Muhammad Ali on Interracial Marriage

[playmaker88]

Okay... Lets get taxanomic her for a second. A goose and a penguin aren't the same species. Not only could they not even produce sterile offspring, they couldn't produce offspring period.

Human beings are all one species, the differences are phenotypic. To think we are so different genetically based soley of phenotypic differences is the thinking of an absolute mental midget. Hitler thought it was cool tho. Human beings of all colors are so closely related they can produce viable offspring, not sterile hybrids.

Flocks of birds mixed routinely and is usually to the benefit of both species.

I mean Jesus Christ, have you never looked a bird feeder before?

I agree we're all the same but it doesn't change the fact that it is beneficial to marry within your race

For social issues, bruh.

I'm not debating any of that. I'm just pointing out that Ali's premise of birds never mixing was simply not true.

don't test. @willmunny knowledge of nature. he has his degree and live that shit everyday.

he is what we would call, an expertHuckleberry Finn.

 

[Ioniz3dSPIRITZ]

Any black person who marries outside of the race is a fucking traitor and deserves scaphism

With all the shit black people have been through and still go through how the fuck do you find it in your heart to love some body from our competition? Historically mix breed have been backstabbers who turn against the black race so when you race mix you are creating a potential judas. People who race mix need to at least be shunned.

All you niggers who love white people are siding with the enemy.

co-sign this. I have nothing against mixed race individuals. I even have some in my family. However, race mixing has historically never benefited black people. South Africa during aparthied is a classic example.

This is slowly taking place in America where mixed people are starting to represent all of black people. It isn't them who being gunned down in the streets by their own brothers and trigger happy police. It isn't them who are dropping out of high school at alarming rates. It isn't them who by and large suffer from mass incarceration and unfair sentencing. Notice that whenever a major issue concerning our people is brought up in the media, it is always someone of mixed race who they call to speak on it.

The black man is being phased out and you people don't even see it. In fact you people would rather it be that way because you don't take pride in who you are.

 

[zombie]

@lonious monk you want proof that mulattoes/mixed race people mean black people no good then just look at the modern day socities of latin america. that is what is coming to north america. African americans will be treated like haitians in the dominican republic. This will be the fault of people who think like you.

African american were lighter because the tribes you came from were lighter so even without the white blood you would still have lighter skin than most africans. How do i know this? a significant portion of the slaves who ended up in america came from the igbo tribe and the yoruba tribe of modern day nigeria and these two tribes of people especially the igbo are far from the darkest of african people in fact alot of igbos are red.

You can't compare latin american people to african americans. Latin Americans have a different culture than us. Which is the point here. Culture is more to play in how a person looks at race relations than skin tone. And there is a lot more to the animosity between Dominicans and Haitians than skin tone. Denying history just to make a silly point is pathetic.

Here is a pic of some Yoruba men:

Here is a pic of some Igbo men:

Yes, there is some variation there. Nobody said that all West Africans looked exactly alike or were the color of tar. I said that the variation seen in African Americans can't be explained by what you see from our African lineage, and it can't.

Here is another random pic of African Americans. Once again the variation is much greater than the African samples.

AA's do have mixed blood i understand that but most of you still look mostly african. Those old ladies don't prove much because i can go to nigeria and find old ladies with their skin tone. because of race mixing the united states will become like latin america that is what i am warning african american about, but because so many are starting to think like YOU they refuse to hear. AMERICA is becoming more and more like latin american everyday go to california and the mexicans will shit on you go to florida and the white or mostly white looking cubans will shit on you.

What pathetic is your love of these other races of people who have proven time and time again that they don't like you. You are the only one denying history most so called black slave owners were really mullatoe.

 

[xxCivicxx]

You're not reporting facts. You're making a dumbass generalization based on isolated incidents. Hitler and Hoover? Really? What are they examples of? Both of them are white racially, so what are you even talking about?

Most historians believe that Hitler had a jewish grandparent and J Edgar Hoover had a black grandparent. Interestingly enough, the records that held that kind of information were destroyed right after each came into power(I wonder why). Who did Hitler fuck over the hardest? Who did J Edgar Hoover fuck over the hardest?(If you don't know that answer then we don't need to be having this convo)

Again, you're saying it's always mixed people that do something, and forgetting that the whole reason African Americans are where they are is because of non mixed blacks. No example you've given has been more egregious than facilitating the African Slave Trade.

