"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge."-Hosea 4:6, Enter in order to not be destroyed. Amen

[vitoria]

Actually Babylon the Great represents the empire of false religion

What will happen next? Paul said: “Whenever it is that they are saying: ‘Peace and security!’ then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them.” The destruction begins with the attack against all false religion in the world. The Bible calls false religion “Babylon the Great,” or “the harlot.” (Revelation 17 5 : " On her forehead was written a name, a mystery: “Babylon the Great, the mother of the prostitutes and of the disgusting things of the earth. 6 And I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. and 15 He said to me: “The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues" )

Well, on seeing her I was greatly amazed. That attack against all false religion, including Christendom, is the beginning of the “great tribulation.” (Matthew 24:21 : for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.) (2 Thessalonians 2:8) Many people will be surprised when this happens. Why? Because until that time, the harlot will think that she is “a queen” who will “never see mourning.” She thinks that nothing bad will happen to her. But she will suddenly find out that she has made a mistake. She will be destroyed very quickly, as if “in one day.”—(Revelation 18:7 - 8 : "To the extent that she glorified herself and lived in shameless luxury, to that extent give her torment and mourning. For she keeps saying in her heart: ‘I sit as queen, and I am not a widow, and I will never see mourning.’ 8.That is why in one day her plagues will come, death and mourning and famine, and she will be completely burned with fire, because Jehovah God, who judged her, is strong.")

Who will destroy false religion?

The Bible says that a “wild beast” with “ten horns” will attack the harlot. When we study the book of Revelation, we learn that this wild beast means the United Nations (UN). “The ten horns” mean all the governments that now support this “scarlet-colored wild beast.” (Revelation 17:3, 5, 11, 12) How destructive will this attack be? The nations that belong to the UN will take away all the harlot’s wealth, reveal how bad and immoral she really is, devour her, and “completely burn her.” So false religion will be destroyed forever.— (Revelation 17:16 " And the ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire.")

How will the attack by the “wild beast” begin?

Bible prophecy also shows how this attack will begin. In some way Jehovah will cause the political leaders “to carry out his thought,” or to do what he wants them to do, which is to destroy the harlot. (Revelation 17:17 " For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.") Religion spreads war and continues to cause many problems in the world. So the nations may think that it will benefit them if they destroy the harlot. In fact, when the rulers attack the harlot, they will think that they are doing what they want to do. But God will be using them to destroy all false religion. So one part of Satan’s system will attack another part of his system, and Satan will not be able to do anything to stop it. ( Matthew 12:25 " Knowing their thoughts, he said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself comes to ruin, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 In the same way, if Satan expels Satan, he has become divided against himself; how, then, will his kingdom stand? ")

 

[zombie]

Babylon is mecca/Arabia from a Christian perspective it is the capital of the worlds largest false religion and Saudi Arabia is extremely rich and hated by much of the muslim world they will attack Saudi Arabia and it will be destroyed.

 

[vitoria]

Babylon is mecca/Arabia from a Christian perspective it is the capital of the worlds largest false religion and Saudi Arabia is extremely rich and hated by much of the muslim world they will attack Saudi Arabia and it will be destroyed.

Babylon is mecca/Arabia from a Christian perspective it is the capital of the worlds largest false religion and Saudi Arabia is extremely rich and hated by much of the muslim world they will attack Saudi Arabia and it will be destroyed.

An empire can be political, commercial, or religious. The woman named Babylon the Great is not a political empire because God’s Word states that “the kings of the earth,” or the political elements of this world, “committed fornication” with her. Her fornication refers to the alliances she has made with the rulers of this earth and explains why she is called “the great harlot.”—Revelation 17:1, 2; (James 4:4 "Adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is making himself an enemy of God.")

