New KENDRICK LAMAR - THE BLACKER THE BERRY

[Stiff]

Let me put it like this:

When they flew 2 planes into the Towers and on 9/11 about 3,000 died..and everybody was riled up talking about wanting to bring those responsible to justice

Nobody spoke up and said "but, but, but, 10-15,000 Americans kill other Americans every year! How come nobody is riled up about that? In the same month that those people were killed by Al-Qaeda, how may Americans were killed by other Americans? Where's the outrage?"

That would have been a ridiculous thing to say. Any person of prominence who would have said that in the days after 9/11 would have gotten considerable backlash.

If Black people are rallied behind an issue that effects us and exposes one of the many symptoms of White Supremacy, what good does it do to try to dilute the message by pointing the finger back at Black people? What does the crime rate have to drop to before we're allowed to have a focused conversation about the external factors that are putting weight on us and our communities? Not everybody in the hood is in a gang. Not everybody that is out protesting screaming Black Lives Matter hates themselves or has low self-esteem or is trying to kill other Black people. White supremacy though effects EVERYBODY.

I think the song is dope. I definitely don't think Kendrick Lamar is a coon. I appreciate that Kendrick dropped a record about Black consciousness even though it's not from my own point of view because maybe it will inspire an artist to drop a song that will be more in line with my views. I'm definitely checking for the album.

You normally make good points fam, but that was a terrible analogy. Comparing black on black crime (something we can control) to terrorist attacts (something we cant control) ? Word?

Nah you looking at it wrong. It's internal vs external.

We can control black on black crime (internal)

We ultimately can't control police brutality against us or the injustices of the justice system against us, we can only work to influence their occurrences (external)

Americans in general can control our own murder rate (internal)

America can't control whether or not a terrorist launches an attack against America , it can only work to influence their occurrences (external)

And also, depending on your own definition of terrorism I would argue that many police departments nationwide are guilty of terrorist acts, on a small scale. It's all about psychological warfare and I'm sure you won't argue that the police indulge in that.

Basically, I'm comparing the actions of the police and the justice system to terrorism. We in Black America should respond to terrorism with the same attitude regular America does.

I agree 100% fam.

But you said:

Nobody spoke up and said "but, but, but, 10-15,000 Americans kill other Americans every year! How come nobody is riled up about that?

^^ That would be from the perspective of a normal citizen. Again, K.Dot was speaking from the pov of a killer. If he was one of the people who killed a handful of those 10,000, would that not be hypocritical to say?

Absolutely but in this particular instance I kind of have in mind Kendrick's interview with Billboard where he said

What happened to [Michael Brown] should've never happened. Never. But when we don't have respect for ourselves, how do we expect them to respect us? It starts from within

So I guess you could say I'm coming in to the song looking at it kind of slanted. I feel like the 3rd verse was kind of an extension of that mind state, but with some poetic/artistic freedom.

 

[EyeofAsaru]

See

HE AINT NO FUCKING BANGER. SO FUCK HIS PERSPECTIVE ON THIS WHOLE SHIT. STOP LETTING WACK NIGGAS SPEAK FOR YOU.

So... we should say fuck Cube's perspective on this too, since he isn't a banger?

Bruh u can't compare cube to Lamar..waaaaay more street niggas felt cube than Kendricks good kid PG-13 sheep amongst wolves narratives..

Cube was affliated with the old NOI which introduced a whole another dynamic that Kendrick hasnt began to touch on...

Cube didn't have to bang to still be appointed by the streets to speak on their behalf..its evident

This was then, this is now. This aint 1991 nigga , this is 2015.

On a mainstream level kendrick n cole r needed.

Decisive niggas aint shit.

Lmao..and u say conscious niggas sound like they getting raped? Projection a muthafucka,b....bruh turn the fuck down...i was speaking about their influence over people...

You are right and wrong in your assessment...

CERTAIN niggas need that diet rap realness spewed by Kendrick and Cole..

But for the elite niggas who have already ingested the red pill...that song lyrically is some ol goo goo gaga baby militant talk...kendrick JUST laced up his goretex boots..he still got milk on his breath...

There's a level beyond race and this so called music industry

So take your cape off and sit yo ass down..stanley

Cool, then sit yo elite ass down.

Cole n Kendrick r for the young niggas , of my generation, who were, and are asleep.