You are really making me question your intelligence. The whole reason African Americans are where we are is because of WHITES. Whites use a combination of tactics to pull slaves from Africa, and what you just stated was a minor one. There are ALWAYS people willing to sell out their own race for monetary reward, don't act like this is just a black thing. White people brought guns and white Christianity into Africa, the slave trade was going to happen either way. How dare you blame the black race for another race enslaving the black race wtf is wrong with you?

And it's nice that you offering these isolated stories about a mixed traitor here and a mixed traitor there. Do you really think I can't find examples of non mixed people doing the same thing? The Denmark Vesey conspiracy wasn't foiled by mixed people. They were pure blooded slaves and yet they betrayed their brethren to maintain their own standing.

These stories are only isolated to you because you don't know your history. At all. Like I said before, mixed people have largely been kept out of history books. Even when they show up, their mixed heritage is almost always completely downplayed(i.e. Lincoln and Beethoven). I don't see how you bringing up Denmark Vesey refutes what I said. Yes some slaves may or may not have undermined his revolt. What I'm saying is that mixed race people have done this repeatedly, consistently. There's no uncertainty about it. You can't tell me that mixed slave masters weren't some of the harshest around because there are plenty of records from that era that state that exact thing

How a biracial person acts usually has a lot to do with how they are treated.

It has moreso to do with which side of themselves that a biracial person tries to identify with

There are a lot of biracial people, you'd never know were biracial because they've always been accepted by black people and considered themselves black.

Cool

Then you have some that are clearly outside of the community, and that's largely because they've been ostracized and treated poorly by people in the community.

I disagree but ok

And there is the ironic thing about this whole discussion. You look at biracial people as if they are the enemy, when in reality the ones that are the enemy are that way largely because people like you treat them like the enemy from the start.

First of all, you have no idea how I personally treat people in real life, so take that shit somewhere else.

All I did was tell you the role of the biracial person in history. I never said enemy, you did, which means that you read what I said and that was the conclusion that you came to, that biracial people are the enemy. Yet you still choose to deny facts

Why should they have nay loyalty to someone like you? The white people might not accept them, but at least they'll get rewarded in some what going that route. What reason would they have to fight and struggle on your side when all they'll get from you is treated like someone who isn't really down or trust worthy? People like you are why the black community can't rise. What we need is unity, but you guys look for any and every reason to divide.

Rofl and this sentiment right here is exactly why it's so easy for white people to get mixed people to do their bidding. Congrats bro, you're a part of the problem. This whole paragraph is pure ignorance. Me personally? I consider biracial people to be black. Biracial people DO NOT consider themselves black, as made evident by all of the atrocities that they've committed/helped commit throughout history. That's not my fault, and I'm not gonna waste my time trying to convince every mixed person that white people see them as lesser. You clearly have a bias in this discussion, some of the shit that you're saying is straight asinine.

 

[Go figure]

so all the people against interracial pairing, is this solely because of the social construct of race that undermines blacks in most communities because of racism?

 

[Ioniz3dSPIRITZ]

Love who u wany no homo lol. We bleed the same, aint nuttin different but color of skin. No green eyed women for me........now how crazy that sound

lol why must blacks always be the light bearers of multiculturalism. The colorless society you blacks so desperately desire will never happen. You people will slowly fade into non-existence while other cultures and people maintain there sense of identity and continue to thrive.

"What became of the Black People of Sumer?" the traveller asked the old man, "for ancient records show that the people of Sumer were Black. What happened to them?" "Ah", the old man sighed. "They lost their history, so they died." - A Sumer Legend

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I can tell the two apart clearly you cannot i know the difference between a biracial person and a light skinned black person. Your random sampling of africans PROVES NOTHING because it depends on the section of africa that your sample is being taken from. Not all africans are that dark a random sample from nigeria will look different from a random sample from senegal. Have you been to africa? i have and can tell you the difference between the tribes based on how they look.

The whole african americans being lighter than africans thing is mostly bullshit and ignorance coming from people who have never even been outside of america. Most african american are dark brown to black and do not look like the picture you used.

