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D0wn;7073841 said:soul rattler;7073785 said:ThirdEyeFive;7073153 said:soul rattler;7073107 said:It's not just Blacks, it's Americans in general.
While the White House introduces plans to reduce the cost of college, perhaps the real question we should be asking is if so many Americans need to go to college.
After all the nearly 19 million 4-year college graduates expected over from 2010 to 2020, according to the NCES, will be disappointed to find only 8.5 million job openings requiring a bachelors degree over the same period, according to the BLS.
Many of those college students would have done better to go to a technical school for better job prospects at lower cost. Those who did go to college had better have put some thought into picking their major.
Below are some charts and tables on college underemployment, published with permission from the Center For College Affordability.
48% of working college graduates are underemployed. This chart will get worse over the next decade.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/rise-of-college-student-underemployment-2013-8
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if you go to CEPR.net and read the article it clearly shows that blacks are at a greater disadvantage.
No shit, they're a racial minority with a history of institutionalized oppression. Of course when the entire country is doing bad, Blacks feel it worse.
My point is, singling out Blacks like they're the only ones underemployed is an illogical fallacy.
My point is, singling out Blacks like they're the only ones committing crime is an illogical fallacy, also.
Yet professional journalism do it time after time.......
This thread never stated Blacks were the only ones Underemployed . Its aboutsoul rattler;7073785 said:a racial minority with a history of institutionalized oppression. when the entire country is doing bad, Blacks feel it worse.
NothingButTheTruth;7072887 said:This is 100% true from my experience. Most to all of the guys in my family have at least 4-year degrees in the technology or engineering field, yet we all had to go through or for the younger ones, are going through some bullshit for our first jobs post-college (underpaid, underemployed or both).
I just look at it this way, companies aren't 'entitled' to give anyone a job, it's up to the candidate to prove his or her worth. We understand the bullshit that we have to go through in this racist ass country, so we come up with a plan to make it work for us and eventually get a position that is worthy of our hard work and intellect.
If you know what you're doing, a foot in the door is all you need to eventually meet your mark.
Kwan Dai;7075104 said:Brothers don't have to be anything if they choose not to. But it would be beneficial if the objective is to compete in a global market. Your response however, is indicative of American ignorance, short sightedness and inferior educational system.
huey;7074420 said:Perhaps they should have found better internships
Darth Sidious;7073004 said:Let's be honest, beyond having the correct credentials and skills for the job post-college, the other half is knowing the right people.
If you keep your network small and the people in that network are 'limited', you could expect poorer results. my first job out of college in IT was because a family member was good friends with the person who did the recruiting for the company I went to work for. I did my first interview with her and that was great, I had several other interviews beyond that but without that first introduction, who knows what would have happened. I did 9 years at that company all told.
If you go to college expecting it to turn in to a high paying job, for god sakes don't major in environmental studies or sociology. If getting a job is the end goal of college, look into what majors are in demand and do some serious self-examination if you are up to the task and work your ass off in school and network!
BOSSExcellence;7073745 said:texas409;7073728 said:The thing about racism and oppression in America is it has always been systematic. They been writing blueprints behind the scenes on how to get over on any race they deem lesser than them
i agree in part..
i say in part cause i dont feel its about race..
but the system is designed for the majority to fail PERIOD..
1CK1S;516044 said:![]()
Going to college is supposed to be the big ticket to a prosperous life, but for minority students, this particular American dream can be very elusive.
In a new study, the Center for Economic Policy and Research finds that recent black college grads (aged 22-27) have an unemployment rate of 12.4 percent. That's over double the number for college grads in the same demographic and it's nearly a threefold increase from pre-Recession levels in 2007.
A whopping 55.9 percent — more than half of black grads — are underemployed, taking jobs far below their education level. "In eight of the thirteen major categories," the researchers write, "black recent college graduates that did find a job were more likely to end up in a job that did not require a four year degree than in one that did." And such jobs, such as those in the restaurant and retail sectors, are increasingly low-paying.
Even black grads entering the science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) fields, where employees are both highly sought and highly paid, suffer a 10 percent unemployment rate and a 32 percent underemployment rate.