Your time past gramps. Instead of lacing the youth, u online with ya musty dashiki .on some, "look at me" shit.

Nigga I am young..age has absolutely nothing to do with awakening you mangina...there are OGs who are still asleep..

You ain't no different than a cracka creating separation between our young and old..they balance each other out..youth with no guidance is like a blazing fire with no kettle to control it...

But you go right ahead and keep pushing that "abuse" button on my comments like a battered wife..you corny ass slushhead...

 

[MrCrookedLetter]

Yall niggas don't like shit

 

[Stew]

This shit is sad.

 

[Stiff]

Yall niggas don't like shit

This shit is sad.

lmao i like the song and love kendrick as a artist..but it's a deep record and has some layers that are worth discussing. ain't that what this board is for? this ain't no migos records there's some shit up in here

 

[Stiff]

Let me put it like this:

When they flew 2 planes into the Towers and on 9/11 about 3,000 died..and everybody was riled up talking about wanting to bring those responsible to justice

Nobody spoke up and said "but, but, but, 10-15,000 Americans kill other Americans every year! How come nobody is riled up about that? In the same month that those people were killed by Al-Qaeda, how may Americans were killed by other Americans? Where's the outrage?"

That would have been a ridiculous thing to say. Any person of prominence who would have said that in the days after 9/11 would have gotten considerable backlash.

If Black people are rallied behind an issue that effects us and exposes one of the many symptoms of White Supremacy, what good does it do to try to dilute the message by pointing the finger back at Black people? What does the crime rate have to drop to before we're allowed to have a focused conversation about the external factors that are putting weight on us and our communities? Not everybody in the hood is in a gang. Not everybody that is out protesting screaming Black Lives Matter hates themselves or has low self-esteem or is trying to kill other Black people. White supremacy though effects EVERYBODY.

I think the song is dope. I definitely don't think Kendrick Lamar is a coon. I appreciate that Kendrick dropped a record about Black consciousness even though it's not from my own point of view because maybe it will inspire an artist to drop a song that will be more in line with my views. I'm definitely checking for the album.

You normally make good points fam, but that was a terrible analogy. Comparing black on black crime (something we can control) to terrorist attacts (something we cant control) ? Word?

Nah you looking at it wrong. It's internal vs external.

We can control black on black crime (internal)

We ultimately can't control police brutality against us or the injustices of the justice system against us, we can only work to influence their occurrences (external)

Americans in general can control our own murder rate (internal)

America can't control whether or not a terrorist launches an attack against America , it can only work to influence their occurrences (external)

And also, depending on your own definition of terrorism I would argue that many police departments nationwide are guilty of terrorist acts, on a small scale. It's all about psychological warfare and I'm sure you won't argue that the police indulge in that.

Basically, I'm comparing the actions of the police and the justice system to terrorism. We in Black America should respond to terrorism with the same attitude regular America does.

I agree 100% fam.

But you said:

Nobody spoke up and said "but, but, but, 10-15,000 Americans kill other Americans every year! How come nobody is riled up about that?

^^ That would be from the perspective of a normal citizen. Again, K.Dot was speaking from the pov of a killer. If he was one of the people who killed a handful of those 10,000, would that not be hypocritical to say?

Absolutely but in this particular instance I kind of have in mind Kendrick's interview with Billboard where he said

What happened to [Michael Brown] should've never happened. Never. But when we don't have respect for ourselves, how do we expect them to respect us? It starts from within

So I guess you could say I'm coming in to the song looking at it kind of slanted. I feel like the 3rd verse was kind of an extension of that mind state, but with some poetic/artistic freedom.

What happened to [Michael Brown] should've never happened. Never. But when we don't have respect for ourselves, how do we expect them to respect us? It starts from within

See, this type thinking really gets to me. If racism is fundamentally illogical, why would people who have this mindset, act reasonably and bother with something like respect?

That's why I mention people/situations like Black Wall Street and Garvey, because they epitomise self-deterimination. White pull are always on some "blacks just want handouts" shit, and you've got these examples (just two of many) where black people were like, 'fuck you, we got this' and you would think this kind of behaviour would demand respect right? Well we all know what happened, so this "respect ourselves and then they'll respect us" line of thinking holds no water. If anything, it just lets white people pass the proverbial buck.