NO it doesn't depend on the section of Africa. That's the point. The Africans that African Americans descend from largely came from a very specific region in Africa. The picture I put up there contains people from various different places in West Africa which is the region we African Americans descend from. You can look at the group and see there are variations and differences between their looks, but if you are really going to try and argue that those people are as varied in appearance as the group of African Americans I posted, then we can stop this discussion now because you're just arguing to argue whether it's supported by reality.

Furthermore, I have been to West Africa and I went to school with many West Africans both in undergrad and grad. So you ain't saying shit to me. Again, if you're really going to act like the variations in phenotypic traits in West Africa is as varied as with African Americans, we can just stop this discussion cause you're lying to yourself. As for your claim that most African Americans are dark brown to black, I'm just going to ignore that because it's nonsense. I grew up around nothing but black people in SC. Went to an HBCU in FL. Did some work as part of a black internship out in Cali. And I now live near DC, a chocolate city. And in every single one of those experiences and in every region I've ever been to, black skin tones have covered a wide spectrum. As a matter of fact it's something that's celebrated within the community. Just look at a black magazine like Essence or Ebony. Frankly, most of the claims you're making aren't based in any truth. You have this skewed perception of reality, and all your arguments are based on that rather than anything that really exists.

You are trying to make it seem as if the picture you presented of african american represent the average skin color for them. i disagree with you MOST AA'S are not that red and most mullatoes are not that dark the picture you put fourth is not a true portrayal of reality.

Are african americans just like africans physically No I NEVER said that or implied it, however you do MOSTLY STILL LOOK AFRICAN. Africans has the greatest amount of phenotypic variations not america americans.

Most african americans come from these groups igbo akan yoruba and smaller amounts of bakongo mandinka and wolof. so pulling at random in west africa IS A bad idea if you want to know where AA'S CAME FROM and what the people they came from looked like. most of you came from nigeria. In fact still to this day most africans look igbo.

I don't feel like arguing this anymore, but I will point out that you are mistaken about what I'm trying to present. I'm not saying most AA's are red. Neither picture I posted supports that. In both pics, there were a couple red, a could dark skinned, and mostly medium brown. That's typical of AAs.

Also, I know you responded in another post but I'm not going point by point anymore. So I'll just say here that I posted pics of Yoruba and Igbo peoples and while there is some variety there, it certainly doesn't compare to what's typically seen in AA's. Again, I'm not saying that AA's are mixed to the extent that people in Latin America are, but we are mixed enough to the point that you can't just make these claims that biracial people are the enemy.

Past that, we can agree to disagree.

 

[zombie]

I can tell the two apart clearly you cannot i know the difference between a biracial person and a light skinned black person. Your random sampling of africans PROVES NOTHING because it depends on the section of africa that your sample is being taken from. Not all africans are that dark a random sample from nigeria will look different from a random sample from senegal. Have you been to africa? i have and can tell you the difference between the tribes based on how they look.

The whole african americans being lighter than africans thing is mostly bullshit and ignorance coming from people who have never even been outside of america. Most african american are dark brown to black and do not look like the picture you used.

NO it doesn't depend on the section of Africa. That's the point. The Africans that African Americans descend from largely came from a very specific region in Africa. The picture I put up there contains people from various different places in West Africa which is the region we African Americans descend from. You can look at the group and see there are variations and differences between their looks, but if you are really going to try and argue that those people are as varied in appearance as the group of African Americans I posted, then we can stop this discussion now because you're just arguing to argue whether it's supported by reality.

Furthermore, I have been to West Africa and I went to school with many West Africans both in undergrad and grad. So you ain't saying shit to me. Again, if you're really going to act like the variations in phenotypic traits in West Africa is as varied as with African Americans, we can just stop this discussion cause you're lying to yourself. As for your claim that most African Americans are dark brown to black, I'm just going to ignore that because it's nonsense. I grew up around nothing but black people in SC. Went to an HBCU in FL. Did some work as part of a black internship out in Cali. And I now live near DC, a chocolate city. And in every single one of those experiences and in every region I've ever been to, black skin tones have covered a wide spectrum. As a matter of fact it's something that's celebrated within the community. Just look at a black magazine like Essence or Ebony. Frankly, most of the claims you're making aren't based in any truth. You have this skewed perception of reality, and all your arguments are based on that rather than anything that really exists.

