy means we're super aware of anything that negatively stereotypes us. So when you hear likes like Kendrick's, or Pharrell's Mike Brown comment, it's serves as a perfect soundbite for whites to say "see! ever your own know how thuggish you are."

In this racist bullshit system we live in, even if you don't agree with posters not liking that line, you should at least understand why it might be viewed as problematic, it shouldn't be that way at all, but it is our reality. Maybe if it was an issue he tackled in another song, it would have been better.

Anyway, overall that tracks pretty cool, but I'll wait for some more tracks to drop.

Oh, and a bit of background on that guy in the gifset/video dropped. His name's Akala, he's rapper/poet these days, and he is continuously taking white people to task over here in the UK. He was recently on some panel taking about gentrification, and he basically told the white people that the only reason they find these neighbourhoods "exciting" now is because they've pushed all the scary black people out. He's pretty consistent.

I agree 100% with being able to understand why someone may have a problem with a certain line or comment but if you know the intent of the line/comment and the intent of the person stating it why choose to take it in a negative way? This is why context is key because the hyperawareness often makes us hear things out of context as stand alone statement yet certain, key word is certain, things said are in the right context it makes sense and can take on a different meaning. People know that Kendrick isn't on some coon shit so why fight so hard to make it that just to fit that narrative? It's like people almost want it to happen so they can say "See there goes another one I knew they were all sell outs"

 

[matt mane]

i liked field mob blacker the berry better

 

[kingblaze84]

Let me put it like this:

When they flew 2 planes into the Towers and on 9/11 about 3,000 died..and everybody was riled up talking about wanting to bring those responsible to justice

Nobody spoke up and said "but, but, but, 10-15,000 Americans kill other Americans every year! How come nobody is riled up about that? In the same month that those people were killed by Al-Qaeda, how may Americans were killed by other Americans? Where's the outrage?"

That would have been a ridiculous thing to say. Any person of prominence who would have said that in the days after 9/11 would have gotten considerable backlash.

If Black people are rallied behind an issue that effects us and exposes one of the many symptoms of White Supremacy, what good does it do to try to dilute the message by pointing the finger back at Black people? What does the crime rate have to drop to before we're allowed to have a focused conversation about the external factors that are putting weight on us and our communities? Not everybody in the hood is in a gang. Not everybody that is out protesting screaming Black Lives Matter hates themselves or has low self-esteem or is trying to kill other Black people. White supremacy though effects EVERYBODY.

I think the song is dope. I definitely don't think Kendrick Lamar is a coon. I appreciate that Kendrick dropped a record about Black consciousness even though it's not from my own point of view because maybe it will inspire an artist to drop a song that will be more in line with my views. I'm definitely checking for the album.

You normally make good points fam, but that was a terrible analogy. Comparing black on black crime (something we can control) to terrorist attacts (something we cant control) ? Word?

Nah you looking at it wrong. It's internal vs external.

We can control black on black crime (internal)

We ultimately can't control police brutality against us or the injustices of the justice system against us, we can only work to influence their occurrences (external)

Americans in general can control our own murder rate (internal)

America can't control whether or not a terrorist launches an attack against America , it can only work to influence their occurrences (external)

And also, depending on your own definition of terrorism I would argue that many police departments nationwide are guilty of terrorist acts, on a small scale. It's all about psychological warfare and I'm sure you won't argue that the police indulge in that.

Basically, I'm comparing the actions of the police and the justice system to terrorism. We in Black America should respond to terrorism with the same attitude regular America does.

I agree 100% fam.

But you said:

Nobody spoke up and said "but, but, but, 10-15,000 Americans kill other Americans every year! How come nobody is riled up about that?

^^ That would be from the perspective of a normal citizen. Again, K.Dot was speaking from the pov of a killer. If he was one of the people who killed a handful of those 10,000, would that not be hypocritical to say?

Absolutely but in this particular instance I kind of have in mind Kendrick's interview with Billboard where he said

What happened to [Michael Brown] should've never happened. Never. But when we don't have respect for ourselves, how do we expect them to respect us? It starts from within

So I guess you could say I'm coming in to the song looking at it kind of slanted. I feel like the 3rd verse was kind of an extension of that mind state, but with some poetic/artistic freedom.