Babylon the Great cannot be a commercial empire because the “merchants of the earth,” representing the commercial elements, will be mourning her at the time of her destruction. In fact, both kings and merchants are described as looking at Babylon the Great from “a distance.” (Revelation 18:3 For because of the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, all the nations have fallen victim, and the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth became rich owing to the power of her shameless luxury.”) (9, 9 -10 “And the kings of the earth who committed sexual immorality with her and lived with her in shameless luxury will weep and beat themselves in grief over her when they see the smoke from her burning. 10. They will stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment and say: ‘Too bad, too bad, you great city, Babylon you strong city, because in one hour your judgment has arrived!’ )(15-17 “The merchants who sold these things, who became rich from her, will stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment and will weep and mourn, 16. saying: ‘Too bad, too bad, the great city, clothed with fine linen, purple, and scarlet and richly adorned with gold ornaments, precious stones, and pearls, 17. because in one hour such great riches have been devastated!’)

“And every ship captain and every seafaring person and sailors and all those who make a living by the sea stood at a distance) Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that Babylon the Great is, not a political or a commercial empire, but a religious one.

The religious identity of Babylon the Great is further confirmed by the statement that she misleads all the nations by means of her “spiritistic practice.” (Revelation 18:23) Since all forms of spiritism are religious and demon-inspired, it is not surprising that the Bible calls Babylon the Great “a dwelling place of demons.” (Revelation 18:2; And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a place where every unclean spirit and every unclean and hated bird lurks!")

( Deuteronomy 18:10-12: " There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, 11. anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead. 12. For whoever does these things is detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you.") This empire is also described as being actively opposed to true religion, persecuting “prophets” and “holy ones.” (Revelation 18:24 "Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”) In fact, Babylon the Great has such deep hatred for true religion that she violently persecutes and even murders “the witnesses of Jesus.” (Revelation 17:6 "And I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.Well, on seeing her I was greatly amazed.")

Hence, this woman named Babylon the Great clearly represents the world empire of false religion, which includes all religions that stand in opposition to Jehovah God.

 

[zombie]

Babylon is mecca/Arabia from a Christian perspective it is the capital of the worlds largest false religion and Saudi Arabia is extremely rich and hated by much of the muslim world they will attack Saudi Arabia and it will be destroyed.

Babylon is mecca/Arabia from a Christian perspective it is the capital of the worlds largest false religion and Saudi Arabia is extremely rich and hated by much of the muslim world they will attack Saudi Arabia and it will be destroyed.

An empire can be political, commercial, or religious. The woman named Babylon the Great is not a political empire because God’s Word states that “the kings of the earth,” or the political elements of this world, “committed fornication” with her. Her fornication refers to the alliances she has made with the rulers of this earth and explains why she is called “the great harlot.”—Revelation 17:1, 2; (James 4:4 "Adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is making himself an enemy of God.")

Babylon the Great cannot be a commercial empire because the “merchants of the earth,” representing the commercial elements, will be mourning her at the time of her destruction. In fact, both kings and merchants are described as looking at Babylon the Great from “a distance.” (Revelation 18:3 For because of the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, all the nations have fallen victim, and the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth became rich owing to the power of her shameless luxury.”) (9, 9 -10 “And the kings of the earth who committed sexual immorality with her and lived with her in shameless luxury will weep and beat themselves in grief over her when they see the smoke from her burning. 10. They will stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment and say: ‘Too bad, too bad, you great city, Babylon you strong city, because in one hour your judgment has arrived!’ )(15-17 “The merchants who sold these things, who became rich from her, will stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment and will weep and mourn, 16. saying: ‘Too bad, too bad, the great city, clothed with fine linen, purple, and scarlet and richly adorned with gold ornaments, precious stones, and pearls, 17. because in one hour such great riches have been devastated!’)

“And every ship captain and every seafaring person and sailors and all those who make a living by the sea stood at a distance) Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that Babylon the Great is, not a political or a commercial empire, but a religious one.

The religious identity of Babylon the Great is further confirmed by the statement that she misleads all the nations by means of her “spiritistic practice.” (Revelation 18:23) Since all forms of spiritism are religious and demon-inspired, it is not surprising that the Bible calls Babylon the Great “a dwelling place of demons.” (Revelation 18:2; And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a place where every unclean spirit and every unclean and hated bird lurks!")

