Muslim Gay Bar to open next to Ground Zero Mosque

[And Step]

The Quran says God will bless any man who dies fighting for Islam.

The 9/11 hijackers were fighting for Islam against secular Western influences.

Facts.

Opinion. Not a fact.

Some say the hijackers were fighting for political purposes that had nothing to do with Islam. You know like when the Jews claim God gave them eminence at the exclusion of everybody else so they took land and persecuted Palestinians under the guise of religious context. Doesn't mean it it true, they just used the religious context as a cover. Or how the Christians, slaughtered millions of natives in the Western Hemisphere and enslaved millions of Africans under the guise of Manifest christian destiny and civilizing the heathens and subjugating the cursed blacks.

I don't know why I am telling you this, I'm pretty sure you know all of this, your a smart guy.

 

[supaman4321]

and according to the Quran, the people in the WTC were not innocent

basically, you're promoting a guy who advocates terrorism, good job

You show me anywhere in the Qur'an where it describes who are innocent and who are not as well as who the judge is and what his criterion are, if you can argue that then I'll take the time to explain my views, if not then I won't bother with you.

Wa alaikum

Peace be to the Guided Ones, Happy Ramadan.

 

[louis the great]

Smh@ yall even buying into the US Governments Fairytale of Muslim Terrorists bringing down the WTC!

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

You show me anywhere in the Qur'an where it describes who are innocent and who are not as well as who the judge is and what his criterion are, if you can argue that then I'll take the time to explain my views, if not then I won't bother with you.

Wa alaikum

Peace be to the Guided Ones, Happy Ramadan.

the quran repeatedly says that non-muslims are the enemies of Islam and that they are a-okay to slaughter in the name of God

 

[And Step]

the quran repeatedly says that non-muslims are the enemies of Islam and that they are a-okay to slaughter in the name of God

Actually, it doesn't. The term Non-Muslim is not used once in the Quran. This is called lying.

The reason why this term is not used is because the Quran holds the position that all human beings are Muslims by nature.

It speaks of Idol worshippers, disbelievers, Jews, Christians, Sabaens and a few other classes of people. These people are not enemies unless they aggress upon or oppose you, according to Quran. There are instances in the Quran where Muslims are instructed to form alliances with people who don't share their faith. It was Ethiopian Christians who protected Muslims when they were run out of Mecca. There were Jews who were protected by the Muslims because they kept their word and formed alliances with them. Then there were some Jews who were merked because they joined on to the enemies and caused great loss of life, property, and hardship because of their treachery.

Besides, the most violent religion is white supremacy. Yes that is a religion. This is undisputable.

 

[tri3w]

Actually, it doesn't. The term Non-Muslim is not used once in the Quran. This is called lying.

The reason why this term is not used is because the Quran holds the position that all human beings are Muslims by nature.

It speaks of Idol worshippers, disbelievers, Jews, Christians, Sabaens and a few other classes of people. These people are not enemies unless they aggress upon or oppose you, according to Quran. There are instances in the Quran where Muslims are instructed to form alliances with people who don't share their faith. It was Ethiopian Christians who protected Muslims when they were run out of Mecca. There were Jews who were protected by the Muslims because they kept their word and formed alliances with them. Then there were some Jews who were merked because they joined on to the enemies and caused great loss of life, property, and hardship because of their treachery.

Besides, the most violent religion is white supremacy. Yes that is a religion. This is undisputable.

Ether.........that shit that makes ur Soul burn Slow lol.................Good Job And Step

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

The term Non-Muslim is not used once in the Quran.

Semantics. The Quran is all about saying people who are not Muslims are worthless and will burn in Hell forever. Merciful god? LOL

the Quran holds the position that all human beings are Muslims by nature

No, actually, it does not. LOL

the most violent religion is white supremacy. Yes that is a religion. This is undisputable.

White supremacy is an ideology, not a religion.

Disputed that shit. LOL

And Step stays losing.

 

[And Step]

Semantics. The Quran is all about saying people who are not Muslims are worthless and will burn in Hell forever. Merciful god? LOL

No, actually, it does not. LOL

White supremacy is an ideology, not a religion.

Disputed that shit. LOL

And Step stays losing.

There is no permanent hell-fire. You must be thinking of the old Yeshiva classes.

Actually the Quran does say specifically that Islam is the Nature in which God created man. Chapter30 verse 30. Look at me man, look at me. Right there see? Right there.

All religion starts as ideology. White supremacy is an ideology that was made into a religion. This is not disputable. All we have to do is look at history.

I Never lose to neuter genders.