You are trying to make it seem as if the picture you presented of african american represent the average skin color for them. i disagree with you MOST AA'S are not that red and most mullatoes are not that dark the picture you put fourth is not a true portrayal of reality.

Are african americans just like africans physically No I NEVER said that or implied it, however you do MOSTLY STILL LOOK AFRICAN. Africans has the greatest amount of phenotypic variations not america americans.

Most african americans come from these groups igbo akan yoruba and smaller amounts of bakongo mandinka and wolof. so pulling at random in west africa IS A bad idea if you want to know where AA'S CAME FROM and what the people they came from looked like. most of you came from nigeria. In fact still to this day most africans look igbo.

I don't feel like arguing this anymore, but I will point out that you are mistaken about what I'm trying to present. I'm not saying most AA's are red. Neither picture I posted supports that. In both pics, there were a couple red, a could dark skinned, and mostly medium brown. That's typical of AAs.

Also, I know you responded in another post but I'm not going point by point anymore. So I'll just say here that I posted pics of Yoruba and Igbo peoples and while there is some variety there, it certainly doesn't compare to what's typically seen in AA's. Again, I'm not saying that AA's are mixed to the extent that people in Latin America are, but we are mixed enough to the point that you can't just make these claims that biracial people are the enemy.

Past that, we can agree to disagree.

biracial does not equal black there is a difference and that is part of what you don't understand during slavery in the usa most black slave owners were only half black. therefore i am right when i say mix breeds have a history of being the enemy.

 

[Go figure]

so all the people against interracial pairing, is this solely because of the social construct of race that undermines blacks in most communities because of racism?

and is there any literature on the subject?

 

[xxCivicxx]

so all the people against interracial pairing, is this solely because of the social construct of race that undermines blacks in most communities because of racism?

This is a large part of it for me. Whites created the very idea of race solely so that they could subjugate other races. I think race mixing would have been fine before the rise of imperialist Europe

 

[Go figure]

so all the people against interracial pairing, is this solely because of the social construct of race that undermines blacks in most communities because of racism?

This is a large part of it for me. Whites created the very idea of race solely so that they could subjugate other races. I think race mixing would have been fine before the rise of imperialist Europe

ok then i can see where its coming from and therefore makes more sense bc otherwise science says we are all over 99% the same, biologically speaking. i agree with bolded.

but if thats the large part of it...what else is it?

 

[xxCivicxx]

so all the people against interracial pairing, is this solely because of the social construct of race that undermines blacks in most communities because of racism?

This is a large part of it for me. Whites created the very idea of race solely so that they could subjugate other races. I think race mixing would have been fine before the rise of imperialist Europe

ok then i can see where its coming from and therefore makes more sense bc otherwise science says we are all over 99% the same, biologically speaking. i agree with bolded.

but if thats the large part of it...what else is it?

Most mixed people truly do go through their whole lives with serious identity issues. Then they wind up affecting the world in a negative way

 

[ohhhla]

It depends on who they were raised by

A black parent or white parent.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I can tell the two apart clearly you cannot i know the difference between a biracial person and a light skinned black person. Your random sampling of africans PROVES NOTHING because it depends on the section of africa that your sample is being taken from. Not all africans are that dark a random sample from nigeria will look different from a random sample from senegal. Have you been to africa? i have and can tell you the difference between the tribes based on how they look.

The whole african americans being lighter than africans thing is mostly bullshit and ignorance coming from people who have never even been outside of america. Most african american are dark brown to black and do not look like the picture you used.

NO it doesn't depend on the section of Africa. That's the point. The Africans that African Americans descend from largely came from a very specific region in Africa. The picture I put up there contains people from various different places in West Africa which is the region we African Americans descend from. You can look at the group and see there are variations and differences between their looks, but if you are really going to try and argue that those people are as varied in appearance as the group of African Americans I posted, then we can stop this discussion now because you're just arguing to argue whether it's supported by reality.