( Deuteronomy 18:10-12: " There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, 11. anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead. 12. For whoever does these things is detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you.") This empire is also described as being actively opposed to true religion, persecuting “prophets” and “holy ones.” (Revelation 18:24 "Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”) In fact, Babylon the Great has such deep hatred for true religion that she violently persecutes and even murders “the witnesses of Jesus.” (Revelation 17:6 "And I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.Well, on seeing her I was greatly amazed.")

Hence, this woman named Babylon the Great clearly represents the world empire of false religion, which includes all religions that stand in opposition to Jehovah God.

saudi arabia is a theocracy which means it is also a spiritual empire it is a commercial empire, a political empire and a spiritual empire all wrapped up into one. The destruction of mystery babylon is not just the destruction of an opposing religion if what you are saying is that mystery babylon is just a religion and is not tied to a physical place then you run into huge problems because a religion alone cannot produce any of the things that the merchants of rev 18 are crying over.

rev 18:11 “The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes anymore— 12 cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13 cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and human beings sold as slaves.

and besides all of that babylon is given a physical description so it cannot be just a religion because a religion has no physical description

read isa 13:9-20

Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

14And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land.

15Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

17Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.

19And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

20It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.



21But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.

All these are physical description which means babylon cannot be just a religion as you think and no isa 13 is not about the fall of the original babylon because that place was not destroyed by the medes and was inhabited for generations after the fall of the babylonian empire. the medes are a reference to persia today iran

 

[vitoria]

Strategically built astride the Euphrates River, ancient Babylon has been called “the political, religious, and cultural centre of the ancient Orient.” About 732 B.C.E., the prophet Isaiah penned an ominous prophecy—Babylon would fall. Isaiah provided specifics: A leader named “Cyrus” would be the conqueror, the protective waters of the Euphrates would “dry up,” and the city’s gates would “not be shut.” (Isaiah 44:27–45:3) Some 200 years later, on October 5, 539 B.C.E., the prophecy was fulfilled in all its details. Greek historian Herodotus (fifth century B.C.E.) confirmed the manner of Babylon’s fall. *

The Bible accurately foretold that a leader named Cyrus would conquer mighty Babylon

A bold detail.

Isaiah made a further startling prediction regarding Babylon: “She will never be inhabited.” (Isaiah 13:19, "And Babylon, the most glorious of kingdoms,

The beauty and the pride of the Chal·de′ans,

Will be like Sod′om and Go·mor′rah when God overthrew them.

20 She will never be inhabited,

Nor will she be a place to reside in throughout all generations.

No Arab will pitch his tent there,

And no shepherds will rest their flocks there") To predict permanent desolation for a sprawling city occupying a strategic location was bold indeed. You would normally expect that such a city would be rebuilt if ruined. Although Babylon lingered on for a while after its conquest, Isaiah’s words eventually came true. Today the site of ancient Babylon “is flat, hot, deserted and dusty,” reports Smithsonian magazine.

 

[vitoria]

THE book of Revelation contains expressions that are not to be understood literally. (Revelation 1:1) For example, it mentions a woman with the name “Babylon the Great” written on her forehead. This woman is said to be sitting on “crowds and nations.” (Revelation 17:1, 5. "On her forehead was written a name, a mystery: “Babylon the Great, the mother of the prostitutes and of the disgusting things of the earth.” , 15. He said to me: “The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues." ) Since no literal woman could do this, Babylon the Great must be symbolic. So, what does this symbolic harlot represent?

At Revelation 17:18, the same figurative woman is described as “the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.” The term “city” indicates an organized group of people. Since this “great city” has control over “the kings of the earth,” the woman named Babylon the Great must be an influential organization that is international in scope. It can rightly be called a world empire. What kind of empire? A religious one.