YES. What good is building up yourself internal if externally there are forces that are constantly going to be working to undermine and circumvent your progress? Marcus Garvey was about self-identity and Black self-determination..but the "powers that be" removed him from the country.

Black WallStreet epitomized Black Capitalism and Black prosperity. It was ultimately destroyed by white people with full protection from the justice system (aka the "powers that be"). So the "powers that be" aren't worth devoting some attention to?

Like trying to build a house on unstable ground. Anything you build is vulnerable for collapse.

 

[Stew]

Yall niggas don't like shit

This shit is sad.

lmao i like the song and love kendrick as a artist..but it's a deep record and has some layers that are worth discussing. ain't that what this board is for? this ain't no migos records there's some shit up in here

U right.

 

[D0wn]

Let me put it like this:

When they flew 2 planes into the Towers and on 9/11 about 3,000 died..and everybody was riled up talking about wanting to bring those responsible to justice

Nobody spoke up and said "but, but, but, 10-15,000 Americans kill other Americans every year! How come nobody is riled up about that? In the same month that those people were killed by Al-Qaeda, how may Americans were killed by other Americans? Where's the outrage?"

That would have been a ridiculous thing to say. Any person of prominence who would have said that in the days after 9/11 would have gotten considerable backlash.

If Black people are rallied behind an issue that effects us and exposes one of the many symptoms of White Supremacy, what good does it do to try to dilute the message by pointing the finger back at Black people? What does the crime rate have to drop to before we're allowed to have a focused conversation about the external factors that are putting weight on us and our communities? Not everybody in the hood is in a gang. Not everybody that is out protesting screaming Black Lives Matter hates themselves or has low self-esteem or is trying to kill other Black people. White supremacy though effects EVERYBODY.

I think the song is dope. I definitely don't think Kendrick Lamar is a coon. I appreciate that Kendrick dropped a record about Black consciousness even though it's not from my own point of view because maybe it will inspire an artist to drop a song that will be more in line with my views. I'm definitely checking for the album.

Stop.

America has resources and an economic base... It has structure, and a national community. That gave it the ability to combat Terroism.

What resources, structure, economic base , community do blacks have to combat white supremacy???

We are at the american revoloution stage, N R trying to unite the 13 seperate colonies

We in the black community have things to resolve first, such as sense less gang killings... Lack of buisnesses, camaraderie, community, family, finaces, self knowledge and worth.

Pointing out white supremacy dont mean squat. This country is built on white supremacy, and benefit those in power.

White supremacy aint going anywhere, unless blacks resolve the issues that are holding us back.

Alright, using your own american revolution analogy:

Did the 13 colonies wait until they were on the exact same page about everything before they declared their independence and started the revolution? Did they wait until all their ducks were in a row? Did they wait until the Constitution was already drawn up first? Or did they decide to cross that bridge when they came to it and get to fighting?

When they started the revolution they were divided on so many levels on various issues. They didn't know what form of government was going to form once they were free from Britain. People who lived in the NorthEast didn't live like people who lived in the South. They didn't agree on slavery, tariffs, the size and scope of federal government, etc.

But they realized it was in their best interest to cast aside differences for the moment to deal with the task at hand. Getting free from Britain. All the other shit could be figured out later.

Again I pose this question to you:

What does the crime rate have to be at amongst Black people before we should start to focus on White Supremacy?

What does the per-capita income have to be for Black Americans before we should start to focus on White Supremacy?

What should the entrepreneurship rate be amongst Black Americans before we start to discuss White Supremacy?

How do you measure Black camaraderie to know when we should begin to discuss White Supremacy?

Specific numbers please.

Sounds like you're waiting on a perfect time bro. The time is never going to be perfect, that shit gotta get handled tho

1. . Yes they were differences, perfection is not a reality. Yet, Yes They were on the same pg .

Same paragraph ? Same sentence ? No.

Same page, yes.

They signed treaties with one another, had codes amongst one another, and had the same goals...

What codes do we have in the black community?? what goals do we have? Is there even a black unified community?

Fuck a pg. we on different books. N u know this.

 

[BoogaSuga]

Just listened

Hardest track of 2015 so far

If Taraji heard the album. Any word on release date?