 

[supaman4321]

the quran repeatedly says that non-muslims are the enemies of Islam and that they are a-okay to slaughter in the name of God

No Qur'an or Sunnah to back up your claims so you're still playing the role of the ignorant antagonist huh?

Wa Alaikum

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

All religion starts as ideology.

False.

Example of a religion that did not begin as an ideology: Scientology.

White supremacy is an ideology that was made into a religion. This is not disputable.

Not when you consider... you know... the actual definitions of the words involved.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

No Qur'an or Sunnah to back up your claims so you're still playing the role of the ignorant antagonist huh?

Wa Alaikum

Here's some shit from your awful Quran that shows how savage Islam is:

Cruelty in the Quran

1. Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6

2. Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 2:10

3. A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24

4. Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 2:39, 90

5. "Guard yourselves against a day when no soul will in aught avail another, nor will intercession be accepted from it, nor will compensation be received from it, nor will they be helped."
There will come a day when Allah will refuse all prayers and help no one. 2:48

6. Allah brags about drowning the Egyptian army. 2:50

7. "Whosoever hath done evil and his sin surroundeth him; such are rightful owners of the Fire." 2:81

8. If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85

9. Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96

10. For disbelievers is a painful doom. 2:104

11. For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 2:114

12. "And thou wilt not be asked about the owners of hell-fire." (They are the non-muslims.) 2:119

13. Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 2:126

14. The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162

15. Allah is severe punishment! 2:165-6

16. They will not emerge from the Fire. 2:167

17. Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 2:174

18. How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 2:175

19. "Fight in the way of Allah." 2:190, 2:244

20. Believers must retaliate. Those who transgress will have a painful doom. 2:178

21. Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2

22. "Guard us from the doom of Fire." 2:201

23. Those who fail in their duty to Allah are proud and sinful. They will all go to hell. 2:206

24. War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216

25. Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 2:217

26. Those who marry unbelievers will burn in the Fire. 2:221

27. Disbelievers worship false gods. The will burn forever in the Fire. 2:257

28. "Those who swallow usury ... are rightful owners of the Fire." 2:275

29. Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 3:4

30. Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 3:10

31. Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 3:12

32. "Guard us from the punishment of Fire." 3:16

33. Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19

34. Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 3:21

35. "They [Christians and Jews] say: The Fire will not touch us save for a certain number of days. That which they used to invent hath deceived them regarding their religion." (The Fire will burn them forever.) 3:24

36. Theirs will be a painful doom. 3:77

37. All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 3:85

38. Apostates will be cursed by Allah, angels, and men. They will have a painful doom. 3:86-88

39. Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 3:91

40. "Ye were upon the brink of an abyss of fire, and He did save you from it." 3:103

41. Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 3:105-6

42. Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 3:116

43. The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 3:131

44. We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151

45. If you die fighting for Allah, you'll be rewarded in heaven. 3:157

46. "Is one who followeth the pleasure of Allah as one who hath earned condemnation from Allah, whose habitation is the Fire?"
Unbelievers will burn forever in the Fire. 3:162

47. "Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead."
(Quoted by Osama bin Laden in his 'letter to America' regarding the 11 September 2001 attacks.) 3:169-171

48. Theirs will be an awful doom. 3:176

49. Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 3:177

50. Disbelievers will have a shameful doom. 3:178

51. Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter paradise, he indeed is triumphant." (The rest will burn forever in the Fire.) 3:185

52. Those who brag about doing good will go to hell. 3:188

53. "Preserve us from the doom of Fire." 3:191

54. "Our Lord! Whom Thou causest to enter the Fire: him indeed Thou hast confounded. For evil-doers there will be no helpers." 3:192

55. Those who die fighting for Allah will go to heaven. 3:195

56. Disbelievers will go to Hell. 3:196

57. Don't steal from orphans (or Allah will burn you forever in hell). 4:10

58. Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 4:14

59. For the disbelievers and those who make a last-minute conversion, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:18

60. "We shall cast him into Fire, and that is ever easy for Allah." 4:30

61. For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 4:37

62. "Sanction is given unto those who fight because they have been wronged."
Quoted by Osama bin Laden in his 'letter to America' as a justification for the 11 September 2001 attacks. 4:39

63. Hell is sufficient for their burning. 4:55

64. Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56

65. Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74

66. Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 4:76

67. Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89

68. If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91

69. Believers who kill believers will face the awful doom of hell. 4:93

70. "Their habitation will be hell, an evil journey's end." 4:97

71. Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to hell. 4:115

72. Allah will lead them astray and they will go to hell. 4:119-121

73. Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 4:137

74. For the hypocrites there will be a painful doom. 4:138

75. Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into hell. 4:140

76. The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of hell and no one will help them there. 4:145

77. You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don't are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 4:150-151

