NBA players and owners hold firm....decertification process has started

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only problem i have with the players is how much are they being controlled by the agents. billy Hunter and Fisher just don't exude confidence and power that I got form Demaurice smith. Fisher and Hunter seem kinda clueless. And David Stern needs to shut the fuck up with his tough talk.
 
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Monizzle14;3717116 said:
so co signing millionaires is better? just cause they got less money but still making a shit load of cash im supposed to have sympathy for them?

helll no ! But understand where they coming from. Saying they should bow down or let the owners roll over them is some weak shit and yall in here blaming them for doing something uncommon these days and making a stand. Yall weak minded !
 
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people need to understand siding with the owners is like siding with the big banks and the 1% with regards to the economy
if these superstar millionaires are willing to give up a couple mill and some change that they'd get either way, it should tell you that maybe they aren't fighting for their pockets but the pockets of the lesser known players
the kevin ollies if you will

if the owners were concerned about ballin and wanted to eliminate the profit sharing from the debate they would simply pair up owners from best to worst, like an adoption program so that #1 shares profit with #30, 2 wit 29, 3 wit 28 and so forth
if they were so concerned they'd look within first then outward for a solution.
tv deals are a good way to share revenue and cross promote, do that shit. bundle jersey sales from 1 and 30 together (whoever the fuck they are sell the all star jerseys in pairs)
the solutions are simple yet they spent 2 years arguing this shit. this leads me to believe stern is tryin to jew them out their proper share and not bargaining in good faith
 
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numbaz...80's baby;3717452 said:
Naw, if i own a company you not goin tell me how much money im goin pay you. I dnt c nothn wrong wit askn 4 a raise. But if i dnt want to give it to u accept it or find a new job nigga.

they already had a previous deal that was cool and the NBA is not a traditional business so you cant treat it like these are McDonalds or even Microsoft employess
 
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its over: 2012!;3719007 said:
lol @ you know using my talking points that I pummeled you/jamacia with, the past 2 days, when I said the players are reqd to do an Occupy Wall Street here...lol...good to see you've come to your senses

Dont bother thanking me either, you retard

sorry cracka, i've been sonning you so much you've convinced yourself that my logic is now yours
my logic is economic, yours is racial
i win and you again lose
pay attention though i've schooled you enough for today that you supposed to be chillin or dion homework to try an lose alot less tomorrow

notice how i backed up my points instead of playing conspiracy negro and coming up with half assed reasons to blame incompetence on race
 
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why exactly are the players right in this situation? what exactly are they fighting for?

the owners wanted a hard cap, and non guaranteed contracts, and a drastic change of the max contracts. the owners have since then have changed and the players still aren't satisfied.
 
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At this point I couldnt careless. Not like the Rockets will make any noise this year. lol.

But their image is taking a big hit. You got folks who dont know where their next meal is coming from. Foreclosures, people cant pay bills, folks out here hustling with what they have to make ends meat. Most people aint tryna to hear about this.

I think most professional athletes in any sport are arrogant, pompous, selfish and money hungry. Its just the business. Whether its the MLB, NFL, or the NBA. white, black, spanish, dosent matter. Money does that to folks.
But for some reason, many people just hate alot of NBA players for it.. and its not just middle class white folks either. Alot of black folks are the same way. Many people want to see the NBA fail right now.

It just looks bad for the NBA in general. Whether the players or the owners are right or in the wrong, it still just looks bad. David Stern of all people should know this. David Stern is the guy who put a gag rule on any coach who even hinted to the media that there might be one or two flaws with the NBA. lol. He should know more than anybody about image.

You shouldn't let consumers find out that they can survive without your product. I think the NFL didn't want to experience that. I think the NBA will be missed, but alot of folks will just find other alternatives. shame, cause the nba employs alot of people.
 
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its over: 2012!;3719150 said:
You fuccn phaggit, you just posted what I posted...36 hours ago!!

You just spent weeks, attacking players for taking this stand....now today, your vision unblurs finally....but

Now I've copied, your logic???????

This is rich!!

Bytchnigg you need to stay offline for a few days/go see a dr...your hallucinogens are wearing off
lol prove to me which post of mine in any thread attacked the players during this process.
that has been my point all along. u stalk me enough to know what i post, so go over all my posts and read that i've been saying what i've said from the get go. you copied that and put a twist on it trying to turn it into a racial issue lol which as usual you failed at
go, go do your homework like a good peon and see that amongst all the sonnings i've been correct as usual and even schooled you on how the players could make your lame brained idea of starting their own league work.

lol children.....i shoulda made your mother swallow lol
 
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It's funny folks capping for the players saying folks don't support black athletes when these same black athletes are being pimped by their white agents and white lawyers. Right now agents and lawyers are winning while everybody else is losing. Not one NBA player or owner is getting a check. While the agents have already got their percentage and while lawyers are on half million dollar retainers. But hey let's say the white owners are forcing slavery on the black player while the same slave is paying another white man a percentage of his money. Folks want to be pro black and never asked why don't these athletes go to HBCU's instead of the white man's college? Why don't they hire black agents? So the players get paid by the white man then turnaround and spend the majority of their money right back to the white man yet they need my sympathy b/c they are slaves. folks capping for a group of folks that don't give a fuck about you. I just wanna see some basketball. both sides need to come to terms and get this shit cracking. But please fall back off the slavery talk. Folks are disgracing their ancestors with that shit.
 