 

[Stiff]

Let me put it like this:

When they flew 2 planes into the Towers and on 9/11 about 3,000 died..and everybody was riled up talking about wanting to bring those responsible to justice

Nobody spoke up and said "but, but, but, 10-15,000 Americans kill other Americans every year! How come nobody is riled up about that? In the same month that those people were killed by Al-Qaeda, how may Americans were killed by other Americans? Where's the outrage?"

That would have been a ridiculous thing to say. Any person of prominence who would have said that in the days after 9/11 would have gotten considerable backlash.

If Black people are rallied behind an issue that effects us and exposes one of the many symptoms of White Supremacy, what good does it do to try to dilute the message by pointing the finger back at Black people? What does the crime rate have to drop to before we're allowed to have a focused conversation about the external factors that are putting weight on us and our communities? Not everybody in the hood is in a gang. Not everybody that is out protesting screaming Black Lives Matter hates themselves or has low self-esteem or is trying to kill other Black people. White supremacy though effects EVERYBODY.

I think the song is dope. I definitely don't think Kendrick Lamar is a coon. I appreciate that Kendrick dropped a record about Black consciousness even though it's not from my own point of view because maybe it will inspire an artist to drop a song that will be more in line with my views. I'm definitely checking for the album.

Stop.

America has resources and an economic base... It has structure, and a national community. That gave it the ability to combat Terroism.

What resources, structure, economic base , community do blacks have to combat white supremacy???

We are at the american revoloution stage, N R trying to unite the 13 seperate colonies

We in the black community have things to resolve first, such as sense less gang killings... Lack of buisnesses, camaraderie, community, family, finaces, self knowledge and worth.

Pointing out white supremacy dont mean squat. This country is built on white supremacy, and benefit those in power.

White supremacy aint going anywhere, unless blacks resolve the issues that are holding us back.

Alright, using your own american revolution analogy:

Did the 13 colonies wait until they were on the exact same page about everything before they declared their independence and started the revolution? Did they wait until all their ducks were in a row? Did they wait until the Constitution was already drawn up first? Or did they decide to cross that bridge when they came to it and get to fighting?

When they started the revolution they were divided on so many levels on various issues. They didn't know what form of government was going to form once they were free from Britain. People who lived in the NorthEast didn't live like people who lived in the South. They didn't agree on slavery, tariffs, the size and scope of federal government, etc.

But they realized it was in their best interest to cast aside differences for the moment to deal with the task at hand. Getting free from Britain. All the other shit could be figured out later.

Again I pose this question to you:

What does the crime rate have to be at amongst Black people before we should start to focus on White Supremacy?

What does the per-capita income have to be for Black Americans before we should start to focus on White Supremacy?

What should the entrepreneurship rate be amongst Black Americans before we start to discuss White Supremacy?

How do you measure Black camaraderie to know when we should begin to discuss White Supremacy?

Specific numbers please.

Sounds like you're waiting on a perfect time bro. The time is never going to be perfect, that shit gotta get handled tho

1. . Yes they were differences, perfection is not a reality. Yet, Yes They were on the same pg .

Same paragraph ? Same sentence ? No.

Same page, yes.

They signed treaties with one another, had codes amongst one another, and had the same goals...

What codes do we have in the black community?? what goals do we have? Is there even a black unified community?

Fuck a pg. we on different books. N u know this.

I feel like the average Black person knows that shit is rigged and not in their favor. That's being on the same page to me. We can go from there.

 

[D0wn]

YES. What good is building up yourself internal if externally there are forces that are constantly going to be working to undermine and circumvent your progress? Marcus Garvey was about self-identity and Black self-determination..but the "powers that be" removed him from the country.

Black WallStreet epitomized Black Capitalism and Black prosperity. It was ultimately destroyed by white people with full protection from the justice system (aka the "powers that be"). So the "powers that be" aren't worth devoting some attention to?

Like trying to build a house on unstable ground. Anything you build is vulnerable for collapse.

So fucking what.

When them towers got knocked down in nyc, they built another one even taller , on the same spot. That's white ppl 4 ya, and y i respect them.

Yea they destroyed our movements n leaders, we should instead focus on where it went wrong. how to avoid it from happening again, and build on their movements even bigger n better.

Ya niggas sound like y'all are cool with white supremacy, and the planatation. As long as massa dont whip yo ass too much.