78. For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:160-1

79. God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting hell. 4:168-169

80. If you don't do good works, Allah will punish you with a painful doom. 4:173

81. Those who deny Islam will be losers in the Hereafter. 5:5

82. Disbelievers are the rightful owners of Hell. 5:10

83. "The owners of the fire. That is the reward of evil-doers." 5:29

84. Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33

85. Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 5:36

86. Disbelievers will want to come out of the Fire, but will not. Their will be a lasting doom. 5:37

87. Cut off the hands of thieves. It is an exemplary punishment from Allah. 5:38

88. Allah makes some people sin. He will not cleanse their hearts. They will have ignominy in this world, and in the Hereafter an awful doom. 5:41

89. Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, and tooth for tooth. 5:45

90. Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72

91. Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73

92. Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80

93. Disbelievers will be owners of hell-fire. 5:86

94. Allah will test believers to see if they are afraid. Those who fail a second test will suffer a a painful doom. 5:94

95. After agreeing to send down a table of food from heaven, Jesus warns his disciples that will catch holy hell if they ever stop believing. 5:115

96. Those who deny the truth of Islam will be punished by Allah. 6:5

97. "See the nature of the consequence for the rejecters!" 6:11

98. Many generations have been destroyed by Allah. 6:6

99. Disbelievers will say when they see the Fire that they would have believed if they had known the truth. But they are all liars. 6:27-28

100. "Evil-doers flout the revelations of Allah." 6:33

 

[shootemwon]

Sonned into oblivion ^^^^^

 

[And Step]

Example of a religion that did not begin as an ideology: Scientology.

False. Scientology morphed out of the system of Dianetics, which began as an ideology that human beings have been exposed to painful and traumatic events that thwarts and hinders their growth and development. This later developed into a systematic process then later into a Religious expression called Scientology. You do know he wrote that book(Dianetics) before Scientology was founded or practiced, don't you? Well enough of that.................

Well we do know white supremacy started as an ideology and morphed into a religion. Don't want to touch that one huh?

Not when you consider... you know... the actual definitions of the words involved.

Ideology
1. The body of ideas reflecting the social needs and aspirations of an individual, group, class, or culture.
2. A set of doctrines or beliefs that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system.

Religion - : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^my dude

Oh, so eggs, sugar, milk, butter can't be made into a cake? Oh so Nazism didn't start as an ideology and didn't morph into a religious expression? You reaching homey, but your arms are too short...............

 

[And Step]

The worst type of person is one who lies intentionally or changes words to bolster their arguments. This shows lack of belief in the correctness of your stance. If you are going to try to persuade be truthful don't make up stuff. I pointed out your lying that the Quran uses the phrase non-muslims, when it doesn't utter that phrase one time.

6. Allah brags about drowning the Egyptian army. 2:50

Lie. The portion of the Quran talks about delivering the children of Israel from Pharoah's army who subjected them to slavery and killing their sons, and they were drowned only to save them from that torment. Why you leave that part out? Because most people don't have a problem with killing a murderous oppressor. So you left that out to paint a incomplete picture for the gullible.

Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell

You really went out like a sucker on this one. Nowhere in this passage is the word "Jews" mentioned. Matter of fact, no religious group is mentioned. It specifically speaks of those who reject truth verifying that which they have currently. And it further states that people who say they are afforded Paradise to the exclusion of others. Hell is not mentioned. It only speaks of chastisement or punishment.

28. "Those who swallow usury ... are rightful owners of the Fire." 2:275

You was on some bullshit right here. I guess you didn't want people to see that this is actually being fulfilled right now so you put the ......... Shame on a jigga who try to run game on a nigga.

It reads: Those who consume usury cannot arise except as he arises whom the devil prostrates by his touch. That is because they say Trading is only like usury. And Allah has forbidden usury. Whoever this warning has come to and they cease, they can keep what they gained in the past. His doing are with Allah. Whoever returns to Usury-these are the companions of the fire and they will abide.

As you can see today, Usury has led to the ruin of this once great economic system and the collapse of many financial institutions because of the desire for more and more wealth. Also foreclosures are at an all time High and peoples homes and property are being gobbled up at a record rate. This was planned years in advance. Just like the stock market crash of '29. This will bring about a great transfer of wealth to a select few, who are in a position to take advantage of the situation. People losing their homes, pensions, and savings to people who took advantage of them. I don't have no problem with them being in the fire.

Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19

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This was very strange. I would give you the benefit of the doubt if it was even similar to the passage. But it is not even remotely close. There is no mention of non muslims. There is no mention of punishment for non belief. It only talks about the People of the Book disputing and if they submit to God then they are on the right course and if they don't then all you are responsible for is giving them the word. Instead of copying and pasting you should have taken time to actually read what it says. Then you could at least be semi-literate. Don't you know most religious scholars have an ax to grind so they will make up shit to bolster their belief or as you like to say in the creation/big bang debates fill in the gaps?

78. For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:160-1

Well at least you made a distinction. I give you credit for that. But you still didn't quote it correct. Here is what it actually says: " So for the wrongdoing Jews we have forbidden them the good things which have been made lawful for them, and for them hindering people from the way of God. And for them taking usury and for taking the property of people falsely. And we have prepared for the disbelievers from among them a painful chastisement."

Notice how it makes a distinction of the disbelievers among them? Jews are not disbelievers, nor are Christians if they follow the precepts of their original tradition. They get classified as that when they deviate. This goes for Muslims too.

There are passages in the Quran that state all Jews are not alike some adore God and they will be rewarded. It also says that Christians are near to Muslims because they are humble and not proud. It furthers states in Chapter 5:69 : Those who are Jews, Christians, or Sabeans, - whoever believes in God and the Last day and does good, shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.

This is a state given only to those who enter into the Hereafter. This is mentioned throughout. So your assertion that "Non-Muslims" will be killed and punished is not accurate.

These are just a few I picked out. Believe me I could have picked more. I did this to show ppl that you are really not credible or honest when it comes to matters of contention on religion/spiritual tradition. Because you have an ax to grind and you don't accept the premise of a Creator/Omnipotent God, which I can respect, but when you purposely lie and mislead then it shows your not interested in being objective so..................

 

[Alkindus]

I don;t understand the plight of the ones who do not wish that a mosque is build near ground zero. Do they/you hold people who follow islam responsible for the attacks on the twin towers? Why does there need to be a gay bar to balance and or taunt the mosque visitors?

Do you feel that muslims cannot be part of your society?(whatever you label it) and why?

 

[And Step]

I don;t understand the plight of the ones who do not wish that a mosque is build near ground zero. Do they/you hold people who follow islam responsible for the attacks on the twin towers? Why does there need to be a gay bar to balance and or taunt the mosque visitors?

Do you feel that muslims cannot be part of your society?(whatever you label it) and why?

It's called Hypocrisy and White privilige.

Consider the fact that Whites of Judeo-Chrisitan values stole the land and moved out and slaughtered the original inhabitants of Manhattan, the Lenape, and also infecting them with small pox and other diseases.. They then proceeded to set up Churches and Synagogues all over Manhattan while desecrating Native American traditions, customs, and spiritual sites. Keep in mind Muslims were killed in the WTC, too.

They never hold themselves to the same standard they hold others.

 

[shootemwon]

I'm all for allowing the Mosque and I don't care that it's near ground zero. Now you don't want that gay bar near the mosque. That's the hypocrisy.

 

[supaman4321]

Here's some shit from your awful Quran that shows how savage Islam is:

I didn't ask for your interpretation I asked to post the actual ayat of the Qur'an or the sound hadith of the Prophet (Sallallahu alayhi wassalam) or don't bother you know I know you used those out of context so I don't know what you would hope to accomplish other than making yourself look foolish and ignorant?

CALL THOU (all mankind] unto thy Sustainer's path with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and argue with them in the most kindly manner- for, behold, thy Sustainer knows best as to who strays from His path, and best knows He as to who are the right-guided.

16: 125

I'm not going to stoop to your level, when you can actually back up your claims then I will speak to you otherwise I will hear the "ignore" button

And to shootemwon, how many of those lines did you actually choose to verify for yourself or did the magnitude of ignorance cause you to agree with him?

Wa alaikum

 

[supaman4321]

I'm all for allowing the Mosque and I don't care that it's near ground zero. Now you don't want that gay bar near the mosque. That's the hypocrisy.

What hypocrisy the true believers don't advocate the shedding of innocent blood so that's why we shouldn't have a problem in establishing a mosque near "ground zero" but the true believers don't advocate homosexuality so where is the parity in building a gar bar near the mosque?

and people wonder why we call America a terrorist?

Wa alaikum

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

lol

shit directly from the Quran got posted and all the Muslims could say is "no youre misinterpreting it"

Barbarians, these people.