What happened to [Michael Brown] should've never happened. Never. But when we don't have respect for ourselves, how do we expect them to respect us? It starts from within

See, this type thinking really gets to me. If racism is fundamentally illogical, why would people who have this mindset, act reasonably and bother with something like respect?

That's why I mention people/situations like Black Wall Street and Garvey, because they epitomise self-deterimination. White pull are always on some "blacks just want handouts" shit, and you've got these examples (just two of many) where black people were like, 'fuck you, we got this' and you would think this kind of behaviour would demand respect right? Well we all know what happened, so this "respect ourselves and then they'll respect us" line of thinking holds no water. If anything, it just lets white people pass the proverbial buck.

Powerful post

 

[lamontbdc]

yea this that shit right here

 

[Stiff]

YES. What good is building up yourself internal if externally there are forces that are constantly going to be working to undermine and circumvent your progress? Marcus Garvey was about self-identity and Black self-determination..but the "powers that be" removed him from the country.

Black WallStreet epitomized Black Capitalism and Black prosperity. It was ultimately destroyed by white people with full protection from the justice system (aka the "powers that be"). So the "powers that be" aren't worth devoting some attention to?

Like trying to build a house on unstable ground. Anything you build is vulnerable for collapse.

So fucking what.

When them towers got knocked down in nyc, they built another one even taller , on the same spot. That's white ppl 4 ya, and y i respect them.

Yea they destroyed our movements n leaders, we should instead focus on where it went wrong. how to avoid it from happening again, and build on their movements even bigger n better.

Ya niggas sound like y'all are cool with white supremacy, and the planatation. As long as massa dont whip yo ass too much.

My nigga honestly your whole stance in this thread is a direct contradiction to the stuff you were talking in the Mike Brown thread over the summer and pretty inconsistent. So you don't believe the shit you were talking in that thread? Or have your views changed or what is it. A sample of the shit you were on back then:

niggas dont really care about building black buisnesses.

if ya did, it would of been done. Shit is a facade, its scared talk, a fucking smoke screen.

Blacks had all the time in the world, to build up our communities , and create infasctrure.

Right Now, Blacks are being killed by police, and krackas all over the states, but u wanna build businesses???

and before the blacks kill blacks rhetoric.

in the hood, where black on black crime is prominent. the niggas who get killed are intended targets. If u stay away from the under world life style, then u really have nothing to worry about.

Niggas in the hood, are not being killed at random, for being black at the wrong place, and time.

This shit right here, is a statement. When the british was getting on the colonists ass. The colonists didnt say, well lets build colonist buisnesses.

no nigga, they made statements. matter of fact, the first to die in the American Revoloution was a nigga,Crispus Attucks. Niggas are willing to die over cracka shit, but when its time to fight for their humanity, it's lets build buisnesses.

@D0wn

 

[D0wn]

Let me put it like this:

When they flew 2 planes into the Towers and on 9/11 about 3,000 died..and everybody was riled up talking about wanting to bring those responsible to justice

Nobody spoke up and said "but, but, but, 10-15,000 Americans kill other Americans every year! How come nobody is riled up about that? In the same month that those people were killed by Al-Qaeda, how may Americans were killed by other Americans? Where's the outrage?"

That would have been a ridiculous thing to say. Any person of prominence who would have said that in the days after 9/11 would have gotten considerable backlash.

If Black people are rallied behind an issue that effects us and exposes one of the many symptoms of White Supremacy, what good does it do to try to dilute the message by pointing the finger back at Black people? What does the crime rate have to drop to before we're allowed to have a focused conversation about the external factors that are putting weight on us and our communities? Not everybody in the hood is in a gang. Not everybody that is out protesting screaming Black Lives Matter hates themselves or has low self-esteem or is trying to kill other Black people. White supremacy though effects EVERYBODY.

I think the song is dope. I definitely don't think Kendrick Lamar is a coon. I appreciate that Kendrick dropped a record about Black consciousness even though it's not from my own point of view because maybe it will inspire an artist to drop a song that will be more in line with my views. I'm definitely checking for the album.

Exactly, and one of the effects white supremacy (unfortunately), is forced hyperawareness. Black people are too often treated as a monolith, so when we hear stuff like that Kendrick line, it sounds like one of those racist tropes thrown at us to silence our outrage, and when it comes from the mouth of a black person it can irk some people.

