Morality

[BiblicalAtheist]

"Shit" in this instance is a broad pronoun that is not restricted to material items. You might not feel a certain kind of way about it emotionally but I dont think youre an ascetic to the point that necessity items being stolen from you wouldnt pose some kind of difficulty/

Mind over matter haven't you said?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

actually you can do a whole lot better than communicate with human beings when you let the word of God speak to you. You don't read the Bible, the Bible reads you and speaks to you through the Holy Spirit! The Creator of this universe speaks loudly my friend. All you have to do is listen.

Yes, I am aware of this DoU.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Energy is life, without it, you wouldn't be here. Energy is light, and darkness. Energy is holy, it doesn't sin. energy is pure, untainted. Energy is good, it it everything!

Just sayin'.

No energy is not life, it isn't holy, it isn't light, it isn't pure.

What your doing is making a "god" of your own imagination because this "god" is the kind of "god" you want to serve and worship. Your doing what mankind has done since the beginning of time, running away from the source of all goodness because you don't want to come His way.

"All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." Isaiah 53:6

Thank God for Jesus Christ! Do you know Him?

 

[VIBE]

Proverbs 6:30-31 [Men] do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry;

But [if] he be found, he shall restore sevenfold; he shall give all the substance of his house.

Beat me to it.

Either THIS or you just revert to eating animals, I dunno. Hunting, fishing etc. I know, if I'm in the 'city' how is that possible. If I'm homeless, I relocate.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

No energy is not life, it isn't holy, it isn't light, it isn't pure.

What your doing is making a "god" of your own imagination because this "god" is the kind of "god" you want to serve and worship. Your doing what mankind has done since the beginning of time, running away from the source of all goodness because you don't want to come His way.



"All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." Isaiah 53:6

Thank God for Jesus Christ! Do you know Him?

Are you kidding me, I haven't said once what god is, because I dare not say what I think god might be.

 

[judahxulu]

Mind over matter haven't you said?

Not in totality. I dont fool with imbalanced religious views. Thought precedes substance not the inverse. On the other hand, there are some substances (i.e. food,clothing,shelter) that are necessary to life. I dont think when "thou shalt not steal" was written that it was referring to unneeded items like a iced out chain or an X-Box. What i understand about the Most High from the Bible and other sources is that we were made spiritual beings that kind of use flesh as a vehicle. That means that both those parts should be cared for in balance. You cant be all up in the clouds on a holy roll and not take care of your physical well being, and on the other hand its not healthy just to stumble through life like the only thing real is that which you can perceive through physical sensation.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Not in totality. I dont fool with imbalanced religious views. Thought precedes substance not the inverse. On the other hand, there are some substances (i.e. food,clothing,shelter) that are necessary to life. I dont think when "thou shalt not steal" was written that it was referring to unneeded items like a iced out chain or an X-Box. What i understand about the Most High from the Bible and other sources is that we were made spiritual beings that kind of use flesh as a vehicle. That means that both those parts should be cared for in balance. You cant be all up in the clouds on a holy roll and not take care of your physical well being, and on the other hand its not healthy just to stumble through life like the only thing real is that which you can perceive through physical sensation.

So would lying also be okay in some instances?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Do Not steal = Do not rob yourself of life, do not take away the time you are given here on Earth. Do not rob yourself of fully using your mind, do not rob your mind of knowledge.

The commandments do not mean what they are taken as by religious folk.

 

[judahxulu]

So would lying also be okay in some instances?

No. Its not alright to steal either but shit happens. But its like anything else with codified forms of morality. You can do it and get away with it and sometimes things would be easier in that moment if you do the wrong thing. But bad things always come back to you. hence, "he shall restore sevenfold' to the hungry thief in Proverbs. Words are energy and can be degenerative or regenerative. Lies are degenerative to the listener and speaker. No big God hand is going to come out of the sky and slap you if you lie, but in essence you slap yourself.

 

[VIBE]

Do Not steal = Do not rob yourself of life, do not take away the time you are given here on Earth. Do not rob yourself of fully using your mind, do not rob your mind of knowledge.