Furthermore, I have been to West Africa and I went to school with many West Africans both in undergrad and grad. So you ain't saying shit to me. Again, if you're really going to act like the variations in phenotypic traits in West Africa is as varied as with African Americans, we can just stop this discussion cause you're lying to yourself. As for your claim that most African Americans are dark brown to black, I'm just going to ignore that because it's nonsense. I grew up around nothing but black people in SC. Went to an HBCU in FL. Did some work as part of a black internship out in Cali. And I now live near DC, a chocolate city. And in every single one of those experiences and in every region I've ever been to, black skin tones have covered a wide spectrum. As a matter of fact it's something that's celebrated within the community. Just look at a black magazine like Essence or Ebony. Frankly, most of the claims you're making aren't based in any truth. You have this skewed perception of reality, and all your arguments are based on that rather than anything that really exists.

You are trying to make it seem as if the picture you presented of african american represent the average skin color for them. i disagree with you MOST AA'S are not that red and most mullatoes are not that dark the picture you put fourth is not a true portrayal of reality.

Are african americans just like africans physically No I NEVER said that or implied it, however you do MOSTLY STILL LOOK AFRICAN. Africans has the greatest amount of phenotypic variations not america americans.

Most african americans come from these groups igbo akan yoruba and smaller amounts of bakongo mandinka and wolof. so pulling at random in west africa IS A bad idea if you want to know where AA'S CAME FROM and what the people they came from looked like. most of you came from nigeria. In fact still to this day most africans look igbo.

I don't feel like arguing this anymore, but I will point out that you are mistaken about what I'm trying to present. I'm not saying most AA's are red. Neither picture I posted supports that. In both pics, there were a couple red, a could dark skinned, and mostly medium brown. That's typical of AAs.

Also, I know you responded in another post but I'm not going point by point anymore. So I'll just say here that I posted pics of Yoruba and Igbo peoples and while there is some variety there, it certainly doesn't compare to what's typically seen in AA's. Again, I'm not saying that AA's are mixed to the extent that people in Latin America are, but we are mixed enough to the point that you can't just make these claims that biracial people are the enemy.

Past that, we can agree to disagree.

biracial does not equal black there is a difference and that is part of what you don't understand during slavery in the usa most black slave owners were only half black. therefore i am right when i say mix breeds have a history of being the enemy.

FOH Biracial in this country has always equated to black. It's written in the Constitution for goodness sake. If you're really going to act like biracial people weren't mistreated and disenfranchised in this country, then you're just delusional. Maybe to people like you biracial wasn't equated to black, but America as a country certainly didn't feel that way. Like I said before, this whole "biracial" nonsense just started. I didn't even hear people claiming that until Tiger. Before that everyone that was mixed just considered black. In fact, when I was younger, mixed was almost like an insult. People only called mixed kids "mixed" when they wanted to separate and alienate them. Once again, that only proves that shit goes both ways.

And once again, stop listing crap and claiming it's factual without providing proof. I'm sorry. I can't take your word for it because a lot of the stuff you're saying is flat out wrong. That said, I don't doubt there were a lot of mulattos that were against blacks back then. You're talking about a time where the white man was specifically implementing divide and conquer tactics to keep slaves in line. So sure, I can believe that in the slave days, the children of the Masters had more allegiance to their own family members and the people with the power than the ones out there in the fields. But you can't apply that beyond Reconstruction because the dynamics were completely different. It was no long a Master vs Slave relationship. At that point, it was a Black vs White thing, and as noted before, as far as America was concerned, any black in you, made you black.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

It depends on who they were raised by

A black parent or white parent.

Not really. At least not until recently. Obama was raised by white people mostly around white people, and all he's ever considered himself and all those around him have ever considered him was black.

 

[xxCivicxx]

I can tell the two apart clearly you cannot i know the difference between a biracial person and a light skinned black person. Your random sampling of africans PROVES NOTHING because it depends on the section of africa that your sample is being taken from. Not all africans are that dark a random sample from nigeria will look different from a random sample from senegal. Have you been to africa? i have and can tell you the difference between the tribes based on how they look.

The whole african americans being lighter than africans thing is mostly bullshit and ignorance coming from people who have never even been outside of america. Most african american are dark brown to black and do not look like the picture you used.

NO it doesn't depend on the section of Africa. That's the point. The Africans that African Americans descend from largely came from a very specific region in Africa. The picture I put up there contains people from various different places in West Africa which is the region we African Americans descend from. You can look at the group and see there are variations and differences between their looks, but if you are really going to try and argue that those people are as varied in appearance as the group of African Americans I posted, then we can stop this discussion now because you're just arguing to argue whether it's supported by reality.