That's the reason some black people are weary of shows like Empire (which I like btw), and the elevation of ignorant black people by the predominantly white media, because white supremacy means we're super aware of anything that negatively stereotypes us. So when you hear likes like Kendrick's, or Pharrell's Mike Brown comment, it's serves as a perfect soundbite for whites to say "see! ever your own know how thuggish you are."

In this racist bullshit system we live in, even if you don't agree with posters not liking that line, you should at least understand why it might be viewed as problematic, it shouldn't be that way at all, but it is our reality. Maybe if it was an issue he tackled in another song, it would have been better.

Anyway, overall that tracks pretty cool, but I'll wait for some more tracks to drop.

Oh, and a bit of background on that guy in the gifset/video dropped. His name's Akala, he's rapper/poet these days, and he is continuously taking white people to task over here in the UK. He was recently on some panel taking about gentrification, and he basically told the white people that the only reason they find these neighbourhoods "exciting" now is because they've pushed all the scary black people out. He's pretty consistent.

I agree 100% with being able to understand why someone may have a problem with a certain line or comment but if you know the intent of the line/comment and the intent of the person stating it why choose to take it in a negative way? This is why context is key because the hyperawareness often makes us hear things out of context as stand alone statement yet certain, key word is certain, things said are in the right context it makes sense and can take on a different meaning. People know that Kendrick isn't on some coon shit so why fight so hard to make it that just to fit that narrative? It's like people almost want it to happen so they can say "See there goes another one I knew they were all sell outs"

most Blk ppl love their fucked up ways. They're lost.

When u say something real, they rather dissect u, n look for flaws, Instead of utilizing the gems u gave them.

 

[God_Yunn]

Im convinced most of y'all ain't live in the streets and only know what y'all hear or see on TV.

Kendrick spoke the truth...period.

Gives no fucc what Orielly thinks ..I lost homies to foolish shit over the years. I've been a part of stomping on ah niggah cause he wore colors and a bandana I didn't agree with...but at the same time cops killing blacks for no reason. But I didn't give ah fucc at the time...

I seen Lupe fiasco cry on TV seeing old video clips of him in the hood seeing cats in the clip who were dead over sebsless violence. It hurt ..I felt it..I teared up cause its real..its senseless acts that shouldn't happen but it do... Cops kill us and getaway with it cause we are weak as a race we aren't united and to say we are is bullshit... Niggahs I know couldn't give a fucc what cornel West has to say ,they don't even know who he is, I know niggahs that don't even care about Trayvon or Michael. Cause when they open they door its the same shit.

Y'all hear it,y'all see it on TV but y'all don't live it. So how can y'all critique this mans message as bullshit?...its real talk.

What made you believe you are the only person that has lived in violent environments or participated in activities they aren't proud of? Don't come in here with your condescending nonsense. Your story aint unique. There are plenty of street cats and ex-bangers that will tell you it was a senseless killing that gave them the courage to turn their lives around for the better. So, to call a gangbanger or street cat a hypocrite for mourning death is, hoe shit. More importantly unproductive. Weeping shows remorse, heart and compassion. Which, we need if, we are going to get our families out of these streets and using their strength to fight against the powers that fucked up their neighborhoods while perpetuating the living conditions that enable gangbanging.

As was said earlier by another poster. Don't trivialize Racially motivated killings done with impunity by comparing it to everyday violence in Black neighborhoods.

Just....smh....

You missing the point.

Ain't no used to go back n forth.

 

[D0wn]

YES. What good is building up yourself internal if externally there are forces that are constantly going to be working to undermine and circumvent your progress? Marcus Garvey was about self-identity and Black self-determination..but the "powers that be" removed him from the country.

Black WallStreet epitomized Black Capitalism and Black prosperity. It was ultimately destroyed by white people with full protection from the justice system (aka the "powers that be"). So the "powers that be" aren't worth devoting some attention to?

Like trying to build a house on unstable ground. Anything you build is vulnerable for collapse.

So fucking what.

When them towers got knocked down in nyc, they built another one even taller , on the same spot. That's white ppl 4 ya, and y i respect them.

Yea they destroyed our movements n leaders, we should instead focus on where it went wrong. how to avoid it from happening again, and build on their movements even bigger n better.