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Jason Whitlock sonned Stephen A

If NBA players committed financial suicide Monday afternoon by rejecting David Stern’s latest ultimatum and choosing a court battle, let’s objectively agree it was assisted suicide, with the media playing the role of Dr. Jack Kevorkian.

At least when NFL media succumbed to lockout hysteria, it did so without serving as out-of-the-closet mouthpieces for Roger Goodell and ownership. NFL media covered themselves with fig leaves of objective finger-pointing in both directions.

For the most part, that is not the case in our latest sports labor dispute. NBA players and their leaders have been vilified and ridiculed by the media. Monday, in the moments after Billy Hunter, Derek Fisher and a gaggle of players stood shoulder to shoulder and announced their intention to continue their battle with Stern, two of ESPN’s top basketball voices – Stephen A. Smith and Ric Bucher – re-opened the Worldwide Leader’s assault on the players union.

Bucher basically alleged the players didn’t take the deal because they were too emotional, too prideful and fighting against being bullied. Smith said he sided with Stern because NBA owners have more money than NBA players.

I like Bucher and Smith. But they are part of the problem.

The unfair, one-sided coverage – and it’s far more than just ESPN – of the NBA labor dispute has contributed to the players’ recalcitrance and Stern’s arrogance. The coverage has made it nearly impossible for the two sides to strike a deal. Stern and ownership are under virtually no public pressure to get a deal done because the media, from start to finish of this dispute, have put all the burden on the players.

There was considerable pressure on ownership and the union to get a deal done in the NFL. There is no equality of pressure in this dispute. There is a near-unanimous voice shouting at the players to take whatever deal Stern places on the table because it will only get worse in the future.

I don’t blame the players for bowing their backs. They might think differently if they believed the public had been given an opportunity to consider their position. This is America. We’re all supposed to get our day in court. We’re all supposed to have a chance to have our voices heard.

When your voice is dismissed or drowned out, the right thing to do is shout a little louder. The players are standing up. They’re taking considerable risk to stand for what they believe. I’m proud of them. I support them. They’re labor. I don’t understand how so many working journalists – even those who selfishly just want to return to covering games – can stand against the players, can enthusiastically side with corporate billionaires in a labor dispute.

For the past 30 years, we’ve wondered why athletes no longer take tough political or social stances, we’ve wondered why so many of them choose the Michael Jordan see-hear-speak-no-evil approach.

I know this labor battle is a self-serving mission, but at least these young athletes are standing up and taking a risk for something. This is a start.

As best I can tell, they capitulated on the financial issue and gave the owners a 7-percent ($1.1 billion) giveback on basketball-related income. They took the financial hit in order to gain some control over the system that governs them. That seems more than fair. But in this era of corporate greed that’s not nearly enough.

So after Stern’s media mouthpieces were done blasting the players, the commissioner took to his business partners’ airwaves (ESPN) and blasted the players again. He called Hunter irresponsible, described the union’s move to decertify a “charade” and generally dumped all over union leadership.

Throughout this process, Stern has huffed and puffed about take-it-or-leave-it proposals/ultimatums. He played the role of bully. And maybe in the coming days he will back up that tough talk with even tougher action. Maybe Stern will cancel the season and make good on his promise to give the players an even worse deal.

If so, his legacy as commissioner should go up in flames along with the season. Stern never struck the right tone with players. He treated the players like they’re the media members who live in fear of Stern’s wrath. He treated the players with little regard for respect. Unlike the media, the players do have a rare skill that has significant value globally. They’re not going to respond well to being bullied. As commissioner, Stern’s goal should’ve been about getting a deal done and making sure his workers were happy going back to work. Stern should’ve demanded that his media mouthpieces fully and fairly aired the players‘ position so the players felt like they had been heard and respected.

Stern’s bully tactics backfired. Throughout this lockout, we’ve heard repeatedly that NBA owners are prepared to do what NHL owners did to the hockey union. There’s an important difference. The NHL isn’t dependent on American-born players. Americans are fighters. We’re not afraid of suffering if we believe in the cause. Forcing a bad deal on NBA players could have far worse ramifications for the game than Stern, Michael Jordan and a few other hardline owners losing face in the negotiations.

Stern and the hardline owners might want to be careful about what they wish for. They might live to regret getting it. The same way having most of the media stuffed in their pockets backfired.
 