 

[zombie]

Babylon is a physical place but it's not just a physical place and it does not take much discernment to figure out when the bible is being literal and when it's not. religions are international in scope and in today's world the only religion that oppresses god's people is islam and islam is headquartered in mecca. and if you keep reading the bible it says that god will destroy certain nations on THE DAY OF THE LORD and every single one of the nations listed are today Islamic.

 

[vitoria]

For more emphasis and needed detail

Consider how the Bible book of Revelation describes false religion. It is portrayed as a drunken prostitute who has power over many kingdoms and their peoples. This figurative woman commits fornication with many kings and is drunk with the blood of God’s true worshippers. (Revelation 17:1, 2, 6, 18) She has a name written on her forehead that matches her filthy and repulsive conduct. The name is “Babylon the Great, the mother of the harlots and of the disgusting things of the earth.”—Revelation 17:5.

The Scriptural description of Babylon the Great fits the world’s collective body of false religion. Although the thousands of religions are not formally united as one world organization, they are inseparably joined in purpose and deed. As depicted by the immoral woman in Revelation, false religion has tremendous influence over governments. Resembling a woman not faithful to her marriage vows, false religion has prostituted herself by forming alliances with one political power after another. “Adulteresses, do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God?” wrote the disciple James. “Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God.”—James 4:4.

This mixing of false religion with the governments has resulted in much human suffering. African political analyst Dr. Xolela Mangcu observed that “world history is littered with examples of mass killings caused by linking religion and politics.” One newspaper recently stated: “The bloodiest and most dangerous disputes today . . . are wrapped in religion.” The lives of millions have been snuffed out in religiously supported conflicts. Babylon the Great has even persecuted and killed God’s true servants, becoming drunk with their blood, as it were.—Revelation 18:24

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Sigh...always thinking according to your own understanding...no wonder you remain ignorant.

The 70 years is based upon Israel and America.

Lol @ the blood moons being debunked!

Whammy

What 70 YEARS??? YOU said AMERICA would rule the entire world for 70 years this rule ending between 2014-2018 with america being destroyed. but america has not ruled the world for 70 years, 70 years ago the world was divided between russia and america with both nation having about equal influence in the world, between the two no one nation had excessive influence of the world. the way things are looking the world is becoming more level of a playing field so in the next 100 years or so america won't even be the only super power on earth you don't know what you are talking about.

it's not my understanding it's simple reading ability read the bible and stop putting your own feelings into what is written while your at it you might also want to read a history book.

If you think Russia ruled the world with America since 1945, I got some beach front property in Nepal I want to show you!

My goodness! There wasn't even a Russia in 1945. It was the USSR and they were always 2nd fiddle when it came to the USA.

I'm here to help so here you go
http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-russia-and-vs-soviet-union/

Get your facts str8 before you come spotting off. Whoops I forgot who I'm speaking to.

The leader of dissension, quarrels, strifes, and contentions .

Help him King Jesus. Only you can soften His heart and remove the spirit of argument from him. Amen!

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

America greatly supports Christians and Jews and attacks Islam and any other form of different religions. So how it can be Bablyon the Great? It has a large amount of atrocities, but it would be years before anything like this happens because the Middle East has to become a great and powerful land once more. Which should happen when American wanes and the EU falls apart.

He probably means from a moral standpoint, like many Christians say lately. America supporting gay marriage in 60% of states now and chicks like Miley Cyrus are one reason America is "Babylon" to him

I bet its the only reasons and not like for instance slavery or Jim Crow would even venture in their minds or stealing the natives land murdering,but since they were not all Christians prior they had it coming because the Great Lord is steaming with anger. Pretty sad that there are plenty of people who feel this way, but dont think of any other atrocities are bad because the people didnt believe in their deity.

LOL I know right. American Christians back in the day did WORSE then allow gay marriage and propped up video hoes. They committed GENOCIDE and treated Blacks like property and killed over a million through the slave voyages alone and yet only now America is supposed to suffer eternal destruction because of "morality" lol, I always ask these kinds of Christians, why didn't god destroy America in the 1800s then? It's not like America was moral back then either.

Because the countdown didn't start in the 1800's.