The commandments do not mean what they are taken as by religious folk.

So you think it's okay to steal then?

 

[judahxulu]

Do Not steal = Do not rob yourself of life, do not take away the time you are given here on Earth. Do not rob yourself of fully using your mind, do not rob your mind of knowledge.

The commandments do not mean what they are taken as by religious folk.

Exactly. They are just instructions to help you get along easier in life in the long run and live long. Some stuff has to be understood for what it is in the context of the times they were written in. Most of it is universal though.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

No. Its not alright to steal either but shit happens. But its like anything else with codified forms of morality. You can do it and get away with it and sometimes things would be easier in that moment if you do the wrong thing. But bad things always come back to you. hence, "he shall restore sevenfold' to the hungry thief in Proverbs. Words are energy and can be degenerative or regenerative. Lies are degenerative to the listener and speaker. No big God hand is going to come out of the sky and slap you if you lie, but in essence you slap yourself.

So if it is degenerative, to lie, and I pressume steal as well, and probably murder, to commit adultery etc, we probably should avoid doing any of them like the bubonic plague. Except I guess from what you're saying in such instances when it is necessary to preserve your life.

Couldn't that fit that verse that says those who seek to save their life, will lose it?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

So you think it's okay to steal then?

I have no problem with stealing. I feel we have unlimited rights, no one can tell us what to do. The version of your stealing is man made. I believe if you have the right to steal without guilt, you have the right to suffer the consequences whatever they may be.
An xbox or chain like Judah said is not whats being talked about. You think your God would care if someone stole something that would be considered a sin to have anyway?

The bible and books as the such are not literal homie it's all a made up story but it has a way of living encoded in them. Just as Native Americans and others have stories they tell that are loaded with life lessons and morals.

 

[whar67]

You just cosigned the word of God whar67 when you said "don't be a prick to the person near you", which proves the point of everybody having a God-shaped vacuum in their being. The law of God is written in our hearts, thus the reason why we have a conscience, why we have empathy, why we laugh, etc.

While we disagree on the foundation of morals you asked 'How evolution can explain morals?' There are rather clear scenarios for morals evolving in animals.

We also see 'moral' behaviour in other animals. Herd animals risking their lifes to save a herdmate. Piranhna in a feeding frenzy not eating each other and even adopting a strike and flee model that allows the whole school a chance at food. While morals are vastly more advanced in humans it is clear they can have an evolutionary foundation.

 

[VIBE]

I have no problem with stealing. I feel we have unlimited rights, no one can tell us what to do. The version of your stealing is man made. I believe if you have the right to steal without guilt, you have the right to suffer the consequences whatever they may be.

An xbox or chain like Judah said is not whats being talked about. You think your God would care if someone stole something that would be considered a sin to have anyway?

The bible and books as the such are not literal homie it's all a made up story but it has a way of living encoded in them. Just as Native Americans and others have stories they tell that are loaded with life lessons and morals.

If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox. Steal an animal, pay more for the one you took, that's the punishment. Here clearly shows you that if you steal, you shall repay it back. Therefore it is wrong. That verse you posted in the other thread, about the woman? She was guilty of either cursing or stealing. Which is why she was hiding in the basket.

If we have unlimited rights, no one can tell us what to do then why do we go to jail for stealing? My version of stealing is man made? No, it's God made. What you said in your previous post is right as well. Clearly though, when spoken about in the bible, God speaks about items/property being stolen.

 

[judahxulu]

So if it is degenerative, to lie, and I pressume steal as well, and probably murder, to commit adultery etc, we probably should avoid doing any of them like the bubonic plague. Except I guess from what you're saying in such instances when it is necessary to preserve your life.

Couldn't that fit that verse that says those who seek to save their life, will lose it?

iguees you could make that fit. But basically, yeah.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox. Steal an animal, pay more for the one you took, that's the punishment. Here clearly shows you that if you steal, you shall repay it back. Therefore it is wrong. That verse you posted in the other thread, about the woman? She was guilty of either cursing or stealing. Which is why she was hiding in the basket.