Furthermore, I have been to West Africa and I went to school with many West Africans both in undergrad and grad. So you ain't saying shit to me. Again, if you're really going to act like the variations in phenotypic traits in West Africa is as varied as with African Americans, we can just stop this discussion cause you're lying to yourself. As for your claim that most African Americans are dark brown to black, I'm just going to ignore that because it's nonsense. I grew up around nothing but black people in SC. Went to an HBCU in FL. Did some work as part of a black internship out in Cali. And I now live near DC, a chocolate city. And in every single one of those experiences and in every region I've ever been to, black skin tones have covered a wide spectrum. As a matter of fact it's something that's celebrated within the community. Just look at a black magazine like Essence or Ebony. Frankly, most of the claims you're making aren't based in any truth. You have this skewed perception of reality, and all your arguments are based on that rather than anything that really exists.

You are trying to make it seem as if the picture you presented of african american represent the average skin color for them. i disagree with you MOST AA'S are not that red and most mullatoes are not that dark the picture you put fourth is not a true portrayal of reality.

Are african americans just like africans physically No I NEVER said that or implied it, however you do MOSTLY STILL LOOK AFRICAN. Africans has the greatest amount of phenotypic variations not america americans.

Most african americans come from these groups igbo akan yoruba and smaller amounts of bakongo mandinka and wolof. so pulling at random in west africa IS A bad idea if you want to know where AA'S CAME FROM and what the people they came from looked like. most of you came from nigeria. In fact still to this day most africans look igbo.

I don't feel like arguing this anymore, but I will point out that you are mistaken about what I'm trying to present. I'm not saying most AA's are red. Neither picture I posted supports that. In both pics, there were a couple red, a could dark skinned, and mostly medium brown. That's typical of AAs.

Also, I know you responded in another post but I'm not going point by point anymore. So I'll just say here that I posted pics of Yoruba and Igbo peoples and while there is some variety there, it certainly doesn't compare to what's typically seen in AA's. Again, I'm not saying that AA's are mixed to the extent that people in Latin America are, but we are mixed enough to the point that you can't just make these claims that biracial people are the enemy.

Past that, we can agree to disagree.

biracial does not equal black there is a difference and that is part of what you don't understand during slavery in the usa most black slave owners were only half black. therefore i am right when i say mix breeds have a history of being the enemy.

FOH Biracial in this country has always equated to black. It's written in the Constitution for goodness sake. If you're really going to act like biracial people weren't mistreated and disenfranchised in this country, then you're just delusional. Maybe to people like you biracial wasn't equated to black, but America as a country certainly didn't feel that way. Like I said before, this whole "biracial" nonsense just started. I didn't even hear people claiming that until Tiger. Before that everyone that was mixed just considered black. In fact, when I was younger, mixed was almost like an insult. People only called mixed kids "mixed" when they wanted to separate and alienate them. Once again, that only proves that shit goes both ways.

And once again, stop listing crap and claiming it's factual without providing proof. I'm sorry. I can't take your word for it because a lot of the stuff you're saying is flat out wrong. That said, I don't doubt there were a lot of mulattos that were against blacks back then. You're talking about a time where the white man was specifically implementing divide and conquer tactics to keep slaves in line. So sure, I can believe that in the slave days, the children of the Masters had more allegiance to their own family members and the people with the power than the ones out there in the fields. But you can't apply that beyond Reconstruction because the dynamics were completely different. It was no long a Master vs Slave relationship. At that point, it was a Black vs White thing, and as noted before, as far as America was concerned, any black in you, made you black.

Nigga...

You are making my head hurt. You have a lot to learn.

Are you mixed?

 

[zombie]

I can tell the two apart clearly you cannot i know the difference between a biracial person and a light skinned black person. Your random sampling of africans PROVES NOTHING because it depends on the section of africa that your sample is being taken from. Not all africans are that dark a random sample from nigeria will look different from a random sample from senegal. Have you been to africa? i have and can tell you the difference between the tribes based on how they look.