The 70 year world wide rule of America didn't start till between 1945 and 1948.

Thus once the 70 years are up, God will execute judgement.

The window closes between 2015-2018.

And it's not a coincidence that the blood moons are conveniently happening during this season as well.

Amen.

LOL, so god has to wait a full 70 years to do something? What the hell kind of shit is that? Why does the formulation of a blood moon make a difference, is the Bible god autistic or something?

"The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9

Judgment is the Lords strange work! God doesn't want to judge! He wants to save! Thus God is patient! He wants you to be saved! He wants everybody to be saved! Therefore He patiently waits until the cup of judgment is full! And when it is full, He acts. Amen.

 

[Ajackson17]

Is there an Isiah book from the 700s or just the ones from the 200 BC after everything happened

 

[beenwize]

The Old Testament God is evil and the Bible is fear mongering mind control.

 

[zombie]

Sigh...always thinking according to your own understanding...no wonder you remain ignorant.

The 70 years is based upon Israel and America.

Lol @ the blood moons being debunked!

Whammy

What 70 YEARS??? YOU said AMERICA would rule the entire world for 70 years this rule ending between 2014-2018 with america being destroyed. but america has not ruled the world for 70 years, 70 years ago the world was divided between russia and america with both nation having about equal influence in the world, between the two no one nation had excessive influence of the world. the way things are looking the world is becoming more level of a playing field so in the next 100 years or so america won't even be the only super power on earth you don't know what you are talking about.

it's not my understanding it's simple reading ability read the bible and stop putting your own feelings into what is written while your at it you might also want to read a history book.

If you think Russia ruled the world with America since 1945, I got some beach front property in Nepal I want to show you!

My goodness! There wasn't even a Russia in 1945. It was the USSR and they were always 2nd fiddle when it came to the USA.

I'm here to help so here you go
http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-russia-and-vs-soviet-union/

Get your facts str8 before you come spotting off. Whoops I forgot who I'm speaking to.

The leader of dissension, quarrels, strifes, and contentions .

Help him King Jesus. Only you can soften His heart and remove the spirit of argument from him. Amen!

you are a fool the Soviet union was a creation of Russia. Russia was it's head heart and master. and even if it wasn't the fact would still remain that America did not rule the world after 1945 it shared power with another nation call that nation russia of the soviet union it matters not because either way it spoils your time line.

you are a false prophet spreading lies and confusion and foolishness i don't like to quarrel but i am strong in my convictions. you have more holes in your theory than a football net.

 

[zombie]

@vitoria the problem with your theory is that god said that when he returns he will be dipped in blood and he will fight the enemies of his people so if all the religions are represented by mystery babylon and mystery babylon is responsible for the oppression of gods people if they are destroyed who is he fighting.

revelation 19:11

I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:

king of kings and lord of lords.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

NOW @victoria remember revelations 19:11 happens after mystery babylon is destroyed and i would like you to give me the answer not the writer of whoever you have been copy and pasting from.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

The irony of the thread title is searing. God have mercy upon those who have ears to hear. Amen.

 

[zombie]

The irony of the thread title is searing. God have mercy upon those who have ears to hear. Amen.

THE IRONY is that a fool made it in the first place.

 

[vitoria]

@vitoria the problem with your theory is that god said that when he returns he will be dipped in blood and he will fight the enemies of his people so if all the religions are represented by mystery babylon and mystery babylon is responsible for the oppression of gods people if they are destroyed who is he fighting.

revelation 19:11

I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:

king of kings and lord of lords.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

NOW @victoria remember revelations 19:11 happens after mystery babylon is destroyed and i would like you to give me the answer not the writer of whoever you have been copy and pasting from.

Chapter 19 describes the beginning of Armageddon. After False Religion is destroyed the Great Tribulation will soon follow. Matt 24 states that, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken."

Matt 19." Woe to the pregnant women and those suckling a baby in those days! 20 Keep praying that YOUR flight may not occur in wintertime, nor on the sabbath day; 21 for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short."