Ya niggas sound like y'all are cool with white supremacy, and the planatation. As long as massa dont whip yo ass too much.

My nigga honestly your whole stance in this thread is a direct contradiction to the stuff you were talking in the Mike Brown thread over the summer and pretty inconsistent. So you don't believe the shit you were talking in that thread? Or have your views changed or what is it. A sample of the shit you were on back then:

niggas dont really care about building black buisnesses.

if ya did, it would of been done. Shit is a facade, its scared talk, a fucking smoke screen.

Blacks had all the time in the world, to build up our communities , and create infasctrure.

Right Now, Blacks are being killed by police, and krackas all over the states, but u wanna build businesses???

and before the blacks kill blacks rhetoric.

in the hood, where black on black crime is prominent. the niggas who get killed are intended targets. If u stay away from the under world life style, then u really have nothing to worry about.

Niggas in the hood, are not being killed at random, for being black at the wrong place, and time.

This shit right here, is a statement. When the british was getting on the colonists ass. The colonists didnt say, well lets build colonist buisnesses.

no nigga, they made statements. matter of fact, the first to die in the American Revoloution was a nigga,Crispus Attucks. Niggas are willing to die over cracka shit, but when its time to fight for their humanity, it's lets build buisnesses.

@D0wn

context is significant...

That was when mike brown was killed. And Fergusoners were protesting , and tearing shit up.

And i was supporting that.

There were posters in that thread, at that moment, who were saying, "why are angry black Ferguson protesters , in that moment not building black businesses" instead.

IT sounds great on paper, but in that instance, in that moment .that wasn't the time for that..

Ppl were angry at the moment and wanted answers..

That was a time to tear shit up.

 

[RickyRich]

shout out to kendrick show love to JA by puttin dancehall artist assassin on this

 

[Stiff]

Nigga the context ain't change that much

D0wn in this thread:

Stop.

America has resources and an economic base... It has structure, and a national community. That gave it the ability to combat Terroism.

What resources, structure, economic base , community do blacks have to combat white supremacy???

We in the black community have things to resolve first, such as sense less gang killings... Lack of buisnesses, camaraderie, community, family, finaces, self knowledge and worth.

D0wn previously:

Right Now, Blacks are being killed by police, and krackas all over the states, but u wanna build businesses???

D0wn in this thread:

We are at the american revoloution stage, N R trying to unite the 13 seperate colonies

D0wn previously:

When the british was getting on the colonists ass. The colonists didnt say, well lets build colonist buisnesses.

no nigga, they made statements. matter of fact, the first to die in the American Revoloution was a nigga,Crispus Attucks. Niggas are willing to die over cracka shit, but when its time to fight for their humanity, it's lets build buisnesses.

I'm not arguing with you about this no'more I'm just gonna use the words of Trill D0wn against you, new D0wn.

 

[KingFreeman]

Rip

 

[D0wn]

Nigga the context ain't change that much

D0wn in this thread:

Stop.

America has resources and an economic base... It has structure, and a national community. That gave it the ability to combat Terroism.

What resources, structure, economic base , community do blacks have to combat white supremacy???

We in the black community have things to resolve first, such as sense less gang killings... Lack of buisnesses, camaraderie, community, family, finaces, self knowledge and worth.

D0wn previously:

Right Now, Blacks are being killed by police, and krackas all over the states, but u wanna build businesses???

D0wn in this thread:

We are at the american revoloution stage, N R trying to unite the 13 seperate colonies

D0wn previously:

When the british was getting on the colonists ass. The colonists didnt say, well lets build colonist buisnesses.

no nigga, they made statements. matter of fact, the first to die in the American Revoloution was a nigga,Crispus Attucks. Niggas are willing to die over cracka shit, but when its time to fight for their humanity, it's lets build buisnesses.

I'm not arguing with you about this no'more I'm just gonna use the words of Trill D0wn against you, new D0wn.

Different moments, call for different notions of action.

At that moment, it was time to bang. Now we at this moment, need to build.

U dont build when its time to bang, and bang when its time to build. Act accordingly.

 

[dwade206]

I'm not a fan of dude's music though he's a very much needed artist, but this track is absolutely incredible. I heard the first minute and automatically thought that this dude should be leading the way for Hip Hop.

 

[bkzlostchild]

Great job on the beat Boi 1 da