The whole african americans being lighter than africans thing is mostly bullshit and ignorance coming from people who have never even been outside of america. Most african american are dark brown to black and do not look like the picture you used.

NO it doesn't depend on the section of Africa. That's the point. The Africans that African Americans descend from largely came from a very specific region in Africa. The picture I put up there contains people from various different places in West Africa which is the region we African Americans descend from. You can look at the group and see there are variations and differences between their looks, but if you are really going to try and argue that those people are as varied in appearance as the group of African Americans I posted, then we can stop this discussion now because you're just arguing to argue whether it's supported by reality.

Furthermore, I have been to West Africa and I went to school with many West Africans both in undergrad and grad. So you ain't saying shit to me. Again, if you're really going to act like the variations in phenotypic traits in West Africa is as varied as with African Americans, we can just stop this discussion cause you're lying to yourself. As for your claim that most African Americans are dark brown to black, I'm just going to ignore that because it's nonsense. I grew up around nothing but black people in SC. Went to an HBCU in FL. Did some work as part of a black internship out in Cali. And I now live near DC, a chocolate city. And in every single one of those experiences and in every region I've ever been to, black skin tones have covered a wide spectrum. As a matter of fact it's something that's celebrated within the community. Just look at a black magazine like Essence or Ebony. Frankly, most of the claims you're making aren't based in any truth. You have this skewed perception of reality, and all your arguments are based on that rather than anything that really exists.

You are trying to make it seem as if the picture you presented of african american represent the average skin color for them. i disagree with you MOST AA'S are not that red and most mullatoes are not that dark the picture you put fourth is not a true portrayal of reality.

Are african americans just like africans physically No I NEVER said that or implied it, however you do MOSTLY STILL LOOK AFRICAN. Africans has the greatest amount of phenotypic variations not america americans.

Most african americans come from these groups igbo akan yoruba and smaller amounts of bakongo mandinka and wolof. so pulling at random in west africa IS A bad idea if you want to know where AA'S CAME FROM and what the people they came from looked like. most of you came from nigeria. In fact still to this day most africans look igbo.

I don't feel like arguing this anymore, but I will point out that you are mistaken about what I'm trying to present. I'm not saying most AA's are red. Neither picture I posted supports that. In both pics, there were a couple red, a could dark skinned, and mostly medium brown. That's typical of AAs.

Also, I know you responded in another post but I'm not going point by point anymore. So I'll just say here that I posted pics of Yoruba and Igbo peoples and while there is some variety there, it certainly doesn't compare to what's typically seen in AA's. Again, I'm not saying that AA's are mixed to the extent that people in Latin America are, but we are mixed enough to the point that you can't just make these claims that biracial people are the enemy.

Past that, we can agree to disagree.

biracial does not equal black there is a difference and that is part of what you don't understand during slavery in the usa most black slave owners were only half black. therefore i am right when i say mix breeds have a history of being the enemy.

FOH Biracial in this country has always equated to black. It's written in the Constitution for goodness sake. If you're really going to act like biracial people weren't mistreated and disenfranchised in this country, then you're just delusional. Maybe to people like you biracial wasn't equated to black, but America as a country certainly didn't feel that way. Like I said before, this whole "biracial" nonsense just started. I didn't even hear people claiming that until Tiger. Before that everyone that was mixed just considered black. In fact, when I was younger, mixed was almost like an insult. People only called mixed kids "mixed" when they wanted to separate and alienate them. Once again, that only proves that shit goes both ways.

And once again, stop listing crap and claiming it's factual without providing proof. I'm sorry. I can't take your word for it because a lot of the stuff you're saying is flat out wrong. That said, I don't doubt there were a lot of mulattos that were against blacks back then. You're talking about a time where the white man was specifically implementing divide and conquer tactics to keep slaves in line. So sure, I can believe that in the slave days, the children of the Masters had more allegiance to their own family members and the people with the power than the ones out there in the fields. But you can't apply that beyond Reconstruction because the dynamics were completely different. It was no long a Master vs Slave relationship. At that point, it was a Black vs White thing, and as noted before, as far as America was concerned, any black in you, made you black.