That's pretty scary, that things are going to get so bad after False Religion is destroyed. That Jesus states unless those days are cut short no flesh would be saved. I mean if you think about a lot ppl that dedicated their whole lives to religion will have nothing to live for anymore, they will fill duped. I seriously hope I'm dead by then.

But it's coming soon. A lot of the things that you happened in the first century parallels to what is happening now.

 

[zombie]

@vitoria the problem with your theory is that god said that when he returns he will be dipped in blood and he will fight the enemies of his people so if all the religions are represented by mystery babylon and mystery babylon is responsible for the oppression of gods people if they are destroyed who is he fighting.

revelation 19:11

I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:

king of kings and lord of lords.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

NOW @victoria remember revelations 19:11 happens after mystery babylon is destroyed and i would like you to give me the answer not the writer of whoever you have been copy and pasting from.

Chapter 19 describes the beginning of Armageddon. After False Religion is destroyed the Great Tribulation will soon follow. Matt 24 states that, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken."

Matt 19." Woe to the pregnant women and those suckling a baby in those days! 20 Keep praying that YOUR flight may not occur in wintertime, nor on the sabbath day; 21 for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short."

That's pretty scary, things are going to get so bad after False Religion is destroyed. That Jesus said's unless those days get cut short no flesh would be saved. I mean if you think about a lot ppl that dedicated their whole lives to religion will have nothing to live for anymore, they will fill duped. I seriously hope I'm dead by then.

But it's coming soon. A lot of the things that you happened in the first century parallels to what is happening now.

who is he fighting is what i am asking you because if as you say mystery babylon is only a world wide spiritual system of falsehood that god destroys then who is he fighting after the destruction of babylon.

 

[vitoria]

Oh he's fighting those that were in support of Babylon the Great. That would include everyone that took no note to get out of her. So all those you see going to these churches or political, etc are all part of this system of things, that's who he fighting. Jesus spoke telling his disciples that when you see the Romans camped out surrounding the walls of Jerusalem flee to the mountains. In 67 c.e they did just that but soon withdrew. But four years later.Roman legions returned in 70 C.E. This time they did not withdraw, and Jerusalem was completely destroyed. The Christians who had heeded Jesus’ warning escaped that terrible calamity.

So all this time people are going about day to day lives ignoring the warning to get out False Religion.

It should be noted that Jesus said that “those in Judea,” not just Jerusalem, were to start fleeing. This was important because within a few months of their withdrawal from Jerusalem, the Roman troops once again renewed their war operations. First, Galilee was subdued in 67 C.E., and then Judaea was systematically conquered the following year. This resulted in great misery throughout the countryside. It also became increasingly difficult for any Jew to escape from Jerusalem itself. The city gates were guarded, and any trying to escape were assumed to be deserting to the Romans.

 

[zombie]

Oh he's fighting those that were in support of Babylon the Great. That would include everyone that took no note to get out of her. So all those you see going to these churches or political, etc are all part of this system of things, that's who he fighting. Jesus spoke telling his disciples that when you see the Romans camped out surrounding the walls of Jerusalem flee to the mountains. In 67 c.e they did just that but soon withdrew. But four years later.Roman legions returned in 70 C.E. This time they did not withdraw, and Jerusalem was completely destroyed. The Christians who had heeded Jesus’ warning escaped that terrible calamity.

So all this time people are going about day to day lives ignoring the warning to get out False Religion.

It should be noted that Jesus said that “those in Judea,” not just Jerusalem, were to start fleeing. This was important because within a few months of their withdrawal from Jerusalem, the Roman troops once again renewed their war operations. First, Galilee was subdued in 67 C.E., and then Judaea was systematically conquered the following year. This resulted in great misery throughout the countryside. It also became increasingly difficult for any Jew to escape from Jerusalem itself. The city gates were guarded, and any trying to escape were assumed to be deserting to the Romans.

how do you reconcile your belief that Babylon is just a false religious system with the fact that Babylon is given a physical description in the bible and how do you physically destroy a spiritual system