Racial discrimination in the labor market, a crappy economy and an unequal playing field are the culprits, according to the authors of the study. They note that "a college degree blunts both these effects relative to young black workers without a degree, but college is not a guarantee against either set."
That's what minority students face if they make it out of college with a degree. Of course, just getting the diploma is tougher if your skin is brown, even when you are highly committed to the task.
According to a recent report issued by the Center for Community College Student Engagement at the University of Texas, black and Latino male students enter community colleges with higher aspirations than those of their white peers, but white men are six times as likely to graduate in three years with a certificate or degree. That happens even though minority men are more engaged than their white counterparts in tutoring, study-skills sessions and other activities that are supposed to be tied to success.
Black students trying to make their way at predominantly white colleges face everything from identity challenges to overt racism. Black men appear to have the most dramatic hurdles: In a much-discussed YouTube video, UCLA student Sy Stokes notes that just 48 black men entered UCLA in fall 2012. And not all of them will graduate. Are we really over 50 years past the Civil Rights Act? Clearly, opportunity is not color-blind either during or after graduation.
THOT PILGRIM;7075625 said:huey;7074420 said:Perhaps they should have found better internships
Co goddamn sign
Plenty of these people don't grind their asses off and start looking for opportunities long before they graduate
mryounggun;7197781 said:1CK1S;516044 said:![]()
Going to college is supposed to be the big ticket to a prosperous life, but for minority students, this particular American dream can be very elusive.
In a new study, the Center for Economic Policy and Research finds that recent black college grads (aged 22-27) have an unemployment rate of 12.4 percent. That's over double the number for college grads in the same demographic and it's nearly a threefold increase from pre-Recession levels in 2007.
A whopping 55.9 percent — more than half of black grads — are underemployed, taking jobs far below their education level. "In eight of the thirteen major categories," the researchers write, "black recent college graduates that did find a job were more likely to end up in a job that did not require a four year degree than in one that did." And such jobs, such as those in the restaurant and retail sectors, are increasingly low-paying.
Even black grads entering the science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) fields, where employees are both highly sought and highly paid, suffer a 10 percent unemployment rate and a 32 percent underemployment rate.
Racial discrimination in the labor market, a crappy economy and an unequal playing field are the culprits, according to the authors of the study. They note that "a college degree blunts both these effects relative to young black workers without a degree, but college is not a guarantee against either set."
That's what minority students face if they make it out of college with a degree. Of course, just getting the diploma is tougher if your skin is brown, even when you are highly committed to the task.
According to a recent report issued by the Center for Community College Student Engagement at the University of Texas, black and Latino male students enter community colleges with higher aspirations than those of their white peers, but white men are six times as likely to graduate in three years with a certificate or degree. That happens even though minority men are more engaged than their white counterparts in tutoring, study-skills sessions and other activities that are supposed to be tied to success.
Black students trying to make their way at predominantly white colleges face everything from identity challenges to overt racism. Black men appear to have the most dramatic hurdles: In a much-discussed YouTube video, UCLA student Sy Stokes notes that just 48 black men entered UCLA in fall 2012. And not all of them will graduate. Are we really over 50 years past the Civil Rights Act? Clearly, opportunity is not color-blind either during or after graduation.
The problem with a lot of college graduates - black, white or whatever - is that they really believe the bolded. It's just flat out not true.
CHICAGO_BREED;7197810 said:mryounggun;7197781 said:1CK1S;516044 said:![]()
Going to college is supposed to be the big ticket to a prosperous life, but for minority students, this particular American dream can be very elusive.
In a new study, the Center for Economic Policy and Research finds that recent black college grads (aged 22-27) have an unemployment rate of 12.4 percent. That's over double the number for college grads in the same demographic and it's nearly a threefold increase from pre-Recession levels in 2007.
A whopping 55.9 percent — more than half of black grads — are underemployed, taking jobs far below their education level. "In eight of the thirteen major categories," the researchers write, "black recent college graduates that did find a job were more likely to end up in a job that did not require a four year degree than in one that did." And such jobs, such as those in the restaurant and retail sectors, are increasingly low-paying.