Biracial people were called black but they were treated differently than full blacks depending on the era and situation. Yeah they were mistreated and as soon as they got a chance to mistreat other blacks they took it. Like i said most black slave owners were mullatoe. THERE is a difference between mullatoes and lighter skinned blacks you refuse to believe this. A black person having mixed ancestry does not make them biracial. even posy slavery mixed and lighter skinned blacks were considered better by the white social order.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Biracial people were called black but they were treated differently than full blacks depending on the era and situation. Yeah they were mistreated and as soon as they got a chance to mistreat other blacks they took it. Like i said most black slave owners were mullatoe. THERE is a difference between mullatoes and lighter skinned blacks you refuse to believe this. A black person having mixed ancestry does not make them biracial. even posy slavery mixed and lighter skinned blacks were considered better by the white social order.

Yeah, biracial people were treated differently, but that wasn't always a good thing. And there are non-biracial people that betrayed the race when they got the chance too. So what's your point? And again, I'm going to need proof that most black slave owners were mulatto. On top of that, from my readings, a large portion of black slaveowners only owned slaves "on the books." In reality, their "slaves" were family members they bought and gave freedom. So historians typically believe it's difficult to get a fair count of how many true black slave owners there actually were.

And I don't really get the point you're trying to make with the biracial vs light skinned. You acknowledge that they were both considered better by white social order. Even within the black community there existed a complex about them based on skin tone. So where is the big difference you claim exists.

Anyway, I'm going to let you and Civic have this. It's one thing to argue and disagree. That's cool. But both of you are getting condescending with it, which is ridiculous given that you're both just pulling stuff out of your asses and presenting it as fact. Seriously, both of you have claimed something was fact like a dozen times, and I haven't seen one iota of evidence provided suggesting any of it's true. I can claim my shit smells like cherries and act like you're just an ignorant fool because you don't agree. That doesn't change the fact that what I'm saying is complete bullshit and the same goes for pretty much everything you two are saying.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

Nigga...

You are making my head hurt. You have a lot to learn.

Are you mixed?

Yes he is. That's why he's responding with titangraph after titangraph.

 

[zombie]

Biracial people were called black but they were treated differently than full blacks depending on the era and situation. Yeah they were mistreated and as soon as they got a chance to mistreat other blacks they took it. Like i said most black slave owners were mullatoe. THERE is a difference between mullatoes and lighter skinned blacks you refuse to believe this. A black person having mixed ancestry does not make them biracial. even posy slavery mixed and lighter skinned blacks were considered better by the white social order.

Yeah, biracial people were treated differently, but that wasn't always a good thing. And there are non-biracial people that betrayed the race when they got the chance too. So what's your point? And again, I'm going to need proof that most black slave owners were mulatto. On top of that, from my readings, a large portion of black slaveowners only owned slaves "on the books." In reality, their "slaves" were family members they bought and gave freedom. So historians typically believe it's difficult to get a fair count of how many true black slave owners there actually were.

And I don't really get the point you're trying to make with the biracial vs light skinned. You acknowledge that they were both considered better by white social order. Even within the black community there existed a complex about them based on skin tone. So where is the big difference you claim exists.

Anyway, I'm going to let you and Civic have this. It's one thing to argue and disagree. That's cool. But both of you are getting condescending with it, which is ridiculous given that you're both just pulling stuff out of your asses and presenting it as fact. Seriously, both of you have claimed something was fact like a dozen times, and I haven't seen one iota of evidence provided suggesting any of it's true. I can claim my shit smells like cherries and act like you're just an ignorant fool because you don't agree. That doesn't change the fact that what I'm saying is complete bullshit and the same goes for pretty much everything you two are saying.

Any betrayal is bad, no matter who does it that is why race mixing is bad. Light skinned black people don't necessrially have white parents and more times than not they are raised by people who fully consider themselves to be part of the black race. biracial people come from both heritages and either love them both or love only one side. That is what makes dealing with them treacherous.
http://slaverebellion.org/index.php?page=the-black-slave-owners

Like i said earlier when the american mulatoe population begins to get larger they will start considering themselves to be a distinct group and will no longer care about the concerns of black people. This has happened else where in the world and i see no reason why it should not happen right here in america. In england often they don't identify as black/african, in latin america they don't identify as black/african. America will be next it's only a matter of time.

@LONIOUS MONK if you are mixed and can't deal with this i am sorry but it's the truth.