If we have unlimited rights, no one can tell us what to do then why do we go to jail for stealing? My version of stealing is man made? No, it's God made. What you said in your previous post is right as well. Clearly though, when spoken about in the bible, God speaks about items/property being stolen.

To the first part, that is taking it literal and not recieving the acual meaning. You think the bible is based on acual events, real people, telling you what you should do exactly as it's written. It useless to try and explain it because it would take too long for you to get it because want your version of God and your man named Jesus Christ to exist.

As for the second Humans have unlimited rights, in our natural state nothing tells us what to do. We have free will, we are free thinkers, and we are capable of anything. The rights you believe you have are not rights they're privileges and limitations through what a group of men thought was ok to do and ok not to do.

 

[Hyde Parke]

Intention outweighs action, imo. From the perception of the observer on over to the observed.

 

[VIBE]

To the first part, that is taking it literal and not recieving the acual meaning. You think the bible is based on acual events, real people, telling you what you should do exactly as it's written. It useless to try and explain it because it would take too long for you to get it because want your version of God and your man named Jesus Christ to exist.

As for the second Humans have unlimited rights, in our natural state nothing tells us what to do. We have free will, we are free thinkers, and we are capable of anything. The rights you believe you have are not rights they're privileges and limitations through what a group of men thought was ok to do and ok not to do.

Okay, explain it then. It won't take too long, really it won't.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Okay, explain it then. It won't take too long, really it won't.

Read this story

A mouse looked through the crack in the wall to see the farmer and his wife open a package. “What food might this contain?” the mouse wondered. He was devastated to discover it was a mousetrap.

Retreating to the farmyard, the mouse proclaimed the warning: “There is a mousetrap in the house! There is a mousetrap in the house!”

The chicken clucked and scratched, raised her head and said “Mr. Mouse, I can tell this is a grave concern to you, but it is of no consequence to me. I cannot be bothered by it.”

The mouse turned to the pig and told him “There is a mousetrap in the house! There is a mousetrap in the house!” The pig sympathized, but said “I am so very sorry, Mr. Mouse, but there is nothing I can do about it but pray. Be assured you are in my prayers.”

The mouse turned to the cow and said “There is a mousetrap in the house! There is a mousetrap in the house!” The cow said “Wow, Mr. Mouse. I’m sorry for you, but it’s no skin off my nose.”

So, the mouse returned to the house, head down and dejected, to face the farmer’s mousetrap alone.

That very night a sound was heard throughout the house – like the sound of a mousetrap catching its prey. The farmer’s wife rushed to see what was caught. In the darkness, she did not see it was a venomous snake whose tail the trap had caught. The snake bit the farmer’s wife. The farmer rushed her to the hospital and she returned home with a fever.

Everyone knows you treat a fever with fresh chicken soup, so the farmer took his hatchet to the farmyard for the soup’s main ingredient. But his wife’s sickness continued, so friends and neighbors came to sit with her around the clock. To feed them, the farmer butchered the pig. The farmer’s wife did not get well; she died. So many! people came for her funeral, the farmer had the cow slaughtered to provide enough meat for all of them.

The mouse looked upon it all from his crack in the wall with great sadness. So, the next time you hear someone is facing a problem and think it doesn’t concern you, remember: when one of us is threatened, we are all at risk. We are all involved in this journey called life. We must keep an eye out for one another and make an extra effort to encourage one another. Each of us is a vital thread in another person’s tapestry.


Now, to explain what you are doing. If you take the mouse in this story, you replace him with a human or something man like, and you replace things that seem silly and replace them with things we do and know, and you have the bible. It's main purpose is to teach morals, to teach a way of living, to teach self respect and discipline. What has happened, is people who wrote it didn't anticipate people taking it so literal. So what happens is because they made it a story of men and things we know people have over time mistaken it for being a true story rather than a fairy tale with an underlying meaning.