Even black grads entering the science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) fields, where employees are both highly sought and highly paid, suffer a 10 percent unemployment rate and a 32 percent underemployment rate.
Racial discrimination in the labor market, a crappy economy and an unequal playing field are the culprits, according to the authors of the study. They note that "a college degree blunts both these effects relative to young black workers without a degree, but college is not a guarantee against either set."
That's what minority students face if they make it out of college with a degree. Of course, just getting the diploma is tougher if your skin is brown, even when you are highly committed to the task.
According to a recent report issued by the Center for Community College Student Engagement at the University of Texas, black and Latino male students enter community colleges with higher aspirations than those of their white peers, but white men are six times as likely to graduate in three years with a certificate or degree. That happens even though minority men are more engaged than their white counterparts in tutoring, study-skills sessions and other activities that are supposed to be tied to success.
Black students trying to make their way at predominantly white colleges face everything from identity challenges to overt racism. Black men appear to have the most dramatic hurdles: In a much-discussed YouTube video, UCLA student Sy Stokes notes that just 48 black men entered UCLA in fall 2012. And not all of them will graduate. Are we really over 50 years past the Civil Rights Act? Clearly, opportunity is not color-blind either during or after graduation.
The problem with a lot of college graduates - black, white or whatever - is that they really believe the bolded. It's just flat out not true.
so give me the blueprint then nigga cause i thought it was.
mryounggun;7197847 said:CHICAGO_BREED;7197810 said:mryounggun;7197781 said:1CK1S;516044 said:![]()
Going to college is supposed to be the big ticket to a prosperous life, but for minority students, this particular American dream can be very elusive.
In a new study, the Center for Economic Policy and Research finds that recent black college grads (aged 22-27) have an unemployment rate of 12.4 percent. That's over double the number for college grads in the same demographic and it's nearly a threefold increase from pre-Recession levels in 2007.
A whopping 55.9 percent — more than half of black grads — are underemployed, taking jobs far below their education level. "In eight of the thirteen major categories," the researchers write, "black recent college graduates that did find a job were more likely to end up in a job that did not require a four year degree than in one that did." And such jobs, such as those in the restaurant and retail sectors, are increasingly low-paying.
Even black grads entering the science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) fields, where employees are both highly sought and highly paid, suffer a 10 percent unemployment rate and a 32 percent underemployment rate.
Racial discrimination in the labor market, a crappy economy and an unequal playing field are the culprits, according to the authors of the study. They note that "a college degree blunts both these effects relative to young black workers without a degree, but college is not a guarantee against either set."
That's what minority students face if they make it out of college with a degree. Of course, just getting the diploma is tougher if your skin is brown, even when you are highly committed to the task.
According to a recent report issued by the Center for Community College Student Engagement at the University of Texas, black and Latino male students enter community colleges with higher aspirations than those of their white peers, but white men are six times as likely to graduate in three years with a certificate or degree. That happens even though minority men are more engaged than their white counterparts in tutoring, study-skills sessions and other activities that are supposed to be tied to success.
Black students trying to make their way at predominantly white colleges face everything from identity challenges to overt racism. Black men appear to have the most dramatic hurdles: In a much-discussed YouTube video, UCLA student Sy Stokes notes that just 48 black men entered UCLA in fall 2012. And not all of them will graduate. Are we really over 50 years past the Civil Rights Act? Clearly, opportunity is not color-blind either during or after graduation.
The problem with a lot of college graduates - black, white or whatever - is that they really believe the bolded. It's just flat out not true.
so give me the blueprint then nigga cause i thought it was.
You didn't really think that. You smarter than that, B.
jono;7197883 said:There is no surefire path to success in the United States.
Being an entrepreneur isn't going to guarantee you any success...
Going to college won't guarantee you any success...
Investing won't guarantee you any success...
There is no magic bullet and there are always going to be risks involved, it shouldn't discourage people from trying though.
The problem in America is that we keep being sold that _____ is how you become a happy, successful millionaire and then everyone tries to do it most end up in failure.
Folks have to stop believing in America and start believing in themselves. This country and it's institutions aren't going out of their way to help you, but they can be useful tools if you know how to use them.