 

[_Goldie_]

Let me put it like this:

When they flew 2 planes into the Towers and on 9/11 about 3,000 died..and everybody was riled up talking about wanting to bring those responsible to justice

Nobody spoke up and said "but, but, but, 10-15,000 Americans kill other Americans every year! How come nobody is riled up about that? In the same month that those people were killed by Al-Qaeda, how may Americans were killed by other Americans? Where's the outrage?"

That would have been a ridiculous thing to say. Any person of prominence who would have said that in the days after 9/11 would have gotten considerable backlash.

If Black people are rallied behind an issue that effects us and exposes one of the many symptoms of White Supremacy, what good does it do to try to dilute the message by pointing the finger back at Black people? What does the crime rate have to drop to before we're allowed to have a focused conversation about the external factors that are putting weight on us and our communities? Not everybody in the hood is in a gang. Not everybody that is out protesting screaming Black Lives Matter hates themselves or has low self-esteem or is trying to kill other Black people. White supremacy though effects EVERYBODY.

I think the song is dope. I definitely don't think Kendrick Lamar is a coon. I appreciate that Kendrick dropped a record about Black consciousness even though it's not from my own point of view because maybe it will inspire an artist to drop a song that will be more in line with my views. I'm definitely checking for the album.

You normally make good points fam, but that was a terrible analogy. Comparing black on black crime (something we can control) to terrorist attacts (something we cant control) ? Word?

Nah you looking at it wrong. It's internal vs external.

We can control black on black crime (internal)

We ultimately can't control police brutality against us or the injustices of the justice system against us, we can only work to influence their occurrences (external)

Americans in general can control our own murder rate (internal)

America can't control whether or not a terrorist launches an attack against America , it can only work to influence their occurrences (external)

And also, depending on your own definition of terrorism I would argue that many police departments nationwide are guilty of terrorist acts, on a small scale. It's all about psychological warfare and I'm sure you won't argue that the police indulge in that.

Basically, I'm comparing the actions of the police and the justice system to terrorism. We in Black America should respond to terrorism with the same attitude regular America does.

I agree 100% fam.

But you said:

Nobody spoke up and said "but, but, but, 10-15,000 Americans kill other Americans every year! How come nobody is riled up about that?

^^ That would be from the perspective of a normal citizen. Again, K.Dot was speaking from the pov of a killer. If he was one of the people who killed a handful of those 10,000, would that not be hypocritical to say?

Absolutely but in this particular instance I kind of have in mind Kendrick's interview with Billboard where he said

What happened to [Michael Brown] should've never happened. Never. But when we don't have respect for ourselves, how do we expect them to respect us? It starts from within

So I guess you could say I'm coming in to the song looking at it kind of slanted. I feel like the 3rd verse was kind of an extension of that mind state, but with some poetic/artistic freedom.

Honestly, I dont see anything wrong with what he said. Similar to a female, niggas wont respect a chick if she doesnt even have any respect for herself. Fairly simple logic. He wasnt justifying the other side's actions, just simply saying we have to start from within.

 

[Stiff]

Let me put it like this:

When they flew 2 planes into the Towers and on 9/11 about 3,000 died..and everybody was riled up talking about wanting to bring those responsible to justice

Nobody spoke up and said "but, but, but, 10-15,000 Americans kill other Americans every year! How come nobody is riled up about that? In the same month that those people were killed by Al-Qaeda, how may Americans were killed by other Americans? Where's the outrage?"

That would have been a ridiculous thing to say. Any person of prominence who would have said that in the days after 9/11 would have gotten considerable backlash.

If Black people are rallied behind an issue that effects us and exposes one of the many symptoms of White Supremacy, what good does it do to try to dilute the message by pointing the finger back at Black people? What does the crime rate have to drop to before we're allowed to have a focused conversation about the external factors that are putting weight on us and our communities? Not everybody in the hood is in a gang. Not everybody that is out protesting screaming Black Lives Matter hates themselves or has low self-esteem or is trying to kill other Black people. White supremacy though effects EVERYBODY.

I think the song is dope. I definitely don't think Kendrick Lamar is a coon. I appreciate that Kendrick dropped a record about Black consciousness even though it's not from my own point of view because maybe it will inspire an artist to drop a song that will be more in line with my views. I'm definitely checking for the album.