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lamontbdc;3722969 said:
It's funny folks capping for the players saying folks don't support black athletes when these same black athletes are being pimped by their white agents and white lawyers. Right now agents and lawyers are winning while everybody else is losing. Not one NBA player or owner is getting a check. While the agents have already got their percentage and while lawyers are on half million dollar retainers. But hey let's say the white owners are forcing slavery on the black player while the same slave is paying another white man a percentage of his money. Folks want to be pro black and never asked why don't these athletes go to HBCU's instead of the white man's college? Why don't they hire black agents? So the players get paid by the white man then turnaround and spend the majority of their money right back to the white man yet they need my sympathy b/c they are slaves. folks capping for a group of folks that don't give a fuck about you. I just wanna see some basketball. both sides need to come to terms and get this shit cracking. But please fall back off the slavery talk. Folks are disgracing their ancestors with that shit.

i agree and disagree. your right white lawyers and angents still getting cuts and being pimped. its funny people say black people taking over sports but few black people aspire to be agents or owners they just want to be ball players...

At the same time i say fuck going go a Historically Black College just because black folk running it. Because you got silver spoon niggas who act just like white people thinking they the shit cause they parents donated money for a libary or cafe or some shit. And you have a almost slavery type shit where whilte CEO's looking to scoop up some niggas after they graduate. I like going to a state school with diversity and choice. Because I have had instances of racism that i have been able to resolve and teach people why they were ignorant. able to meet people form all races and even from the same race that are different than me and it really has taught me allot. Me being black some other races never met or hung out with black folk and it had been a great experience to see the sterotypes are bullshit. going to a historically black college in some ways is cowardly in some ways in my opinion cause your not trying to compete head to head in the same shcools with other races but thats a whole different topic for a different fourm. plus them down low niggas suspect at morehouse lmao i was not going there.
 
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Monizzle14;3723123 said:
i agree and disagree. your right white lawyers and angents still getting cuts and being pimped. its funny people say black people taking over sports but few black people aspire to be agents or owners they just want to be ball players...

At the same time i say fuck going go a Historically Black College just because black folk running it. Because you got silver spoon niggas who act just like white people thinking they the shit cause they parents donated money for a libary or cafe or some shit. And you have a almost slavery type shit where whilte CEO's looking to scoop up some niggas after they graduate. I like going to a state school with diversity and choice. Because I have had instances of racism that i have been able to resolve and teach people why they were ignorant. able to meet people form all races and even from the same race that are different than me and it really has taught me allot. Me being black some other races never met or hung out with black folk and it had been a great experience to see the sterotypes are bullshit. going to a historically black college in some ways is cowardly in some ways in my opinion cause your not trying to compete head to head in the same shcools with other races but thats a whole different topic for a different fourm. plus them down low niggas suspect at morehouse lmao i was not going there.

True but I wasn't implying that you have to go to a HBCU b/c you are black. And privilege is persiflage regardless of color. By no means am I saying that just b/c it's a HBCU that bullshit doesn't exists. you seem to have some sort of hate for HBCU's. Who is saying that b/c it's a black college you don't have folks of privilege? Where are you getting this from? You must haven't been around enough for real. Folks will quickly tell you how bogey and stuck up folks at Howard or Hampton act than other HBCU's. How some HBCU's are perceived as the the one's black folks with money can attend. How some of them are more known for their names than their education. I went to an HBCU b/c it was the only school I could afford. i didn't have any scholarships, grants, or any parents to help out. I didn't go their not to compete with anybody, or just b/c it was an all black campus. Shit never entered my mind at all. I went their b/c it was economically feasible. I could have went to the University of MD and got the same education for 5 times the price, or I could have went to Howard another HBCU for triple the price. If University of MD, Georgetown, or George Washington had the same pricing scale as Morgan State then i would have went to those schools. And the slavery comment makes no sense b/c regardless of what school you went too it's still a white guy hiring a black guy. I spent 5 years at HBCU and never once did i hear anybody say I went here b/c i didn't want to compete with other races or that b/c they only wanted to be around black folks.
 
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its over: 2012!;3723772 said:
Are yall Ready, Black hockey players?

yeah I called up all 6 of em and we good hahahahaha just playin there are like 2 more i missed

lol so if americans are willing to suffer for what they belive in then why cant call the american born nba players agree on what deal to accept. why is d-fish trina strike a deal with the white man so he can collect his money quicker before he has to retire lmaooo at your first article post in 10 days tho. lemme know when all the nba players are actually willing to "fight" and some aren't mad about the fact they didn't take the 50/50 split.
 
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lamontbdc;3722969 said:
It's funny folks capping for the players saying folks don't support black athletes when these same black athletes are being pimped by their white agents and white lawyers. Right now agents and lawyers are winning while everybody else is losing. Not one NBA player or owner is getting a check. While the agents have already got their percentage and while lawyers are on half million dollar retainers. But hey let's say the white owners are forcing slavery on the black player while the same slave is paying another white man a percentage of his money. Folks want to be pro black and never asked why don't these athletes go to HBCU's instead of the white man's college? Why don't they hire black agents? So the players get paid by the white man then turnaround and spend the majority of their money right back to the white man yet they need my sympathy b/c they are slaves. folks capping for a group of folks that don't give a fuck about you. I just wanna see some basketball. both sides need to come to terms and get this shit cracking. But please fall back off the slavery talk. Folks are disgracing their ancestors with that shit.

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Ricky williams disagrees with you. lol
 
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