You normally make good points fam, but that was a terrible analogy. Comparing black on black crime (something we can control) to terrorist attacts (something we cant control) ? Word?

Nah you looking at it wrong. It's internal vs external.

We can control black on black crime (internal)

We ultimately can't control police brutality against us or the injustices of the justice system against us, we can only work to influence their occurrences (external)

Americans in general can control our own murder rate (internal)

America can't control whether or not a terrorist launches an attack against America , it can only work to influence their occurrences (external)

And also, depending on your own definition of terrorism I would argue that many police departments nationwide are guilty of terrorist acts, on a small scale. It's all about psychological warfare and I'm sure you won't argue that the police indulge in that.

Basically, I'm comparing the actions of the police and the justice system to terrorism. We in Black America should respond to terrorism with the same attitude regular America does.

I agree 100% fam.

But you said:

Nobody spoke up and said "but, but, but, 10-15,000 Americans kill other Americans every year! How come nobody is riled up about that?

^^ That would be from the perspective of a normal citizen. Again, K.Dot was speaking from the pov of a killer. If he was one of the people who killed a handful of those 10,000, would that not be hypocritical to say?

Absolutely but in this particular instance I kind of have in mind Kendrick's interview with Billboard where he said

What happened to [Michael Brown] should've never happened. Never. But when we don't have respect for ourselves, how do we expect them to respect us? It starts from within

So I guess you could say I'm coming in to the song looking at it kind of slanted. I feel like the 3rd verse was kind of an extension of that mind state, but with some poetic/artistic freedom.

Honestly, I dont see anything wrong with what he said. Similar to a female, niggas wont respect a chick if she doesnt even have any respect for herself. Fairly simple logic. He wasnt justifying the other side's actions, just simply saying we have to start from within.

But in your mind did Black people never respect ourselves or just not today? I feel like in the 60's and early 70's Black Pride was at its zenith but that didn't weaken racism..it fueled it. The phrase "white power" didn't exist until after Black Power became a movement.

And I don't know, I just don't believe Black people are as self-loathing as many others think.

 

[onthafly]

Kendrick spit some real shit in this song.

 

[Gee_has_hot_picture]

this single will die within a month, maybe a week, to boring for the average listener, aka niggas overrating this song more then eminem

 

[D0wn]

this single will die within a month, maybe a week, to boring for the average listener, aka niggas overrating this song more then eminem

Shout out, all my butt hurt angry white posters.

 

[Gee_has_hot_picture]

this single will die within a month, maybe a week, to boring for the average listener, aka niggas overrating this song more then eminem

Shout out, all my butt hurt angry white posters.

nigga i luv the song brah, just calling it like how i see it, you really think niggas smart enough to appreciate this song? it gonna top the charts? nope

and i aint white fam just cause i dont dick ride the popular opinion on these boards

feel sum type of way

 

[Listencloser]

Is this song fucking with the two albums in my sig? I think I'll wait for the leak of the whole album and go in blind.

 

[God_Yunn]

Im convinced most of y'all ain't live in the streets and only know what y'all hear or see on TV.

Kendrick spoke the truth...period.

Gives no fucc what Orielly thinks ..I lost homies to foolish shit over the years. I've been a part of stomping on ah niggah cause he wore colors and a bandana I didn't agree with...but at the same time cops killing blacks for no reason. But I didn't give ah fucc at the time...

I seen Lupe fiasco cry on TV seeing old video clips of him in the hood seeing cats in the clip who were dead over sebsless violence. It hurt ..I felt it..I teared up cause its real..its senseless acts that shouldn't happen but it do... Cops kill us and getaway with it cause we are weak as a race we aren't united and to say we are is bullshit... Niggahs I know couldn't give a fucc what cornel West has to say ,they don't even know who he is, I know niggahs that don't even care about Trayvon or Michael. Cause when they open they door its the same shit.

Y'all hear it,y'all see it on TV but y'all don't live it. So how can y'all critique this mans message as bullshit?...its real talk.

 

[anduin]

this single will die within a month, maybe a week, to boring for the average listener, aka niggas overrating this song more then eminem

Thats the truth, I can respect the track but its not the kind of shit radio checking for on a regular rotation, theyll play it but make a big deal about it too.